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Apache VS MI 28 Havoc

do you know how many countries uses Mi 35 of russia and how many countries uses cobra u will see the difference czesh republic easily can buy cobras but they went with mi 35 why are they made cobra is light weight very good helicopter no doubt weapons which it carrries anti tank TOW it can not panetrate the armour of T 90 tank and i think future generation of attack helicopters should be buyed to fight against lattest tanks in war why usa hugely buys apaches not cobras infact usa will phase them out untill 2015 so please use your mind fighting with terrorist cobra is lethel even in war too but it does not have compitable fire power of weapons liks of hellfire missile, and its rotary makes too much noise too so enemy can know what coming to their way in apache and havoc blades 70% more silent than cobras,Near Real-Time situational awareness schematic,


these things dont have in cobra

Are you out of your head? Who said anything about the MI-35? We're talking about MI-28. Currently, Only RUSSIA operates the Havoc. Future operators would be only Venezuela and Turkey. Those are LIMITED users. Turkey is going to mass produce the ATAK. Secondly, I belong to an "Army Aviation" Family. A lot of base commanders are from my khandaan so trust me, I know what I'm talking about. Now, before you start spewing crap about how we should procure MI-28, I must tell you that it's NOT on the table YET. Simply because it hasn't been offered to us yet and neither do we plan to procure them. Secondly, Primary function of an attack helicopter is mostly for Anti-Tank missions. And we have the Cobra for that and our Baktar-Shikan's are capable of operating AT missions Day and NIGHT.

And yes, it can penetrate ANY tank armour out there. So your claims of Cobra not capable enough to penetrate T-90's armour is total Bullsh!t. If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have adopted Baktar-Shikan as our front line AT system to counter the Indian armour.

Now about your "70% more silent blades" obsession, Our cobra's are meant to move in with the ARMOURED corp in case of a war. Stealth is NOT our first priority for that case because in all out conflicts, you work together with the Tanks instead of relying on stealth and hiding behind bushes. You should visit Multan sometime and I'd take you to a Battle inoculation and show you how they work.

You're SO obsessed with the Apache and MI-28 but you fail to realize that we need A LOT of money for them. Which unfortunately we don't have. Our current Cobra fleet is capable enough. And by the way, Super Cobra has been considered by the TOP aviation brass at one time for the role of AT helicopter in the future simply because it would suite us MORE than procuring a completely new platform. Yes, You heard it from me. But we will end up getting the ATAK A-129.

Get the MI-28 out of your head. And stop acting so juvenile. The Army isn't waiting for your "Dream helicopter Plans" to take under consideration.
 
so they are waiting for your dream helicopters

Are you an Imbecile? Did I just waste my time composing the previous message? I JUST told you what the Aviation will go for according to their requirements and budget. I also gave you an "official" reference in there regarding "Super Cobra" and if it's been discussed before. It really is useless to argue with you.

Cheers!
 
so why you are arguing if you think your time has been wasted dont post when you dont respect any of your mate please for good sake dont reply i dont need reply from you thanks if you do that
 
BOEING AH-64 APACHE - Jane's Air Forces News
Additional four AH-64A requested by Greece in second quarter of 1999 at estimated cost of US$111 million, including spares, technical support and HADSS.
Egyptian Lot 2 request costed at US$318 million for 12 Apaches plus four spare Hellfire launchers, thirty-four 70 mm (2.75 in) rocket launchers, six spare T700 engines, one spare TADS/PNVS system and miscellaneous spares. Planned sale to Kuwait of 16 AH-64Ds valued at US$800 million, including weapons, spares and support services.

111 million divided by 4 = 27.8 million dollars for each AH-64A.
800 million divided by 16 = 50 million US dollars for each AH-64 longbow

AH-1
10 million dollars for each Super Cobra.

40 MILLION DIFFERENCE. PA can buy FIVE Super Cobra for each longbow.
Super Falcon (Super Fool may be more accurate) do you still think Pak should buy Longbow? Stop arguing with Bezerk if you don't know anything.

Bezerk, on wikipedia it says Atak costs 63 million dollars, isn't that too expensive as well?
 
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Bezerk, on wikipedia it says Atak costs 63 million dollars, isn't that too expensive as well?

Yes it is. I think after Turkey starts building their own modified versions, they might come up with a cheaper version for export, as it's a part of their deal. But as I said, we MIGHT go for them, depending on what turkey has to offer for our requirements.

