Another General Kakar act is due!

[fatman17]

Another General Kakar act is due!

News Analysis

Tuesday, May 25, 2010

By AR Siddiqi

KARACHI: While the people are the ultimate sovereign and custodians of the country, the armed forces (in our case the Army) are their ultimate defender and the sword arm.

The country is faced with yet another grave crisis. The executive’s challenge to the judiciary looks almost like a gladiatorial context at the end of which one or both must die or totally crippled mortally.

Must the Amy chief do another Musharraf and take over? That’d be like a poor, and a rotten copy of rubbished text. Hence out of the question.Must he then sit pretty in his secure army chief’s chair and relax with yet another cigarette—the chain smoker he is reputed to be—or else put on his cap, slip his big stick under his left arm and move on.

The question is when and to what end?

Martial Law, simply out of the question!

Let all the monsters of Dr (Gen/ Field Marshal) Ayub be laid to rest, once and for all.

The only honourable exception to the rule of the thumb was offered by one General Abdul Waheed Kakar, Army Chief (1993-1996).

On July 17, 1993, he’d taken out his big stick from under his left arm only to salute the two holders of the Supreme magisterial powers—President Ghulam Ishaque Khan and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, tell them to quit or be shown the door. Both saw the wisdom of choosing to quit.

What General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, his PSOs and corps commanders, do or don’t do is entirely for them to decide. It’s only for them to choose the time and place to act.

Another Waheed-Kakar style timely act may well be in order to get the Executive (to which Army Chief is a part) to withdraw its briefs!

The writer is a former head of the ISPR

 

[ramu]

IMO, solution to the political problem is not achieved through military. Accountability should be from the ballet and not at gun point. It is not the military's duty or responsibility to judge the right or wrong doing of the political class. Army in Pakistan has taken liberties on its own and it has to be discouraged by stronger legislation.

 

[pak-yes]

you know what first i had doubt but now i am confident that democracy is not suited for Pakistan in western form where people can put into parliament those who openly say they have fraud degrees.People in Pakistan are not aware of the consequences of their vote.

 

[ramu]

you know what first i had doubt but now i am confident that democracy is not suited for Pakistan in western form where people can put into parliament those who openly say they have fraud degrees.People in Pakistan are not aware of the consequences of their vote.

It is very said to hear this from a senior member on this forum. Extremely disappointed that democracy is rejected because it has not shown desirable results. I am curious to know in what way is an alternative to democracy better. Atleast in democracy you have a chance to change the people in the helm once in five years. What are the choices if it is not a democracy?

 

[pak-yes]

It is very said to hear this from a senior member on this forum. Extremely disappointed that democracy is rejected because it has not shown desirable results. I am curious to know in what way is an alternative to democracy better. Atleast in democracy you have a chance to change the people in the helm once in five years. What are the choices if it is not a democracy?

Alternative.Well I said Democracy in WESTERN FORM
is not suitable for Pakistan.People take democracy as a static concept democracy is no doubt the best system but it is not necessary that it is implemented in the western way blindly.Democracy must be modified to suit local needs.

 

[ramu]

Alternative.Well I said Democracy in WESTERN FORM
is not suitable for Pakistan.People take democracy as a static concept democracy is no doubt the best system but it is not necessary that it is implemented in the western way blindly.Democracy must be modified to suit local needs.

What is the Pakistan version of democracy ? Sharia law ?

 

[fatman17]

pakistan is on the verge of a revolt - power crisis, rising inflation, water crisis, no education system for the lower middle class (majority population) which breeds miltantism as they fall prey to the mullah's, no hospitals to provide treatment to the poor (once again), war in the north-west, threat of war in the east, diwindling resources, rising anti-americanism(sic) - the only country which is supporting us (albeit rather reluctantly) with $$$ and arms to fight our 'own-made' menace, no law and order, target killings in the city i live in, rampant corruption, nepotism, fraudelant degrees, murders go un-investigated, tax evasion by the rich and mighty, more taxes on the salaried classes, no cng for autos, falling industrial production, falling exports, rising debt (domestic and external) and on, and on, and on.....

hail democracy!!!

 

[ramu]

pakistan is on the verge of a revolt - power crisis, rising inflation, water crisis, no education system for the lower middle class (majority population) which breeds miltantism as they fall prey to the mullah's, no hospitals to provide treatment to the poor (once again), war in the north-west, threat of war in the east, diwindling resources, rising anti-americanism(sic) - the only country which is supporting us (albeit rather reluctantly) with $$$ and arms to fight our 'own-made' menace, no law and order, target killings in the city i live in, rampant corruption, nepotism, fraudelant degrees, murders go un-investigated, tax evasion by the rich and mighty, more taxes on the salaried classes, no cng for autos, falling industrial production, falling exports, rising debt (domestic and external) and on, and on, and on.....

hail democracy!!!

Sir, War saps any country and Pakistan is no exception. The current state of Pakistan is not because of democracy but because of the current adventure Pakistan is embroiled into (willingly or unwillingly).

The leaders of the main political parties of Pakistan are as corrupt as the politicians in south Korea, India or Sri Lanka. But look at South Korea and the rise of a small country that now is an economic power.

