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Well if there is stronger law, people with corruption atleast stay away from running gov. Right now only corrupt people are running gov. Do you think we will not have couple of 1000 people better than our corrupt politicians out of 1.2 billion people.

That's a naive assumption. Sure a tough law is good but if you just add more inspectors to catch the corrupt, how are you going to guarantee that they won't soon become like the regular inspectors making money on the side. Creating an inspector raj is not the most brilliant of solutions, its why we have the problem in the first place. While Lokpal is necessary, it is no magic wand. You need to reduce actual physical interaction between the government & the citizen for routine work. We must develop a system where the common man needs to go to no officer for his work & specifically remove any direct contact with the department involved.

To give you an example, the introduction of VAT in Karnataka almost removed 90% of bribing in the Commercial Taxes department. The introduction of Online submission of VAT & online payment of the same has further removed any necessity for meeting anyone from the department. The introduction of GST will do much the same. As we go online for more & more services, the chances for corruption are going to be reduced accordingly. Which is actually the reason we need to concentrate on the top officials (as in the government Bill) & use systems to reduce corruption in the chain below.
 
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Under pressure, Anna Hazare may tone down demands
Under pressure, Anna Hazare may tone down demands | Reuters

Supporters of an anti-graft activist whose hunger strike campaign has galvanized millions of Indians appeared to reach out to the country's embattled government on Sunday after coming under pressure to tone down their demands.

At least 50,000 people gathered on Sunday to support Anna Hazare, a 74-year-old self-styled Gandhian activist who was on his sixth day of fasting at an open ground in the capital, one of the biggest protests yet and a sign of his continuing deep popularity on the streets.

Protesters chanted "Anna, you keep fighting, we are with you," and "Hail mother India."

Hazare says the hunger strike, which involves not eating but drinking water, will continue until the government passes a tough anti-graft bill he champions.

But his insistence the government introduce this bill on Tuesday and pass it by the end of this month sparked criticism that his group was dictating policy to an elected parliament, and a leading member of Hazare's team appeared to reach for a compromise.

"We are in favor of discussion," Arvind Kejriwal told supporters on Sunday. "We want to ask the prime minister whom should we come to talk to, and when and where."

His statement came after one of India's foremost civil rights organizations, the National Campaign for People's Right to Information (NCPRI), said it would introduce its own anti-graft bill.

"I think Anna-ji is ill-advised ... anyone who says my view should be the only view is wrong," Aruna Roy, a member of the NCPRI and one of India's most famous social activists, was quoted by the local media as saying.

Hazare left jail on Friday to huge cheering crowds and widespread media coverage. He was briefly arrested on Tuesday, but then refused to leave jail until the government allowed him to continue his public fast for 15 days.

The activists' supporters say he will not fast to the death but a medical team is on hand to monitor his condition. Hazare has carried out scores of hunger strikes to pressure governments over social issues in the last few decades.

Hazare's campaign has struck a chord with millions of Indians, especially the expanding middle-class sick of endemic bribes, and has become a thorn in the side of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as his government battles corruption scandals.

The Times of India on Sunday said that more than one million people had joined the newspaper's online anti-graft campaign, and local media said there were more than 500 protests across India on Friday, the day Hazare stepped out of jail.

But criticism of Hazare, who has evoked memories of independence leader Mahatma Gandhi, appeared to increase.

"Team Anna's rhetoric is stopping to make sense," was the headline of the Mail Today on Sunday in an editorial that criticized Hazare's rush to get his bill passed.

Hazare on Sunday remained defiant, telling supporters that "it's time for another revolution."

The criticism came as Singh, widely seen as out of touch, won some praise on Saturday for saying he was open to dialogue - the first time in a week that his fumbling government appeared to have taken an initiative over the crisis.

In another sign of moves for a compromise, a ruling party lawmaker has sent Hazare's bill to a parliamentary committee for consideration, meeting a demand of the protesters.

Several scandals, including a telecoms bribery scam that may have cost the government up to $39 billion, led to Hazare demanding anti-corruption measures. But the government bill creating an anti-graft ombudsman was criticized as too weak as it exempted the prime minister and the judiciary from probes.

For many, the pro-Hazare movement has highlighted the vibrant democracy of an urban generation that wants good governance rather than government through regional strongmen or caste ties -- a transformation that may be played out in 2012 state polls that will pave the way for a 2014 general election.

A weak political opposition means that the government should survive the crisis, but it could further dim the prospect for economic reforms and hurt the Congress party in elections.

The main Hindu nationalist opposition Bharatiya Janata Party is organizing a nationwide protest against the government on Thursday, while a group of left parties is planning a national protest on Tuesday.

Bad News for those who are fighting corruption....
 
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Bad News for those who are fighting corruption....

Not bad news at all. That's how democracy works. You get a little bit of what you want & give a little bit. The art of compromise is the essence of democracy.
 
