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AP Exclusive: Draft agreement cuts Iran's nuclear hardware

Draft agreement cuts Iran’s nuclear hardware - The Hindu
LAUSANNE, Switzerland, March 20, 2015

Iran's Foreign Minister Javad Zarif (cemtre on left) and head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran Ali Akbar Salehi (centre on right) talk outside with aides after a morning negotiation session with United States Secretary of State John Kerry over Iran's nuclear program in Lausanne on March 19, 2015.
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In return, the Iranians would get quick relief from some crippling economic sanctions and a partial lift of a U.N. embargo on conventional arms.
The United States and Iran are drafting elements of a nuclear deal that commits Tehran to a 40-per-cent cut in the number of machines it could use to make an atomic bomb, officials told The Associated Press on Thursday. In return, the Iranians would get quick relief from some crippling economic sanctions and a partial lift of a U.N. embargo on conventional arms.

Agreement on Iran’s uranium enrichment programme could signal a breakthrough for a larger deal aimed at containing the Islamic Republic’s nuclear activities.

The sides are racing to meet a March 31 deadline for a framework pact and a full agreement by the end of June even as the U.S. Congress keeps up pressure on the administration to avoid any agreement leaving Iran with an avenue to become a nuclear power.

Officials said the tentative deal imposes at least a decade of new limits on the number of centrifuges Iran can operate to enrich uranium, a process that can lead to nuclear weapons-grade material. The sides are zeroing in on a cap of 6,000 centrifuges, officials said, down from the 6,500 they spoke of in recent weeks.

That’s also fewer than the 10,000 such machines Tehran now runs, yet substantially more than the 500 to 1,500 that Washington originally wanted as a ceiling. Only a year ago, U.S. officials floated 4,000 as a possible compromise.

But U.S. officials insist the focus on centrifuge numbers alone misses the point. Combined with other restrictions on enrichment levels and the types of centrifuges Iran can use, Washington believes it can extend the time Tehran would need to produce a nuclear weapon to at least a year.

Right now, Iran would require only two to three months to amass enough material to make a bomb.

President Barack Obama appealed directly to Iranian citizens in a message commemorating Nowruz, the Persian New Year.

“Our negotiations have made progress, but gaps remain,” Mr. Obama said on Thursday in a video message posted online.

“If Iran’s leaders can agree to a reasonable deal, it can lead to a better path the path of greater opportunities for the Iranian people,” he said.

The pressure in Congress on the administration over Iran remained intense, with the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee saying he would move ahead with legislation giving lawmakers a say over any nuclear deal. And 360 House Republicans and Democrats -- more than enough to override any presidential veto -- sent a letter to Mr. Obama saying if an agreement is reached, Congress will decide on easing sanctions it has imposed.

“Congress must be convinced that its terms foreclose any pathway to a bomb, and only then will Congress be able to consider permanent sanctions relief,” the lawmakers wrote.

Rep. Eliot Engel of New York, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told administration officials at a hearing on Thursday that Congress cannot be marginalised and “any attempts to sidestep Congress will be resisted on both sides of the aisle.”

The one-year breakout time has become a point the Obama administration is reluctant to cross in the set of highly technical talks, and that bare minimum would be maintained for 10 years as part of the draft deal. After that, the restrictions would be slowly eased. The total length of the deal would be at least 15 years, possibly 20.

As part of the agreement, punitive U.S. economic sanctions would be phased out over time. President Barack Obama has the authority to eliminate some measures immediately, and others would be suspended as Iran confirms its compliance over time. Some sanctions would be held to the later years of the deal, while a last set would require a highly skeptical U.S. Congress to change laws.

Although time periods, centrifuge caps and sanctions schedules have previously been discussed, most of the specifics divulged by the officials were new. They demanded anonymity because they weren’t authorised to speak publicly on the confidential talks.

Iran insists its programme is solely for peaceful energy, medical and research purposes, though many governments believe it has nuclear weapons ambitions.