And I'd suggest not to argue with Superfalcon. He's delusional that we would buy the MI-28. :lol:
 
May be the first ATAK helicopter are a bit expensive for the Turkey. In the price are technology transfer and build of the production facility. I think after the serial production, the priced will be far below other Helicopters.
 
so why buy expansive submarine buy old U 209 why waste money and stop saying superfool to me i hope administator should look at it so why buy expansive awacs please use your head
 
Well after lot of research MI 28 is hell of a machine against Apache it is real killing thing
 
Well after lot of research MI 28 is hell of a machine against Apache it is real killing thing

guess what we Indians are already in process of getting 22 apaches + IA is very much interested in having its own offensive air arm spearheaded by apaches and they may go for 22 for owr eastern front + 22 more are also on cards for the wetern front backed by at least 150 LCH :taz:
 
guess what we Indians are already in process of getting 22 apaches + IA is very much interested in having its own offensive air arm spearheaded by apaches and they may go for 22 for owr eastern front + 22 more are also on cards for the wetern front backed by at least 150 LCH :taz:

180 LCHs actually. 115 Army orders and 65 IAF orders confirmed.

May be the first ATAK helicopter are a bit expensive for the Turkey. In the price are technology transfer and build of the production facility. I think after the serial production, the priced will be far below other Helicopters.

Increase the number of orders domestically. Your economy is strong and your military is having a demand for gunships. If you double your demand, you will have a lethal army aviation wing which will not only spell hell for PKK but also make you a leading military power in NATO.

Other than that, you can always scout around for orders. Surely a lot of countries may be interested in it.
 
The Comanche RAH-66 reconnaissance and attack helicopter was being developed by Boeing and Sikorsky for the US Army. The first flight of the Comanche took place on 4 January 1996. The programme entered engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) in June 2000, which required the construction of nine aircraft in addition to the two prototypes by 2006.

Critical design review of the overall weapon system was completed in June 2003 and was to be followed by low rate initial production of 78 helicopters in three batches in 2007.

"The Comanche RAH-66 reconnaissance and attack helicopter was being developed for the US Army."In February 2004, the US Army announced that it planned to cancel further research, development and planned purchases of the RAH-66 Comanche stealth helicopter. It believed that the helicopter would not meet the requirements of changing operational environments.

An amendment to congress was submitted for the 2005 budget request that would allow the Army to terminate the Comanche programme and reallocate funds to restructure Army aviation programmes. The Army planned to buy approximately 800 more aircraft and upgrade another 400 with the diverted Comanche funds.

The armed reconnaissance block I version was scheduled for initial operating capability in 2009 and heavy attack block II version in 2011. The US Army requirement was for 650 Comanche helicopters.

Production of the Comanche would have taken place at Sikorsky's site in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Boeing was responsible for manufacturing and assembling the composite tail section and rotor blades and Sikorsky for manufacture of the main fuselage and gearbox and for integration and final assembly of the airframe.

In an armed reconnaissance mission, Comanche can recognise and identify targets and digitally transmit the information to the battlefield commander in near real-time, select the optimum force deployment and co-ordinate the attack.

Comanche design

The airframe is crashworthy and ballistically tolerant to 23mm gunfire. The radar cross section has been minimised, primarily by the precisely shaped fuselage and internal weapons configuration.

The helicopter has a composite five-bladed bearingless main rotor and an enclosed composite fantail tailrotor for increased anti-torque capability. The rear rotor is able to withstand impact by 12.7mm rounds and provides a 180° turn in 4.7 seconds in hover mode and an 80kt snap-turn-to-target in 4.5 seconds.

Cockpit

The Comanche has two identical cockpits for the pilot and the co-pilot, which are sealed and have a positive pressure air system for protection against chemical and biological warfare. The fly-by-wire flight control system is triple redundant.

"In 2004, the
US Army announced plans to cancel the RAH-66 Comanche helicopter programme."The cockpit is fitted with a pilot's night-vision system from Lockheed Martin and the pilots have a wide field of view (35° × 52°) Kaiser Electronics helmet-integrated display sighting system (HIDSS). HIDSS employs active matrix liquid crystal display (AMLCD) technology. The targets are designated and the weapons fired from collective and sidestick control push buttons.

Each integrated cockpit has Harris Corp. flat screen liquid crystal displays, a colour display for a digital moving map system, tactical situation and night operation display.