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Jab driver wapis ayaa to uske gale me fool-mala thi……….

Kapil Sibbal: Ye kya hua ?

Driver: Sir. logon ne meri puri bat hi nahi suni or khusi mein haar pahna diya… Maine to sirf ye kha Ki …"main Kapil Sibbal ka driver hoon….Kutte ka Bacha mara gaya !!
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The scenes are amazing..and i m proud..Indian flag at shops,homes,streets.
Amazing!Time for a change!
Go Anna!
 
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i think everything is playing out as planned by Team Anna. The important thing is to take quick decisions before the protest looses momentum. Anna rightly gave the government a deadline of 30th August pushing the government to start a dialogue and take a step backwards.

Now the government has agreed to many clauses from Team Anna's bill. Man of the moment is Pranab Mukherjee. The trouble shooter for Congress.

The Congress will let everyone know their position after the all party meet tomorrow morning.

Whether it is Anna's bill or Arundhati Roy's bill or any other. The government will have to bring in a strong Lokpal bill.
 
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Democracy is threatend by democratic right..hahahah..more like..Indian hypocrisy exposed!
India's anti-graft campaigner’s criticism growsBy AGENCIES


Published: Aug 23, 2011 01:00 Updated: Aug 23, 2011 01:00

NEW DELHI: Criticism mounted Monday against an Indian activist's hunger strike, with public figures saying it threatens democracy and verges on demagoguery, even as thousands crowded his protest demanding stronger anti-corruption legislation.


Indian Booker prize-winning author Arundhati Roy launched a scathing attack Monday on the "aggressive nationalism" behind the anti-corruption drive led by hunger-striking campaigner Anna Hazare.

In a column entitled "I'd rather not be Anna" published in The Hindu newspaper, the novelist, essayist and rights activist condemned both the style and substance of Hazare's campaign that has mobilized public opinion in India. In particular she questioned Hazare's use of the hunger strike and other tactics and symbols co-opted from his hero — India's independence icon Mahatma Gandhi.

"While his means may be Gandhian, Anna Hazare's demands are certainly not," Roy said.

One of India’s top Islamic clerics as well as the most prominent seat of Islamic learning in India, cautioned Muslims on Monday against joining the anti-graft drive, saying its leader Hazare lacked secular credentials.

Darul Uloom, Deoband, distanced itself from Hazare's stir against corruption and refused to jump in the protests.

"I have advised all Muslims to stay far away from Anna Hazare, because he has done nothing for Muslims," Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid said.

"Today he is fasting against corruption, but in all these years he has never even fasted half a day when communal riots occurred in the states of Gujarat and Maharashtra, killing so many people," he said.

Hazare, 74, is on the seventh day of the fast to pressure the government into accepting an anti-graft bill drafted by him and his associates, which he claims will tackle corruption effectively.

Bukhari took a swipe at the activist for calling himself a follower of independence leader Mahatma Gandhi, who used hunger strikes to great effect while fighting against British rule.

"Hazare is not a secular man. Gandhi united Hindus and Muslims, he took the whole country with him in the freedom struggle," he said.

He particularly criticized Hazare for publicly praising Gujarat state Chief Minister Narendra Modi, who is a divisive figure in India after communal riots in the state nine years ago left some 2,000 people dead, mostly Muslims.

Bukhari also objected to the campaign's use of the slogan “Vande Mataram” (Hail to the Motherland) to rally its supporters, saying it was blasphemous for Muslims.

Vande Mataram was a hymn invoked during India's independence struggle, but remains controversial among religious minorities due to certain verses that liken India to the Hindu deity Durga.

Tens of thousands have gathered every day to watch Hazare fast in Delhi's Ramlila grounds, an open-air venue where the veteran activist is enacting his hunger strike.

He has been given official permission to fast there until Sept. 2.

Roy, while agreeing that the government bill was so flawed "that it was impossible to take it seriously," she said Gandhi would have been dismayed by Hazare's vision of an all-powerful, centralized ombudsman.

"It will function as an independent administration, meant to counter the bloated, unaccountable, corrupt one that we already have. Two oligarchies instead of one," Roy said.

Roy, a vocal government critic, said she was dismayed by "the props and the choreography, the aggressive nationalism" of the Hazare movement. "They signal to us that if we do not support the fast, we are not 'true Indians'," she said.

"Who is he really, this new saint, this Voice of the People?" she asked, accusing Hazare of remaining silent on other issues like farmers' suicides in his home state of Maharashtra.

More than 70 civil society leaders including artists, students, doctors, lawyers and rights advocates sent a letter to the prime minister accusing Hazare of masquerading as the leader of an all-inclusive movement. "Only the naive would fail to notice the organized forces that are behind Anna Hazare's campaign," it said, accusing a Hindu nationalist group of stoking the campaign.