It’s unclear how complete the draft is. Iran’s deeply buried underground enrichment plant remains a problem, officials said, with Washington demanding the facility be repurposed and Tehran insisting it be able to run hundreds of centrifuges there. Iran says it wants to use the machines for scientific research; the Americans fear they could be quickly retooled for enrichment.

A planned heavy water reactor will be re-engineered to produce much less plutonium than originally envisioned, relieving concerns that it could be an alternative pathway to a bomb.

Any March framework agreement is unlikely to constrain Iran’s missile programme, which the United States believes may ultimately be aimed at creating delivery systems for nuclear warheads. Diplomats say that as the talks move to a deadline, the Iranians continue to insist that missile curbs are not up for discussion.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif met for the fourth straight day Thursday.

“We are pushing some tough issues,” Kerry said after a morning meeting. “But we made progress.”

The talks formally remain between the Iran and six powers, but Kerry and Zarif have done most of the heavy lifting in recent months.

If a deal is reached, officials say various layers of U.N. sanctions on Iran will be eased. That would include parts of the U.N. arms embargo that Russia and China want to ease within weeks of a full accord. Some restrictions would stay in place, however, such as on the transfer of missile technology.

After the deal expires, Iran could theoretically ramp up enrichment to whatever level or volume it wants.

Iran already can produce the equivalent of one weapon’s worth of enriched uranium with the centrifuges it now runs. However, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, spoke of eventually operating enough centrifuges to produce what 190,000 of its current models churn out.
 
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do not worry
let Ruhani expose itself .
after Ruhani his reach his end of 3 years presidency i think finally the so called reforms camp will reach it end of political life


please keep in your mind what is this so called nuclear negotiations are for in our point of view .
the negotiations are for so for once for all to resolve the wet dream of that we can resolve our problem with west and we can reach trust and settlement once for all . internally NOT externally .

once Ruhani could not achieve what internally the debate will come to end

But things aren't that simple ...

آمریکایی ها احمق نیستند ... مارو با توافق به دام خواهند انداخت

فکر کردی به همین راحتی میشه فرار کرد !؟

ما به عنوان عامل شکست شناخته میشیم

امکان نداره بشه بدون ساختن بمب و نمایش قارچ اتمی موفق شد
 
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Yeah I mean chaale meydoon culture of ahmadinejad . sth like these :
شما چی کی هستین ؟ شما چی چی هستین ؟ گنده تر از شما هم هیچ غلطی نمی تونه بکنه
قطع نامه ها و تحریم هاتون کاغذ پاره ای بیش نیست
هلوکاست یک افسانه ی ساختگیست
چیزی به پایان حیات ننگین اسرائیل باقی نمونده
اسرائیل این غده ی سرطانی باید از نقشه محو بشه
ترمز هسته ای را کندیم انداختیم دور
به غربی ها اعلام می کنم اون ممه رو لولو ؟؟؟برررررررررررد
همین انگلیس مگه چیه ؟ جزیره ای در غرب آفریقا

ok aghajoon aslan mikhay esrayilo ba khak yeksaan koni ?? harfi nist ( masalaaaaan ) faghat shut up and make the bomb then rajaz bekhoon. :lol: valla hitler ham aval ghodrat gereft bad jang rah endaakht bar aksesh faghat khod zani hast . :suicide2:
I can answer all of your lines. show you who has talked and is talking chellemiduni and for whom.
but here we are discussing about our future, not Ahmadinejad.

let me know, what was our reward for suspending our nuclear activities for 2 years?
and why you think they wont answer the same way again after 10 years?
what if after this period they refused to give us the nuclear fuel? what's your answer for people who want to turn their light on during the night? what's your answer for people who will lose their job because of lack of electricity? what do you do for collapsing economy after collapsing of industry? seriously, what's your answer for angry people.
I guess gently saying "they cheated us again (this part will be censored : and we were dumb enough to be fooled for the third time)", gently of course as you like it.
 
