Anti-Semitism in Goa

[neutral_person]

That's nothing compared to killing prophets & getting cursed by God & by prophets...

& those who r saying that church should stay away from politics,,, well, israeli occupation is NOT political, it's motivated by religion.

LOL really a Pakistani is going to say that Talk about a classic case of pot calling a kettle black.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Th church is composed of indian priests,bishops etc im sure they arent imported from portugal...Although there is a large number of anglo-indians or portugese-indians in ur country.

The catholic church is an institution that reports to their world body and the world body has a say in its running. Its does not matter who mans the posts, as we are talking about the institution that has a history of inhumane occupations and inquisitions and destruction of others holy places right here in Goa.

Do they become invalid in your eyes because those things happened to Hindus?

In any case the church making political statements is BS. Concern over a local issue is one thing but commenting on a foreign country's matter is hardly the church's place.

 

[EjazR]

The Israeli paper is slanting the news coverage about what the church actually said. Its not asking the GoI to stop Israeli toursits from coming to India. Its only a letter written to Palestinian Chrisitans (yes there are Palestinian Christians as well), supporting them. More specfically from what I understand, the end of Israeli military prescene in the Arab majority areas i.e. West Bank and Gaza .


Here is how its being reported in India
The Hindu : NATIONAL / KARNATAKA : Goa Church expresses solidarity with ‘sisters and brothers' in Palestine

The Goa Church authorities have addressed an open letter of solidarity from Goa to “sisters and brothers who suffer under Israeli occupation and still struggle in dignity for their liberation”.

Fr. Maverick Fernandes, Executive Secretary, Council for Social Justice and Peace (CSJP), Archdiocese of Goa and Daman on Monday released the copies of the letter sent through the Jerusalem Inter-Church Centre and Kairos Palestine stating how in the last few years the issues of Palestinians had come to capture spirit of the Goa Church and how it caused to find ways of understanding and relating to the struggle for freedom and justice in Palestine.

Expressing solidarity with the Palestinian society for its sufferings for 64 years, the letter lamented that from this distance, it was hard to imagine how one people can celebrate the creation of their state while another moan the loss of their lands and endure suffering, deprivation, denial of rights, dislocation, and imprisonment of a sister, brother, father, son, a neighbour or a relative.

Acknowledging their own indifference and inaction in the past and deeply regretting it, the CSJP letter said that three years ago, for the first time, they sprung into action when they decided to study the issue of Israelis who had completed their term in the IDF and who turned up on the shores of Goa to overlook and disregard their actions while on military duty. “Our study revealed how dehumanised these young people had become and how, because of an oppressive and cruel system of illegal military occupation, even the victimisers had turned casualties and victims of their own cruelties,” said the CSJP letter further and added, “We have felt somewhat distant and helpless. We want to abandon this sense of distance and powerlessness. We now wish to be drawn into a closer relationship - one in which we can do something concrete and demonstrate our solidarity in tangible ways,” the letter further stated.

“In line with this, this year we observed the World Week for Peace in Palestine Israel (WWPPI) by bringing together a group of young and senior leaders from our churches to pray and be educated about the injustices the Palestinian people face and now wish to embark on an initiative that will bring us face-to-face with your realities and accept your suffering as ours, your pain as ours, and your liberation as ours,” said Fr. Maverick in his letter.

“As a first step, we wish to respond to your call to “Come and See”- a major chapter in the Kairos document issued by Palestinian Christians in 2009. We respond with humility with our own message of peace and love. We respond because we want to understand the facts on-the-ground and bear witness to your agonising reality and respond as you ask “to take a position of truth with regard to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land”, the letter further stated.

“For us in Goa, the World Week for Peace is a defining moment which we hope will rouse us into action. Our concerns include all Palestinians- be they divided by the separation wall, consigned to life as refugees or exiles, rendered homeless by sheer revenge ,” Fr. Maverick's letter stated and expressed concern for “the extreme reduction in the number of Christians in The Holy Land.”

 

[somebozo]

Racism in Israel

The Prime Minister participated this afternoon in a football game of Arab and Jewish youngsters that took place in Jerusalem. This constitutes part of his participation in an international project to promote tourism to Israel. In the course of the game the Prime Minister slipped on the grass, got up, continued to play and scored a goal. The Prime Minister has apparently strained a tendon


How dare the Jewish president play football with Arabs!!! (sarcasm)

 

[INDIC]

Anti-Semitism should not be tolerated in India. Church should mind its own business instead of spreading hatred.

