Another option for PAF is F -111

[Salmaan]

India is purchasing Tupolev bombers from Russia. Thus, it can be possible that Pakistan may purchase the F-111 from Australia to counter India's purchase of Tu bombers from Russia.

 

[melb4aust]

Hey dude have u got any source that confirms that india is purchasing Tupolev bombers. If they are this is really going to be interesting they are very advance and long range bombers(14,000km ). If it is Tu-160 Blackjack it is hell of an aircraft almost similar to US B1-B Lancer. It has an ability to carry long range nuclear missiles as well.

If they get compare with F-111. range wise, in payload and the ability to carry variety of weapons they are ahead of F-111. On the other hand F-111 has an advantage of speed and ability to counter other aircrafts. As mentioned above has an ability to engage into a dogfight as well.

One more thing why the hell india is getting those aircrafts, and if they are going to acquire those bombers what they gonna make use of them. Tu-160 is quite offensive aircraft. Long range specify its offensiveness. This is quite shifty.

 

[Zeeshan S.]

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Its not shifty its quite alarming. The defence budget of IAF is way upper than the one of PAF, but when doing a ratio of it with their economy its quite tiny. The bad part is, in the past years IAF has now learned how to spend the money and on which things for having a beasty air force, before it wasn't the case, and it was spending bucks on crap.

Though i dont understand why are they qoing for bombers. IAF claims to be a defensive force, but i understand sometime when defending you also have to go on offence, but its quite alarming when how IAF now acquiring powerful and the weapons/equipment that Super Powers use. I believe IAF is now planning to counter China and not Pakistan, so we will have to stand up too!

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by melb4aust@Jan 18 2006, 10:07 AM
Im Not sure that these aircrafts need any authorization from US. Pakistan has purcased some old mirages from Australia in past

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Mel,
Any American FMS to its allies prevent them to sell American weapons to third countires without an official approval from Washington.
Mirages came from France and an official approval was given from Paris to acquire the Australian surplus fleet.
As far as I know, Australia has been the sole operator of F-111 (code name Raven?) for a long time and its unlikely they will find a customer for this bomber.
On the other hand, India's been looking for a tactical fighter for a long time and recently an agreement was signed with Tupolev to lease some aircraft, correct me if I'm wrong but the agreement included 3 bombers.
So there's a slight chance PAF could show some interest in F-111, given the fact that US would release the sale and Auastraia doens't put a high price tag on it.
Its would give PAF a boost in assault capability and experience with flying a variable geomatery aircraft.

But very unlikely to happen...

 

[Air Force One]

Does anyone know the estimate price of this deal? If cheap what is the range? :huh:

 

[melb4aust]

I've got no idea, all i read in the Australian newspaper that its going to be very cheap as they have been operating them for a long time, plus JSF is coming too and they are spending 16 billion $$$ on that deal with US.

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by Air Force One@Feb 2 2006, 10:46 PM
Does anyone know the estimate price of this deal? If cheap what is the range? :huh:

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Hard to tell.
All depends on the full package, i.e. spares, maintenance logs, training and armament.

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by melb4aust@Feb 3 2006, 08:50 AM
I've got no idea, all i read in the Australian newspaper that its going to be very cheap as they have been operating them for a long time, plus JSF is coming too and they are spending 16 billion $$$ on that deal with US.

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I still think that the deal, if there's one, is a no go.
We need money for 75 F-16's and 8 Erieye's which will absorb most of our defence budget and not to forget the JF-17 and K-8's....

 

[Zeeshan S.]

It just amusing to me, we are here talking about bombers now, and on an another thread we are talking about Refuellers i know i started the thread dont get on me. lol

Now can we discuss if Refuellers are more imprtant or the bombers strategically? I believe most of the people will go against the bombers, even if they are cheap because how you will maintain them is a great pain!

 

[Sid]

Its not just about maintainance. Bomber aircraft are somewhat like an aircraft carrier in one's navy; they need protection which is provided to them by escorting fighter jets. Pakistan does not have a large enough airforce to conduct bombing raids with fighter jets accompanying bombers deep in to the enemy's territory while at the same time having enough at home to protect its own airspace's sovereignty.

It is just useless discussion abt a prospective bomber for the PAF. Multi-role combat aircrafts is all what PAF should be concerned about procuring.

 

[klimove]

in my humble opinion we must have these aircraft.because some paf men call mirages iii and 5 sitting ducks.

 

[SBD-3]

Australia is indeed looking for a good replace, as it sees a threat of China, because of the edge China has versus Austrialian F-18s. Australia really fears of Russian made Su-27 series.

I'm not sure about RAAF.......but www.ausairpower.org does surely

 

[Nahraf]

If we need tactical bombers then Pakistan should consider buying JH-7A (FBC-1A Flying Leopard II) from China rather than ancient F-111 that were retired by US in 1998.

 

[klimove]

If we need tactical bombers then Pakistan should consider buying JH-7A (FBC-1A Flying Leopard II) from China rather than ancient F-111 that were retired by US in 1998.

another china s fan.i dont know y people deny russian tech. but the accept the same when it comes from china after being copied.if the aircrfat is ancient becoz it was retired in 1998. wat about the mirages we are using? y people make threads to compare ancient mig21 with jf17 thunder.

PAF did not purchased Su-27. in 1993 but now in this forum 80% people say that we should buy j-11 which is a copy of su-27.

 

[Imran Khan]

another china s fan.i dont know y people deny russian tech. but the accept the same when it comes from china after being copied.if the aircrfat is ancient becoz it was retired in 1998. wat about the mirages we are using? y people make threads to compare ancient mig21 with jf17 thunder.

PAF did not purchased Su-27. in 1993 but now in this forum 80% people say that we should buy j-11 which is a copy of su-27.

whats the moto to bring back 4 years old thread? f-111 gone to junk already.abut russia its not car deal its a fighter jet deal you know source of waipons of pakistan is west or china from our freedom why?????????? is air headquarter is stupid? they know more then you and me 1trillion times better . better we never go to russia look at s-300 deal of iran .china even its sold us copy there is no any threat for speares or TOT .who many 4th gen today are ready for sold you know only 7 and one of them is made in pakistan by help of china.

now leave this old daed thread and move on