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I think the biggest reason to start the nuclear program was to have something we could pressure the West with. With or without nuclear program the West was going to sanction us. But with a nuclear program we had something to pressure them to stop a sanctions. I think this was a long planned idea from the iranian government.
Nomination for the most retard post of the year, granted.
 
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do not worry
let Ruhani expose itself .
after Ruhani his reach his end of 3 years presidency i think finally the so called reforms camp will reach it end of political life


please keep in your mind what is this so called nuclear negotiations are for in our point of view .
the negotiations are for so for once for all to resolve the wet dream of that we can resolve our problem with west and we can reach trust and settlement once for all . internally NOT externally .

once Ruhani could not achieve what he thinks he is going to get
. then for one for all the internally the debate will come to end

If a nuclear deal is reached and the santions on Iran get lifted, then Rouhani will become very popular among ordinary Iranians.
I would then expect the reformists to become more dominant actor in Iranian politics.
 
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But things aren't that simple ...

آمریکایی ها احمق نیستند ... مارو با توافق به دام خواهند انداخت

فکر کردی به همین راحتی میشه فرار کرد !؟

ما به عنوان عامل شکست شناخته میشیم

well we wait . neither i or you going to leave this forum we both will be here

I can answer all of your lines. show you who has talked and is talking chellemiduni and for whom.
but here we are discussing about our future, not Ahmadinejad.

let me know, what was our reward for suspending our nuclear activities for 2 years?
and why you think they wont answer the same way again after 10 years?
what if after this period they refused to give us the nuclear fuel? what's your answer for people who want to turn their light on during the night? what's your answer for people who will lose their job because of lack of electricity? what do you do for collapsing economy after collapsing of industry? seriously, what's your answer for angry people.
I guess gently saying "they cheated us again (this part will be censored : and we were dumb enough to be fooled for the third time)", gently of course as you like it.
may brother be patience
 
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rahi jan age mardom in mamlekat mitoonestan fekr konan ma alan vazemoon in nabood.
mardome in mamlekat mitoonan fekr konan, vali mesle shoma fekr nemikonan.
I think our bushehr reactor is running with russian fuel . isn't it ? . producing nuclear fuel for iran is 20 times more expensive . and remember we don't have enough uranium mines inside the country . soon or later we have to get it from outside.. (then it becomes 30 times more expensive ) .

Uranium reserves map
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@@mohsen jan . you really think all these nuclear program is just for producing fuel for reactors ??? Just for future energy ? Wow great . Such a clever nation . We care about our future . wow . that's why we are loosing all of our water resources all these lakes like urumia or rivers..zayande roud.. etc ?? That's because we care about our future ??

I know. Iran doesn't want a bomb But wants the ability to make some in any time . But thinking about " producing fuel for reactors with the uranium mines that we don't have while it's 20 times more expensive " sounds a little funny . Even some of the countries with nuclear weapons buy their fuel... So please don't tell me that we are destroying all of the country because we care about our future energy issues .

Na hala khodemoonim khoda vakili fek mikoni enghad pishrafte hastim o mesle japan ayande negari darim ke in ghaziye hasteyi ro bara tamine sookhte ayandegan alam kardim ??? ye negah be oon naghsheye zakhaayere uranium bendaz . ba'dam too poste ghabli goftam mohsen jan in mahdoodiatha bara chand saale faghat. bazdarandegi ham dar hadde tavaane saakhte 1 bomb dar arze 1 saal baghi mimoone va ba'd az chand saal mishe bedoone mahdoodiat edaame daad .
Russia sold their top offensive weapons to us after Iran-Iraq war, yet the same ones refused to give us the defensive weapon, just 5 years ago. when you rely on foreign country, then you should know any moment they may sell you for a good price. today even shutting down the Bushehr reactor isn't important,but in the future when we build more, when the world faced the energy crisis, it will become a critical matter, in that time, our enemies will pay any price to Russians to attract their cooperation.