 

[Mirsub Ali Fazlani]

Listen u lil potty mouth dousche ...im surely taller,fairer and more handsome than you... so u better stfu instead of
getting personal./QUOTE]

Yes, Of-course . There there...

Look, I even thanked you

Man, I needed a laugh!

 

[Ganga]

The catholic churches should really mind their own business. If you hate the jews then go stuff yourselves. Please don't come out with bogus studies and reveal you residue European anti-antisemitism in India. 'cause down here in India we don't roll your way.

Bigots.

Catholic church have no right expressing their views on political matters like this. The reason so many Israelis come to India is because India is so accepting of all and a pure pluralist nation- these fools need to STFU and keep their ignorance to themselves.

To be completely honest what they have mentioned is some what correct.I am not talking about the Palestinian issue over here .But regarding Israeli tourists in Goa behaving badly they have a point.Most of them come to India to forget their past(service in the army).some of them behave badly with tourists from other countries.Lodge owners often complain of them being too loud.Israelis are most welcome here,but when you start misbehaving with other tourists,that's the red line.

 

[livingdead]

Did you bother to read the article?

He called Israelis "Inhumane". He is siding with the terrorists who blow themselves up to kill women and children as if they were moral freedom fighters. Or did you just want to express your opinion without bothering to use your brain to comprehend what this church is saying?

There are bad tourists from every nationality in the world. But you, you just showed your face, buddy.

Oh, am I a marked man now, lol.
Church is saying what church wants to say(political part of it is wrong I said already) and calling them pedophile(for act of few priests in europe just because they follow same religion) is anti-catholic.
I am not from goa, but dont mess with local people,try to respect their culture. India is federal country, sometimes govt of India cant go against local govt if they turn against you.

 

[jamesbaldwin]

This is news to me- anti semitism in India! I have been to Goa more than 5 times and have seen sooo many Israelis on holiday there at the same time. From what I saw there was nothing but mutual respect and friendliness between the Indian natives and visiting Israelis. Same goes for all visitor-Idian relations, Indians are - in my experience- very gracious and warm hosts who treat all with respect and kindness. Church seems to be playing games for political reasons.

 

[Bhim]

I know its wrong, but nothing new.
In India, the religious organizations take the lead in all political rallies.
The Church did it to show to the Goans that its still there and cares for Christians.

What I feel is, probably the Church felt neglected, the Israeli tourists are not going to any of the Churches there.
My advice, when you go to India, don't forget to pay a visit to the the most religious place of that area, after that you are free to do anything you want. Otherwise, I bet you will get some sort of warning from them.
BTW, this is true for Temple, Mosque,Church,Durbar and every thing else religious.

 

[scrumpy]

The Israeli paper is slanting the news coverage about what the church actually said. Its not asking the GoI to stop Israeli toursits from coming to India. Its only a letter written to Palestinian Chrisitans (yes there are Palestinian Christians as well), supporting them. More specfically from what I understand, the end of Israeli military prescene in the Arab majority areas i.e. West Bank and Gaza .


Here is how its being reported in India
The Hindu : NATIONAL / KARNATAKA : Goa Church expresses solidarity with ‘sisters and brothers' in Palestine

The Goa Church authorities have addressed an open letter of solidarity from Goa to “sisters and brothers who suffer under Israeli occupation and still struggle in dignity for their liberation”.

Fr. Maverick Fernandes, Executive Secretary, Council for Social Justice and Peace (CSJP), Archdiocese of Goa and Daman on Monday released the copies of the letter sent through the Jerusalem Inter-Church Centre and Kairos Palestine stating how in the last few years the issues of Palestinians had come to capture spirit of the Goa Church and how it caused to find ways of understanding and relating to the struggle for freedom and justice in Palestine.

Expressing solidarity with the Palestinian society for its sufferings for 64 years, the letter lamented that from this distance, it was hard to imagine how one people can celebrate the creation of their state while another moan the loss of their lands and endure suffering, deprivation, denial of rights, dislocation, and imprisonment of a sister, brother, father, son, a neighbour or a relative.