Hazare’s insistence, through a hunger strike, that only his proposal can fix the problem has also unnerved civic leaders who dispute the impression that Hazare and his team represent all of India.

"Their distrust of Parliament is hazardous and also unjustified by past experience of free India," Harsh Mander, an activist who sits on the National Advisory Council that helps set government social policy, wrote in the Hindustan Times.

Representatives of India's bottom-caste dalits, or untouchables, said Hazare's bill ignored protections needed most by the poor.

"It is an upper-caste, middle-class movement and it addresses their issues — such as bribes paid to the police or at passport offices. Peasants, vulnerable sections, don't fall in their purview," dalit activist Arun Khote was quoted over the weekend as saying by Business Standard newspaper.


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If Mahatma Gandhi would have been alive, he would have sat next to Anna Hazzare. If Dr. Ambedkar would have know that his constitution would become a shield for corrupt, he would have had lokpal in place in the 1950 constitution.

Everybody knew that there were different views on the Lokpal. Why was Arundhati Roy quite for so long. She does not even have a graft. She just had some notes that differentiate her from Jan Lok pal bill. She never struck a cord with the masses. Anna did. Therefore, Anna's Lok Pal bill is the peoples Lok Pal bill.
 
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Hazare Emerges as a National Icon in India
Hazare Emerges as a National Icon in India | Asia | English

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India's anti-corruption activist Anna Hazare waves next to a giant portrait of Mahatma Gandhi on the stage during his hunger strike in New Delhi,India, August 20, 2011


Less than six months ago, most people did not know Anna Hazare outside his home state of Maharashtra in western India, where he has long campaigned for social and political change.

After leaving his job as an army driver in the 1970’s, Hazare focused attention on transforming the drought affected village to which he belonged - Ralegan Siddhi in Maharashtra.

He spearheaded a movement to build irrigation systems to harness rain water and to grow trees. Impoverished villagers began to harvest lush crops and earn a good income. Ralegan Sidhi won the label of a model village.

Simultaneously, Hazare campaigned for social transformation, and led a movement against the consumption of alcohol and tobacco in his village, which sometimes drew controversy. Media reports have alleged he used hardline tactics such as public beatings for those who violated the drinking ban.

National emergence

In the 1990’s Hazare turned his attention to fighting corruption in Maharashtra, and began using hunger strikes to publicly shame officials into taking action. His fasts forced two ministers to resign and prompted the state government to probe graft allegations against four other ministers.

The social activist emerged on the national stage in April when he used a four-day fast to force the government to draft legislation for an anti corruption watchdog.

His protest, held under the glare of television cameras, garnered widespread attention in a nation where revelations of multi billion dollar corruption scams had shocked people who were used to stories of official corruption. That hunger strike was called off on the promise that the government would create a powerful ombudsman to fight graft.

Raghunandan Thoniparambil, who has a website called ipaidabribe, says Hazare successfully turned the spotlight on graft. “One big thing, one of the biggest gain out of this is that corruption has remained on the front page for the last one year, and I think for just that alone we need to compliment Team Anna for what they have done. Everybody is now talking about corruption,” Thoniparambil stated.

Fighting corruption

Hazare launched his second hunger strike on August 16 after accusing the government of not keeping its word and introducing what he calls a weak anti-corruption bill in parliament.

His campaign drew unprecedented public support after the government briefly arrested him to prevent the hunger strike.

In Hazare’s latest fast, he is dressed in white clothes and wears a white cap, and is frequently photographed with a huge portrait of Mahatma Gandhi behind him. His use of hunger strikes and calls for non violence echo Gandhi's campaign, and Hazare calls his own campaign India’s second independence struggle.

But Gandhi’s great grandson, Tushar Gandhi, says there are crucial differences in the way the two leaders have used fasting as an instrument of protest. Mahatma Gandhi is also known in India as “bapu” or father.

“With Anna it is more of an attempt to browbeat the government into absolute surrender and submission. It definitely is an attempt to arm twist.," Gandhi said. "With Bapu it was in his own words he said that my fast is an act of love to bring a friend back on the straight and narrow and not an attempt to vanquish an enemy….”

Despite the criticism, there is little doubt that Hazare has resonated with the public. While some political analysts question whether his campaign will succeed in rooting out widespread and deep-rooted graft, the social activist says he is willing to sacrifice his life for the cause.

Anna is the man of the Century !!! Go Anna Go !!!
 
