Another province can be created in Punjab - PM

[somebozo]

Look dude, dozen provinces can be created in Punjab but not for the people for whom you are running campaign today

Siraiki (Persian script: سرائیک&#1740, transliterated as Sirāikī and sometimes spelled Seraiki and Saraiki, is a standardized written language of Pakistan belonging to the Indo-Aryan (Indic) languages. It is spoken by the Siraiki people in the Siraiki-speaking regions in the heart of Pakistan. No mention of Siraiki is ever been made before the creation of Pakistan. All of the poets and Saints of Punjab always used Shahmukhī script including Khwaja Ghulam Farid who is respected among Siraiki speakers. No mention of Siraiki literature and written script have ever been made before the creation of Pakistan. Siraiki is based on a group of vernacular, historically unwritten dialects spoken by over 14 million people across the southern most half of Punjab Province, the adjacent border region of Sindh Province, and the northwest of Punjab Province, southern districts of Dera Ismail Khan and Tank of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province as well as by nearly 70,000 emigrants and their descendants in India.[1][not in citation given] The development of the standard written language, a process which began after the founding of Pakistan in 1947, has been driven by a regionalist political movement.[2][3] It is to be considered that this is the movement for a separate ethnic identity only and Saraikis are considered as Pakistani nationalists due to their geographic position within Pakistan. The national census of Pakistan has tabulated the prevalence of Saraiki speakers since 1981.[4]:46 Saraiki is the fourth most widely spoken language in Pakistan, behind Punjabi, Pashto, and Sindhi; and within Punjab Province it is one of the two major languages.

 

[Rusty]

absolutely no new provinces should be named after race, language, or anything else that can divide people.
All the new provinces need to be named after something neutral. Name them after Mughal kings, it doesn't matter, just as long as they are not named after race/language/etc.

 

[Sugarcane]

Siraiki (Persian script: سرائیک&#1740, transliterated as Sirāikī and sometimes spelled Seraiki and Saraiki, is a standardized written language of Pakistan belonging to the Indo-Aryan (Indic) languages. It is spoken by the Siraiki people in the Siraiki-speaking regions in the heart of Pakistan. No mention of Siraiki is ever been made before the creation of Pakistan. All of the poets and Saints of Punjab always used Shahmukhī script including Khwaja Ghulam Farid who is respected among Siraiki speakers. No mention of Siraiki literature and written script have ever been made before the creation of Pakistan. Siraiki is based on a group of vernacular, historically unwritten dialects spoken by over 14 million people across the southern most half of Punjab Province, the adjacent border region of Sindh Province, and the northwest of Punjab Province, southern districts of Dera Ismail Khan and Tank of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province as well as by nearly 70,000 emigrants and their descendants in India.[1][not in citation given] The development of the standard written language, a process which began after the founding of Pakistan in 1947, has been driven by a regionalist political movement.[2][3] It is to be considered that this is the movement for a separate ethnic identity only and Saraikis are considered as Pakistani nationalists due to their geographic position within Pakistan. The national census of Pakistan has tabulated the prevalence of Saraiki speakers since 1981.[4]:46 Saraiki is the fourth most widely spoken language in Pakistan, behind Punjabi, Pashto, and Sindhi; and within Punjab Province it is one of the two major languages.

Why you are telling this to me?

 

[somebozo]

absolutely no new provinces should be named after race, language, or anything else that can divide people.
All the new provinces need to be named after something neutral. Name them after Mughal kings, it doesn't matter, just as long as they are not named after race/language/etc.

Shame that we don't have a single province or even a city named after the founding father.

 

[Sugarcane]

absolutely no new provinces should be named after race, language, or anything else that can divide people.
All the new provinces need to be named after something neutral. Name them after Mughal kings, it doesn't matter, just as long as they are not named after race/language/etc.

Why Mughal Kings - We can invent new fancy names

 

[Rusty]

Shame that we don't have a single province or even a city named after the founding father.

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on a side note, I think we need more people on our money then just Jinnah.
He was a great leader, but we have so many great leaders in our history.
Put Aurangzeb and Tipu sultan on there as well.