A large part of credit goes to the political class is South Korea but the truth is the people of the country rewarded the politicians who were doing good and threw out the weeds. The results are for all to see.

 

[kursed]

fatman17.. And military rule will correct all of these issues? Far too simplistic an assumption - wouldn't you say? Because for about 40 years, we did happen to have military rule and yet the problems continue to exist.

I'd rather say that instead of playing 'pass-the-parcel' blame game, we should accept that both military and civilian governments have failed when it comes to providing basic institutional infrastructure to Pakistan.

That's what you're seeing right now; a rot in the very basic infrastructure of the state - which is not the doing of a 2 year old rule.

Anyhow, political discussions on a military fora are not my forte so excuse my babbling.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pakistan is at a stage where a bloody revolution will be the only saving grace. No more tickets tp saudi arabia, dubai, america or the uk's---pakistan need justice---the copuntry needs the blood of the criminals who have soiled its name with corruption and crime---who have plundered its wealth and well being for personal gains.

Pakistan needs a bloody revolution---blood of the criminals need to flow to cleanse the stains left on th national integrity.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

pakistan is on the verge of a revolt - power crisis, rising inflation, water crisis, no education system for the lower middle class (majority population) which breeds miltantism as they fall prey to the mullah's, no hospitals to provide treatment to the poor (once again), war in the north-west, threat of war in the east, diwindling resources, rising anti-americanism(sic) - the only country which is supporting us (albeit rather reluctantly) with $$$ and arms to fight our 'own-made' menace, no law and order, target killings in the city i live in, rampant corruption, nepotism, fraudelant degrees, murders go un-investigated, tax evasion by the rich and mighty, more taxes on the salaried classes, no cng for autos, falling industrial production, falling exports, rising debt (domestic and external) and on, and on, and on.....

hail democracy!!!

"no education system for the lower middle class (majority population) which breeds miltantism as they fall prey to the mullah's,"
Falling in the hands of mullah is not to be worried about that much. Failing to get a good education leads to an illiterate young generation; hence, illiterate elders. Mullah part is a trickle down effect but the immediate effect is a failed state. Not many illiterate people are suicide attackers but many of them contribute to a destabilized Pakistan.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

Hi,

Pakistan is at a stage where a bloody revolution will be the only saving grace. No more tickets tp saudi arabia, dubai, america or the uk's---pakistan need justice---the copuntry needs the blood of the criminals who have soiled its name with corruption and crime---who have plundered its wealth and well being for personal gains.

Pakistan needs a bloody revolution---blood of the criminals need to flow to cleanse the stains left on th national integrity.

Well, coming from you it's a POV I would respect, although I'd have rejected it out of hand from many other people here.

I guess what I'd want to discuss, elaborate, is the following:

Who would lead the revolution? What would be it's consequences, i.e. have we though it through? How many bloody revolutions in history have been ultimately successful in giving a positive direction to societies?

These are not really 'questions' for you, MK, just points to discuss.

I'm logging off shorty, will continue this tomorrow.

 

[desiman]

The only thing that can save Pakistan is democracy, only when everyone in Pakistan will understand this is when Pakistan will be saved. Unfortunately the opinions of people are still divided on democracy because of the fear the dictators have created in regards to it. People like Gen.Musharaff have made it seem that democracy is a system destined to fail and many people still think the same way. Its a fact that the Army is too strong for the GOP to handle now and the government is a mere puppet in the hands of some generals. Rather than blaming the system catch hold of these generals who refuse to give up their power. All forces must be put under the direct control of the president or prime minister or this vicious cycle will never end.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The blame game between armed forces and politicians should stop, it is just an easy out. The constitution of Pakistan should be rewritten and Pakistan should officially declare itself, a secular state. Casinos and new beaches should open along with an urban style environment. No, we don't want to lead Muslim countries; we only want to lead Pakistan. I am religious but state and religion should be kept aside but it does not mean that state can suppress religion as it happened in England. People need freedom and the line of "that" freedom crosses the line of Islam BUT in order to generate revenues and whatnot, we have to be more secular.

 

[humblehobbes]

pakistan is on the verge of a revolt - power crisis, rising inflation, water crisis, no education system for the lower middle class (majority population) which breeds miltantism as they fall prey to the mullah's, no hospitals to provide treatment to the poor (once again), war in the north-west, threat of war in the east, diwindling resources, rising anti-americanism(sic) - the only country which is supporting us (albeit rather reluctantly) with $$$ and arms to fight our 'own-made' menace, no law and order, target killings in the city i live in, rampant corruption, nepotism, fraudelant degrees, murders go un-investigated, tax evasion by the rich and mighty, more taxes on the salaried classes, no cng for autos, falling industrial production, falling exports, rising debt (domestic and external) and on, and on, and on.....

hail democracy!!!

sorry to burst your predictions on revolt Hon'ble Sir. But our nations have remarkably thick skins and a even thicker head to comprehend the wrong and to start a noble revolution. If that were the case, the revolution must have happened during the early 1900's, but that was the time when the only Party congress was "hoping that the justice of the Britons would prevail and they would listen to their feeble voices ( which by the way was held annually like a Tea party of the Educated Elites).. Lets learn to live with it, the way we have lived till now.