Northrop Grumman provided the Comanche's integrated communications, navigation and identification (CNI) suite. The CNI suite will feature secure multi-wave, multiband multimode wireless communications, Link 16, satellite communications and enhanced position locating reporting system (EPLRS) via the tactical internet.

Weapons

The Comanche carries its weapons internally and has a weapons bay on each side of the fuselage. The missiles are mounted on the weapon bay doors which open sideways. The internal weapon bay can be fitted with Stinger, Starstreak or Mistral air-to-air missiles; TOW II, Hot II or Longbow Hellfire air-to-ground missiles; Sura D 81mm, Snora 81mm, Hydra 70 rockets; or the army counter air weapon system.

The number of missiles on each door mounting varies, for example each door will hold three Hellfire or six Stinger missiles. The helicopter can be reconfigured with optional stub wings fitted with multiple weapon pylons which carry an additional four Hellfire or eight Stinger missiles.

The Comanche is equipped with a turreted gun system from General Dynamics Armament Systems. The stowable externally-powered three-barrel 20mm Gatling gun is capable of firing 750 or 1,500 rounds a minute. The gun is mounted on a Giat composite turret (weighing 127kg) under the nose of the helicopter. The 500 round ammunition supply system can be reloaded in less than eight minutes by two crew members.

Countermeasures

The helicopter countermeasures suite includes an AN/AVR-2A(V) advanced laser warning receiver from Goodrich Electro-Optical Systems (formerly Raytheon) of Danbury, Connecticut and the ITT AN/ALQ-211 SIRCM (suite of integrated radio frequency countermeasures) suite, as well as infrared jammers.

Fire control and observation

The Comanche is equipped with a suite of passive sensors and a computer-aided Northrop Grumman mission planning system, which carries out sensor data fusion, high-speed analysis and correlation of the sensor data. Northrop Grumman TASS (target acquisition system software) functions include automatic target tracking and target threat management. The analysed data is presented to the crew in the cockpit displays or transmitted to other elements of the force, providing direct relay of near real time intelligence.

Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has developed the EOSS (electro-optics sensor system) which comprises: EOTADS target acquisition and designation system, including solid-state TV sensor, two-colour laser rangefinder / designator and second-generation focal plane array long-wave FLIR (forward-looking infrared); and NVPS night-vision pilotage system with a second FLIR. The first complete EOSS system was delivered in June 2003.

The Comanche will be fitted with a fire control radar (based on the Longbow millimetre wave radar on the AH-64D Apache helicopter) being developed by Northrop Grumman Land Combat Systems and Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control.

"The Comanche is equipped with two T-800-LHT-801 turboshaft engines."Navigation and communications

The helicopter has a global positioning system, a radar altimeter and an attitude heading reference system (AHRS) from Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton).

It is equipped with an identification friend or foe (IFF) interrogator and a dual jam resistant VHF-FM / UHF-AM Have Quick tactical communications system.

Engines

The Comanche is equipped with two T-800-LHT-801 turboshaft engines from LHTec with a maximum rated power of 1,563shp each. The internal fuel capacity of the helicopter is 1,142l.


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The Comanche RAH-66 reconnaissance and attack helicopter.

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The Boeing-Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche.

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Comanche on exercise.

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The Comanche is equipped with a stowable three-barrel 20mm gatling gun from General Electric.

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The missiles are mounted on the weapon bay doors which open sideways.

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The RAH-66 Comanche is almost four times less easy to observe and sign times quieter than the Longbow Apache.

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Comanche in desert livery.

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Comanche cockpit interior.

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All Comanche maintenance areas are easily accessible without the use of ladders or stands.

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Due to that IAF and IA is looking to get 100++ Apache as well as other US equipment like Black Hawks and Chinooks too... Don't know anything about V-22 Osprey????
 
MI-28 tough guy very lethal, Apache sophisticated and more efficient.
 
Due to that IAF and IA is looking to get 100++ Apache as well as other US equipment like Black Hawks and Chinooks too... Don't know anything about V-22 Osprey????
wrong again sir IAF is getting 22 apaches as replacement for its fleet of Mil 25 & 35 Hinds
IA on the other hand is pushing for 44 apaches for its offensive air arm and there is no need to add more as we already are getting 115 LCH for army & 65 LCH for the IAF

blak hawk is anot an option as we already have ALH & Rudras for the same


as for chinooks that was basically to clear sales of some other equipment form USA

as for V22 well i guess its no again
 
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