 

[shelly]

maybe its time to create one province for the minorities. bhagwan jaane, they need one.

absolutely no new provinces should be named after race, language, or anything else that can divide people.
All the new provinces need to be named after something neutral. Name them after Mughal kings, it doesn't matter, just as long as they are not named after race/language/etc.

they should have a neutral name like sun valley or greenfields etc.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

How come India can invent names for new states and we can't? Lol
They don't necessarily be named after Mughal kings, language, race or city.
Invent invent invent. Be creative

 

[DRaisinHerald]

instead of making 10 small and little provinces, just make administrative units.

Province is simply the name given to an administrative unit. It can also be called "state", "division" "country" (as in the UK), "oblast" etc.

 

[HappinessMark!]

Why Mughal Kings - We can invent new fancy names

Re: Another province can be created in Punjab - PM
absolutely no new provinces should be named after race, language, or anything else that can divide people.
All the new provinces need to be named after something neutral. Name them after Mughal kings, it doesn't matter, just as long as they are not named after race/language/etc.

Bros, why the rule should be applied only for the new provinces...I endorsed your idea...Punjab should be split up into two...one with Jinnah or Aruangzeb name and the other one Tipu Sultan...(We have no problem as long as the same rule is applied for all provinces not only for the new created one for Sarikies (the other one, means when Sarikis are getting provinces then these people don't deserve)...as every one has the equal right on human grounds then, for their recognition, rights like...

PEACE!

 

[Musalman]

but new provinces should be made .. its necessity

yes but for admistrative purpose not for Musa Gillani

Peoples wishes for new province must be respected.Why not ask the people of region itself through referendum for saraiki province.

Yes that is a good idea

South Punjab has a very strong case for a province. They were never part of punjab and dont like to be reffered as punjabis. Even the core people of Pothwar region dont call them selves as punjabi and when talkeing about the central punjab regions say "this is how it is in Punjab"(Punjab mai aisa hota hai). I think it should be done.

Frankly we the punjabis (Lahore Gujranwala, Sialkot, Faisalabad) would be happy if Punjab is split between Punjab Pothohar and Siraki. This punjab will have more than 70% literacy and no vadera system etc.

but new provinces should be made .. its necessity

Peoples wishes for new province must be respected.Why not ask the people of region itself through referendum for saraiki province.

Bros, why the rule should be applied only for the new provinces...I endorsed your idea...Punjab should be split up into two...one with Jinnah or Aruangzeb name and the other one Tipu Sultan...(We have no problem as long as the same rule is applied for all provinces not only for the new created one for Sarikies (the other one, means when Sarikis are getting provinces then these people don't deserve)...as every one has the equal right on human grounds then, for their recognition, rights like...

PEACE!

Jinnah Auragzeb and Tipu ?????????? what is wrong with Sirakistan, Pothohar and Punjab???? There is nothing wrong in division of province based on ethnic ground.

 

[zip]

It is good in long term .. Make the centre powerful and cut provinces to the size ..otherwise you may face regional nationalistic ambitions ...there is no lack of wanna be leaders and their idiotic followers in our part of world...divide and be united

 

[HappinessMark!]

Frankly we the punjabis (Lahore Gujranwala, Sialkot, Faisalabad) would be happy if Punjab is split between Punjab Pothohar and Siraki. This punjab will have more than 70% literacy and no vadera system etc.





Jinnah Auragzeb and Tipu ?????????? what is wrong with Sirakistan, Pothohar and Punjab???? There is nothing wrong in division of province based on ethnic ground.

