Anti-India Protests Erupt in Kashmir Amid Deadly Fighting

[war&peace]

I love to be humble .. but i must say you people are ignorant not me because you never admit your fault

He won't...they are arrogant people and it is against their nature until you have sufficient force...that's how their culture and religion is: Bow before the powerful, suppress the weak...just look at their caste-system. Today there was a thread that a Dalit was killed for riding a horse by some Khashtri men.

And no, Indian security forces are not the terrorist forces; disguising things under the mask of 'state-sponsored terrorism' is merely the counter-part of the famous concept of non-state actors. Nobody is fooled.

Well dear mate, that's where we disagree and part our ways. Indian security forces are terrorist organisations and they are using oppression against the innocent civilians of IOJ&K. The list includes murder, rape, torture, pellet guns and burning people alive...

 

[Joe Shearer]

He won't...they are arrogant people and it is against their nature until you have sufficient force...that's how their culture and religion is: Bow before the powerful, suppress the weak...just look at their caste-system. Today there was a thread that a Dalit was killed for riding a horse by some Khashtri men.


Well dear mate, that's where we disagree and part our ways. Indian security forces are terrorist organisations and they are using oppression against the innocent civilians of IOJ&K. The list includes murder, rape, torture, pellet guns and burning people alive...

Who am I to stand against the views of the rest of the world, regarding your own country's weakness towards terrorism? Or their support of India?

 

[ranjeet]

These guys will shout slogans for couple of days and then will get back to their normal life. Even Pakistan has almost stopped supporting them, they are just paying lip service to Kashmiris now. It will be better for the future of Kashmiri kids if they accept their fate without any further bloodshed.

 

[war&peace]

Who am I to stand against the views of the rest of the world, regarding your own country's weakness towards terrorism? Or their support of India?

Mate, better ask the Kashmiris.. they will tell you who is the terrorist.. the world does not know even a iota about the persecution the Kashmiris have been facing for the past 70+ years.

 

[Cookie Monster]

They don't want to be Pakistanis either. Even more simple.

That is fine...if they so choose freedom then they should be allowed freedom. A lot better than killing/raping/injuring them and forcing them to be a part of a certain country against their will.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is fine...if they so choose freedom then they should be allowed freedom. A lot better than killing/raping/injuring them and forcing them to be a part of a certain country against their will.

No.

No part of the Indian Union can ask for separation. Killing, raping and injuring them is not state policy; those are mistakes made by individuals and leaders at the ground level, and those have to be corrected. They do not constitute grounds on which to coerce the state.

 

[salarsikander]

Do a little background checking and figure out the millions being poured into Kashmir dissident hands to keep the agitation alive. If this stops, where do you think the surplus funding will go? Back to the donors? Or to other Mulim irredentists?

Perhaps some development work should have taken place in Kashmir, in the past 60 years, right ? Good school, colleges, uni, hospitals, juslike in every other Indian state.

Removal of AFSPA forstarters and treating them as Indian and not calling them Pakistanis as bakhts call every other Indian Muslim

 

[Joe Shearer]

Perhaps some development work should have taken place in Kashmir, in the past 60 years, right ? Good school, colleges, uni, hospitals, juslike in every other Indian state.

LOL.

Check out the figures.

Far more has been spent on these aspects in J&K than in any other state.

Removal of AFSPA forstarters and treating them as Indian and not calling them Pakistanis as bakhts call every other Indian Muslim

AFSPA can't be removed; it isn't constitutional for the Army to do anything outside a state of military law, unless there is this enabling act. In its absence, a magistrate has to order the security men to open fire. A magistrate is not always a visible object at the strange times and places that this act is useful.

The bhakts be damned. Nobody in Kashmir calls them Pakistanis, only the RSS and their front organisations in Jammu do that. In other respects, they settle everywhere and do everything they are qualified to do. They are available all over India and work freely everywhere. The assistant surgeon when my wife underwent surgery for cancer was a Kashmiri, and he wasn't the only one.

The bhakts will not last forever.

 

[salarsikander]

Far more has been spent on these aspects in J&K than in any other state.

All went to drian and corruption, Kashmir is a state where every successsuccessive govt throws money only to be siphoned off later, no real effort has ever been made to truly Indianize, other than sending forces

 

[El Sidd]

Far more has been spent on these aspects in J&K than in any other state.

Money doesnt buy you nationalism. I keep telling you BB

The bhakts be damned. Nobody in Kashmir calls them Pakistanis, only the RSS and their front organisations in Jammu do that. In other respects, they settle everywhere and do everything they are qualified to do. They are available all over India and work freely everywhere. The assistant surgeon when my wife underwent surgery for cancer was a Kashmiri, and he wasn't the only one.

The bhakts will not last forever.

Its happening on a scale you cannot hide. The bhakts believe they can win. You dont believe you can hold on.

Kashmir is ever close to liberation thanks to your stubnorness to colonize through economo terrorism.