don't worry about Uranium reserves, Iran is a mineral-rich country, Uranium is not an exception.
that outdated statistic just shows the amount of discovered and disclosed Uranium mines, not the actual reserves.
even at the time of publishing your statistics were outdated:
Iran's uranium reserves inexhaustible

also while Iran is underdeveloped in mining, meaning that there are many undiscovered mines, yet even information about the discovered ones are classified, some like this unique mine which they didn't disclosed any other info about it:
discovery of high density uranium mines in iran

if caring about our most strategic issues in the future (like energy crisis) seems unbelievable and funny to you, then I can't do anything about it. good luck with your conspiracy theories.
 
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i heard on France24 that this agreement on the new year will effectively post-pone any serious nuclear work for another 50 years ! That's what i call futuristic !
 
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false news, Iran wont accept any limitations beyond NPT, unless all sanctions are removed.
Iran already accepted limitations beyond NPT during the last negotiation round with Brazil and Turkey. This time the agreement will be on a tighter set of limitations.

Well. you need 25 kg of enriched uranium to make a 20 - 40 kiloton uranium nuclear bomb ( not plutonium type ) . ~6000 Separative work units ( SWU ) is enough to produce 25 kg of weapons grade uranium (enriched to about 90% U-235 ) in 12 months . And each IR-1 centrifuge is 1 SWU . In other words " 6000 Ir-1 Centrifuges " Means a one year nuclear break-out time ( Breakout time measures the time needed to build a nuclear weapon ) capable of making a bomb for each year .
The US is not stupid. When they say they aim for one year break out time, they actually do it for 5 or 10.
 
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Iran has already accepted limitations beyond the NPT agreement. @mohsen you're not in a position of power. You brought yourselves to this junction. You're still talking smack like mad man.

Also nobody is negotiating over complete and instant sanction removal. It's not even in the books, so why are you guys asking for it? Gradual sanctions relief is what's being discussed. I hope your leaders are smarter than you lot. If this doesn't pan out, every single relief you've received over the past year will be taken away and the sanction will only get worse. Next stop is an embargo and even war once a Republican president comes to power. All over a bunch of 1970's era piece of shit 2 dollar centrifuge. At least make a nuke while you're at it. All this misery and self harm for literally nothing to show for it.
 
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I think our bushehr reactor is running with russian fuel . isn't it ? . producing nuclear fuel for iran is 20 times more expensive . and remember we don't have enough uranium mines inside the country . soon or later we have to get it from outside.. (then it becomes 30 times more expensive ) .

Uranium reserves map
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And what's your answer for war or an economy not better than North Korea ? what's your answer for so many factories that f...ed up after 3000t dollar ? what's your answer for the poverty and so many workers who lost their jobs in these 2- 3 years ?

@mohsen jan . you really think all these nuclear program is just for producing fuel for reactors ??? Just for future energy ? Wow great . Such a clever nation . We care about our future . wow . that's why we are loosing all of our water resources all these lakes like urumia or rivers..zayande roud.. etc ?? That's because we care about our future ??

I know. Iran doesn't want a bomb But wants the ability to make some in any time . But thinking about " producing fuel for reactors with the uranium mines that we don't have while it's 20 times more expensive " sounds a little funny . Even some of the countries with nuclear weapons buy their fuel... So please don't tell me that we are destroying all of the country because we care about our future energy issues .

Na hala khodemoonim khoda vakili fek mikoni enghad pishrafte hastim o mesle japan ayande negari darim ke in ghaziye hasteyi ro bara tamine sookhte ayandegan alam kardim ??? ye negah be oon naghsheye zakhaayere uranium bendaz . ba'dam too poste ghabli goftam mohsen jan in mahdoodiatha bara chand saale faghat. bazdarandegi ham dar hadde tavaane saakhte 1 bomb dar arze 1 saal baghi mimoone va ba'd az chand saal mishe bedoone mahdoodiat edaame daad .