Acknowledging their own indifference and inaction in the past and deeply regretting it, the CSJP letter said that three years ago, for the first time, they sprung into action when they decided to study the issue of Israelis who had completed their term in the IDF and who turned up on the shores of Goa to overlook and disregard their actions while on military duty. “Our study revealed how dehumanised these young people had become and how, because of an oppressive and cruel system of illegal military occupation, even the victimisers had turned casualties and victims of their own cruelties,” said the CSJP letter further and added, “We have felt somewhat distant and helpless. We want to abandon this sense of distance and powerlessness. We now wish to be drawn into a closer relationship - one in which we can do something concrete and demonstrate our solidarity in tangible ways,” the letter further stated.

“In line with this, this year we observed the World Week for Peace in Palestine Israel (WWPPI) by bringing together a group of young and senior leaders from our churches to pray and be educated about the injustices the Palestinian people face and now wish to embark on an initiative that will bring us face-to-face with your realities and accept your suffering as ours, your pain as ours, and your liberation as ours,” said Fr. Maverick in his letter.

“As a first step, we wish to respond to your call to “Come and See”- a major chapter in the Kairos document issued by Palestinian Christians in 2009. We respond with humility with our own message of peace and love. We respond because we want to understand the facts on-the-ground and bear witness to your agonising reality and respond as you ask “to take a position of truth with regard to Israel's occupation of Palestinian land”, the letter further stated.

“For us in Goa, the World Week for Peace is a defining moment which we hope will rouse us into action. Our concerns include all Palestinians- be they divided by the separation wall, consigned to life as refugees or exiles, rendered homeless by sheer revenge ,” Fr. Maverick's letter stated and expressed concern for “the extreme reduction in the number of Christians in The Holy Land.”

This article in the hindu gives a much better picture without the added spice from the first article.

The church is showing concern for the victims of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands. This is a view which is also shared by a large number of people all over the world who would like to see the Israelis and Palestinians live in peace. The mention that the affects of this violence is also seen in Israeli tourists visiting Goa is an observation used to support the fact that the violence affects Israelis as well.

Sorry but I don't see these guys picking on the Israelis because of their religion. They in my opinion are rightly raising concern about the levels of violence instigated by Israel's policy of settlements. The whole world wants Israel to stop their practice of building settlements in Palestinian lands and to have the Palestinians have their own country.

You may argue who is right and wrong but the church in this case have a right to voice their opinion against the policy.
This isn't Anti-Semetism.

 

[mayankmatador]

India is home to 1 billion Hindus, few million Sikhs and other minorities but India also has 150 million Muslims and a few dozen million Christians. Many of them have anti-Semitic views but they are by far a very small minority.

No one said India is anti-Semitic, in fact India is known to be the only country in the world which has never been anti-Semitic but you have your minorities which happen to be anti-Semitic as in this case.
This is the Church of Goa we are talking about, not India.

chill dude,, he is a an idiotic fool priest,,, ignore him..

 

[T90TankGuy]

the fact is that in Goa the Israeli .(especially those who stay at anjuna , vagatore and morjem ) do create a lot of trouble for the locals and the hotel owners there. there have been many incidents of them getting physical .

as a catholic my self i wish the church does not get political , but while this is true for the rest of India , in Goa the church does hold a lot of power. recently they in the local elections asked the people not to vote for congress as they were shown to be quiet corrupt in Goa. it was the catholic vote which got the BJP to win .

 

[livingdead]

the fact is that in Goa the Israeli .(especially those who stay at anjuna , vagatore and morjem ) do create a lot of trouble for the locals and the hotel owners there. there have been many incidents of them getting physical .

as a catholic my self i wish the church does not get political , but while this is true for the rest of India , in Goa the church does hold a lot of power. recently they in the local elections asked the people not to vote for congress as they were shown to be quiet corrupt in Goa. it was the catholic vote which got the BJP to win .

I was trying to make the same point. Local govt carry a lot of power in India, what if tomorrow goan start to hate them.
Why not listen to the local people who are complaining before it is too late, and hatred takes critical mass.
May be Indian embassy in partnership with israeli govt should start cultural sensitization program in israel, dos and donts etc.