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Janlokpal Bill :

Yesterday Government had issued an Advertisement seeking Views and opinions on the Lokpal Bill introduced in the Parliament. While we are with Annaji but will that deter Government to Stop discussion on the Lokpal Bill already presented. Maybe not. We cannot rule out the possibility of a section of the Opposition colluding with the Government on this. After all they are all "ek hi thaili ke chhate batte"!! Just a thought came to my mind, why not each one of us give her/his own opinion by email as well as snail mail. Publicly Manu Singhvi is on record that the Govt. will go through all the suggestions so through these mails and snail mails let us make them realise the sentiments of the people in General if they are not yet able to!! Further there is a provision for appearing before the "Parliamentary Panel" in person to present your views. All of us who are capable enough to argue the case of Janlok Pal should write in to appear before the Panel. The more the Governments Bill is discussed the more people will get to know why is it termed a 'jokepal'!! The last date for submission is probably 5th September 2011, but please recheck it!! So happy writing in to the Panel. Here I would sincerely add that let us do it honestly, i.e. let us not copy paste the mails sent by anyone else. Let there be genuinely written objections to the Govt. Lokpal!!!

This is one of the links to the Panel seeking Public Opinion.

Parliamentary panel seeks public opinion within 15 days on Lokpal Bill - Times Of India


Comments can be sent to Mr. KP Singh, Director, Rajya Sabha Secretariat, 201, Second Floor, Parliament House Annexe, New Delhi -110001. These may also be emailed to kpsingh@sansad.nic.in or rs-cpers@sansad.nic.in.
 
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@ All the Indians in here... Can anyone please post the entire text of the bill that Anna is pressing for, in its true form of course, here in this thread? It will only be appropriate.

I will be grateful to the one who does that.

Thanks in advance.
 
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@ All the Indians in here... Can anyone please post the entire text of the bill that Anna is pressing for, in its true form of course, here in this thread? It will only be appropriate.

I will be grateful to the one who does that.

Thanks in advance.

yeah , anyone can do that..but WHY?? :lazy:
 
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Existing System

No politician or senior officer ever goes to jail despite huge evidence because Anti Corruption Branch (ACB) and CBI directly come under the government. Before starting investigation or prosecution in any case, they have to take permission from the same bosses, against whom the case has to be investigated.

System Proposed by Civil Society

No corrupt officer is dismissed from the job because Central Vigilance Commission, which is supposed to dismiss corrupt officers, is only an advisory body. Whenever it advises government to dismiss any senior corrupt officer, its advice is never implemented.
Lokpal at centre and Lokayukta at state level will be independent bodies. ACB and CBI will be merged into these bodies. They will have power to initiate investigations and prosecution against any officer or politician without needing anyone’s permission. Investigation should be completed within 1 year and trial to get over in next 1 year. Within two years, the corrupt should go to jail.

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Existing System

No corrupt officer is dismissed from the job because Central Vigilance Commission, which is supposed to dismiss corrupt officers, is only an advisory body. Whenever it advises government to dismiss any senior corrupt officer, its advice is never implemented.

System Proposed by Civil Society


Lokpal and Lokayukta will have complete powers to order dismissal of a corrupt officer. CVC and all departmental vigilance will be merged into Lokpal and state vigilance will be merged into Lokayukta.

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Existing System

No action is taken against corrupt judges because permission is required from the Chief Justice of India to even register an FIR against corrupt judges.

System Proposed by Civil Society

Lokpal & Lokayukta shall have powers to investigate and prosecute any judge without needing anyone’s permission.

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Existing System

Nowhere to go - People expose corruption but no action is taken on their complaints.


System Proposed by Civil Society

Lokpal & Lokayukta will have to enquire into and hear every complaint.

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Existing System

There is so much corruption within CBI and vigilance departments. Their functioning is so secret that it encourages corruption within these agencies.


System Proposed by Civil Society


All investigations in Lokpal & Lokayukta shall be transparent. After completion of investigation, all case records shall be open to public. Complaint against any staff of Lokpal & Lokayukta shall be enquired and punishment announced within two months.

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Existing System

Weak and corrupt people are appointed as heads of anti-corruption agencies.


System Proposed by Civil Society


Politicians will have absolutely no say in selections of Chairperson and members of Lokpal & Lokayukta. Selections will take place through a transparent and public participatory process.

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Existing System

Citizens face harassment in government offices. Sometimes they are forced to pay bribes. One can only complaint to senior officers. No action is taken on complaints because senior officers also get their cut.


System Proposed by Civil Society

Lokpal & Lokayukta will get public grievances resolved in time bound manner, impose a penalty of Rs 250 per day of delay to be deducted from the salary of guilty officer and award that amount as compensation to the aggrieved citizen.



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Existing System

Nothing in law to recover ill gotten wealth. A corrupt person can come out of jail and enjoy that money.



System Proposed by Civil Society

Loss caused to the government due to corruption will be recovered from all accused.

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Existing System

Small punishment for corruption- Punishment for corruption is minimum 6 months and maximum 7 years.

System Proposed by Civil Society

Enhanced punishment - The punishment would be minimum 5 years and maximum of life imprisonment.




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