It is running on Russian fuel. The agreement with Russia says ten years worth of refueling only.

I do not think the 20 times figure is correct, though. The most advanced Iranian centrifuge has about quarter SWU capacity (at 24 SWU ) of the most advanced European centrifuge. Uranium itself is actually quite abundant, the problem is the grade of mine. The statistics map you referred to is actually based on Uranium price at about 100 dollars a kg. Raise it to just less than 1000 dollars per kg and you can even produce uranium from sea water.

Beside, uranium cost is actually a very small part of nuclear generated electricity so much so that uranium prices are not taken into account when making feasibility studies for nuclear electricity. Almost all the cost is that of the plant itself, enrichment and fuel fabrication. It still remains even economical if you had to obtain uranium from sea water. But if you have the option to import cheaper uranium, of course you do not have to. By the way Iran owns 15% of Rossing uranium mine in Namibia since 70's but has not been able to get even half a kilo.

The only issue remaining is actually the enrichment and fabrication of fuel. Though Iran has got the enrichment part, I doubt Iran can manufacture fuel assemblies of Bushehr. Fuel assemblies of modern plants have complex geometries and chemistry and it is not a joke to manufacture them. Russians did not provide this technology to Iran for Bushehr fuel assemblies. In fact the most critical technology of a nuclear reactor is the fuel chemistry and geometry. If a nation can design and build it then it can even build its own reactors.

And no, Iran does not have such futuristic planning. It is said, Shah had it but new research shows that even he did not. He wanted to be able to build nukes, specially after India did its "Smiling Bhudda Test". But he had made a critical mistake by signing NPT. I think he never completely understood the implications of it. Afterwards IR actually completely stopped all nuclear activities. It was during the Iran-Iraq war, that Iran understood the value of having a nuclear deterrence for military strategic purposes. So this is not primarily for "future energy needs". It is to prevent Iran from becoming Libya or Iraq.

As for economy, until Iran's economy is running on oil exports, nothing will change. Even if sanctions are removed, do not be surprised if things did not improve by much. At best case scenario, economy will go back to days of Khatami. That is about it. The only way to improve Iran's economy is to liberalize it. And this is not possible while oil income is still there. If sanctions are removed, Iran instead of exporting oil, must start to build a real economy by inviting Western and Eastern companies to build their manufacturing plants in Iran. This is the only way. And it is not possible without liberalizing the economy. BS laws currently in force, in this regard have to be scrapped.
 
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I can answer all of your lines. show you who has talked and is talking chellemiduni and for whom.
but here we are discussing about our future, not Ahmadinejad.

let me know, what was our reward for suspending our nuclear activities for 2 years?
and why you think they wont answer the same way again after 10 years?
what if after this period they refused to give us the nuclear fuel? what's your answer for people who want to turn their light on during the night? what's your answer for people who will lose their job because of lack of electricity? what do you do for collapsing economy after collapsing of industry? seriously, what's your answer for angry people.
I guess gently saying "they cheated us again (this part will be censored : and we were dumb enough to be fooled for the third time)", gently of course as you like it.

I dont think Iran would have to stop its nuclear activity for 10 years, just a reduction of activity in exchange for being reintegrated in the world economy. Afterall 6000 centrifuges will be allowed to operate, leaving Iran's status as a "treshold state" largely intact.
Nuclear is not the end all be all. Having functioning economy with annual growth is even more important. With our large young and educated population, our location which intersects several strategic trade routes (ME, Central Asia, Persian Gulf and Caspian Sea) vast resources, then there is no reason why Iran shouldnt be a top 10 world economy.
I dont see it as a bad deal. Especially since in the end we will preserve large parts of the program, and after 10-15 years we can expand it further without restrictions with full international legitimacy.

Being uncompromising/ideological is never a good idea. You'll just end up losing more and more.
 
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