In the long run you are preparing afghans who should be the last to be trusted by you.

Its over BB. Its over

 

[Cookie Monster]

No.

No part of the Indian Union can ask for separation. Killing, raping and injuring them is not state policy; those are mistakes made by individuals and leaders at the ground level, and those have to be corrected. They do not constitute grounds on which to coerce the state.

I'm not talking about state laws. I'm talking about the basic human nature that has played out in many parts of the world over centuries. If a group of ppl don't want to remain with their nation/state/country...either they are peacefully allowed to separate(hardly ever) or they are FORCED to remain to keep the country intact. This forcefulness is what causes rape/injuries/killings/etc. In my opinion it's better to just let them go their own way than killing them.

 

[Joe Shearer]

All went to drian and corruption, Kashmir is a state where every successsuccessive govt throws money only to be siphoned off later, no real effort has ever been made to truly Indianize, other than sending forces

You certainly have a point there. The difficulty is that touching a state government that doesn't want to listen to you has become infinitely more difficult after a succession of judicial challenges. Now no government at the Centre wants to fall foul of the courts, risking some action against the state governments.

In the special case of Kashmir, the Kashmiris themselves have firmly resisted any attempts at change. For instance, the Ranbir Code prevented alienation of property to anyone not a permanent resident of the state. Ironically, this was intended to prevent any alienation of the landed estates of the Kashmiri Pandits, who got liberal grants, to outsiders from the Punjab or further. Now, this has been re-validated by the State Assembly, in the teeth of a storm of protest from civil society in India, and the renewed wording prevents women from inheriting if they marry a person not a permanent resident of the state.

With the Ranbir Code and the restrictions of Art. 370, there is little that can be done to Indianise. And that is a pity.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Indians think they are the believers.. How much stupid they are.. Those have been protesting for the freedom for long time are the real believers of freedom. They have nothing to loss but have chance to gain and rise.

There is delay in god's house not darkness

 

[salarsikander]

You certainly have a point there. The difficulty is that touching a state government that doesn't want to listen to you has become infinitely more difficult after a succession of judicial challenges. Now no government at the Centre wants to fall foul of the courts, risking some action against the state governments.

In the special case of Kashmir, the Kashmiris themselves have firmly resisted any attempts at change. For instance, the Ranbir Code prevented alienation of property to anyone not a permanent resident of the state. Ironically, this was intended to prevent any alienation of the landed estates of the Kashmiri Pandits, who got liberal grants, to outsiders from the Punjab or further. Now, this has been re-validated by the State Assembly, in the teeth of a storm of protest from civil society in India, and the renewed wording prevents women from inheriting if they marry a person not a permanent resident of the state.

With the Ranbir Code and the restrictions of Art. 370, there is little that can be done to Indianise. And that is a pity.

Same thing is in Pakistan non kashmiri cannot buy property there, its because its disputed region that's why. Other than the code itself, sir efforts are made.

Let me tellmyoum one thing honestlhonestly, that if Indian efforts were sincere Kashmir has lot to gain from India than from Pakistan, how much do you think Pakistan can support them ? As compared to Indian support, heck our entire economy is as big as your single state. As I said its all about conviently burning the money in corruption and keeping the region backward. Its a thorn nthat no one India wants to swallow but to keep it attached to show wound and siphon money from central govt, sadly,

 

[Joe Shearer]

Same thing is in Pakistan non kashmiri cannot buy property there, its because its disputed region that's why. Other than the code itself, sir efforts are made.

Let me tellmyoum one thing honestlhonestly, that if Indian efforts were sincere Kashmir has lot to gain from India than from Pakistan, how much do you think Pakistan can support them ? As compared to Indian support, heck our entire economy is as big as your single state. As I said its all about conviently burning the money in corruption and keeping the region backward. Its a thorn nthat no one India wants to swallow but to keep it attached to show wound and siphon money from central govt, sadly,

I wish I could resurrect my writings from Moderate Voice of Jammu Kashmir and Ladakh to try and convince you that you are saying exactly what I have always felt and frequently said. I believe that the biggest enemies of the Kashmiri people have been their politicians, the Abdullahs, the Muftis, and the Mirwaiz father and son. The second biggest have been Indian bureaucrats at Delhi, each with his opinion, none of which had any relevance to J&K affairs. The third consists of Indian and Pakistani spooks, who have done more damage through idiocy than by concerted effort.

Wait for the book by B. R. Singh Nain, who retired as Principal Secretary to the J&K Government, and was, in his time, a trusted advisor to Farooq Abdullah. Under his influence, I believe that only full restoration of the autonomy of the J&K Government will be acceptable in terms of constitutional propriety and fairness. By which I mean that that is what the law demands, and until it is done, the government is committing an impropriety.

About the money, nobody in the establishment has the guts to stop the money flowing out, for fear that the hugely higher figures granted from across the border will prevail, or that a disgruntled non-recipient would turn to the other side.