Thanks you very much for bringing this alarming information to our knowledge and notice as I were seriously not aware about this...Oh My God, so Sarikie people in their prospectous province ( Sairikistan or so Inshallah) will left with literacy rate only 18% as compared to 70% of their punjabis in uppper PUnjab (according to 2009 census punjab literacy rate is 59% accumulated, I've just checked to verify your statement)...so at this time rougly upper Punjabs litteracy rate is 70% . How this has been possible while living in the same province for centries one has 70% and while there partner living in the same province has 18% while Wasaib calculation says its Sarikies area has only 12% literacry rate http://waseb.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/only-12-per-cent-literacy-rate-in-south-punjab-by-rana-latif/....O' my Gosh!, here comes, so a proof how Sarikies poor have been deprived, TCH TCH for my Pakistan)
How is that possible two people (Sarikies and non-Sarikies) have been living in the same punjab and just like metphor, they jumped into the same river (resources allocated by Lahore) and one is almost completely wet (70%) while the other is just little partially wet (18%)...WHAT a superb a justice has been there from 65 years and they(Punjab rulers) have not noticed and taken special measures to at least reduce the difference?

All I'm emphasizing earlier like, you saying bro that new province name should be Sarikistan according to the rules when other five provinces are given names on the base of ethnicity or even renamed on the ethnic basis. then why this discrimination for these Sarikies poor.....so if it must not ethnic then for the sake of justice, uniformity in the country undo the others province names as well to follow the same suit and rules and rights for all...
This is why I was saying that division will help more, as then instead of seeing the economics at MACRO level, we can see the things (development) at MICRO level...just prooved by MUSLAMAN brother post, how now Sarikies can see their data and in competition they will struggle more...Like when a son in jointed family system would not be struggling but would be literally a paracite who will be feeded by parents after marriage, but if he is allowed (means given power and rule to him) to make his living by own then he will be more productive instead of a parasite ...

Further sometimes I think if we were having two or three Bengals provinces on the basis of some parameters then it would have been hard for them to go for another country (BUt remember what Allah do is the best, may Alllah keep them happy)...If we divide Punjab or others then it will be difficult for smaller units to go for UNITE movement for independence, as communication would become difficult rather and they will then serve as a rival in competition to grow on the development lines....just look if now Sarikies knows that how they have been put down to 18% literarcy rate (Whatever the reason of unequal resources distribution or no ATTention has been put up by the upper-punjab so called ruler for this massive difference from 65 years...So sad to know really this parameter as well....Stay happy Punjab, stay happy Sarikistan, stay happy all my provinces and my lovely Pakistan

 

[truthseer]

yes but for admistrative purpose not for Musa Gillani

Yes that is a good idea

Frankly we the punjabis (Lahore Gujranwala, Sialkot, Faisalabad) would be happy if Punjab is split between Punjab Pothohar and Siraki. This punjab will have more than 70% literacy and no vadera system etc.

These statistics are precisely why there should be more provinces. Siraikis have been completely dominated and probably even the good jobs there go to the Northern Punjabis

 

[HappinessMark!]

These statistics are precisely why there should be more provinces. Siraikis have been completely dominated and probably even the good jobs there go to the Northern Punjabis

Very true bro....don't say probably but certainly to much extent.... I've posted enough information about the procedures and napotism in the recruitment system, it will endorse your guess (As I've collected this information in decades out of my observation, discusion, readings, personal experience of the people....as I wished alot to right a book about the injustices and corruption system of Pakistan) ...please follow below link( thread) to see more mentioned information I collected to the best of my knowlege and honesty:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...-after-bengal-balochistan-do-you-support.html


Further, muslman brother is quite right that there are some leftovers of Vdera system in this Sariki belt, mentioned in above dedicated thread: how their region (sariki nothern region) was a leader (capital) of Sindh (Multan a Sparrow of Gold was so rich in Qasim times and Ghaznavi invaded it seventeen times)...but unfortunately people of this area were associated with agriculture (same pointed out by MUSALMAN BRO), so no political oriented...this must have been the reason they have not protested when their leader area went to Punjab's oppression...A logical question is that just ASSUME if today one declares that Lahore is not going to be the Capital of Punjab anymore, rather from tomorrow on, Multan will be capital of punjab without any referendum then what would be response of Lahoris? I guess they would go for violences against this assumed decision (further just to let you know refernedum never happen for any of the province case, but if it has been happened then all knows who stupid would not like to go for their rights resumption) ...then howcome possible the Multanis got deprived (of course they were illetrate under fuedal system as some bro pointed out here, i assert)....