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Ankara's "Economic Miracle" Collapses

I dont understand why some of you guys are emotional about this article..Turkey can NOT maintain high growth rate( %7,5-%8) while her biggest import/export market i.e. Europe is in crisis..David Goldman`s title is flawed, i agree on that one..Nothing collapses but he states some accurate facts..If Turkey can manage to hold growth rate around %4-5 its more than enough for us..Take a look at Babacan`s speech;

Babacan: Turkey’s economy likely to grow by 4 percent in 2012


Speaking at a meeting held by the Independent Industrialists and Businessmen’s Association (MÜSİAD) on Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister Ali Babacan said the Turkish economy is expected to grow by 4 percent in 2012.

Babacan evaluated the country’s economy in 2011 and talked about 2012’s economic outlook. He said the pace of growth is predicted to decline slightly in 2012, but the government forecasts a 4-percent growth for the economy. The deputy prime minister said the prediction is based upon the assumption made on the straightening of European financial crises and depends on improvements that will hopefully take place in the European economy. He added, “If the assumption proves otherwise, the 4-percent growth rate could be revised.”

He noted that some perceive the drop to a 4 percent growth rate from the 7.5 percent to 8 percent of previous years as a tightening of the economy, but he explained the rate is actually what has been added to the top of last year’s figure. He underlined that 4-percent growth in 2012 would mean improvements have been made to the economy, in addition to the improvements made in 2011. Babacan mentioned inflation is currently at a rate of 10.45 percent, but the government expects this rate to decline. “A 5 percent rate of inflation is an achievable target,” he said. Babacan said high inflation figures are only temporary, and the rate will stabilize in the near future. “Inflation is not affected by monetary policies, but the developments in exchange rates, rise in energy prices, additional taxes placed on some imported textile goods as well as an increase in tobacco prices have all contributed to rises in retail prices and influenced inflation,” he said. The deputy prime minister said 2011 is expected to have concluded with a predicted 25 percent increase in the amount of loans made, and if this rate had been 35 percent, it could have caused a current account deficit (CAD) that was at least 4 percent to 5 percent higher, which would pressure the economy in difficult times.

Babacan mentioned that export rates in 2011 were the highest in the republic’s history, but he stressed the country needs to reduce its dependence on European markets and expand to markets in other parts of the world. He said exporters are expected to perform even better in 2012.

The Turkish Statistics Institute (TurkStat) announced on Tuesday that Turkey’s annualized inflation of consumer prices for the year 2011 was 10.45 percent, marking the highest figure since November 2008. Having remained below a level of 5 percent in the first quarter of 2011, inflation began a speedily rising trend starting in the second quarter. Central Bank Governor Erdem Başçı said on Monday they expect inflation to fall starting from May 2012 in line with a slowdown in Turkey’s domestic demand growth.

Babacan: Turkey
 
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Is there any Heavy Industry in Turkey?
Seems Like Tourism plays a Big Role.

Be more rational, only with tourism nobody can get avarage %8-%10 growth rate annual, tourism's share only %2,3 (2011 stats) for other %97 you can make a little seach on google.. It's highly pessimistic article by assuming the worse case scenario. Ministry of Economy expecting a %5 growth rate for the year 2012 which is less than a 2011 ( %8,5 ). However, our economy still will be stable in my opinion.
 
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Be more rational, only with tourism nobody can get avarage %8-%10 growth rate annual, tourism's share only %2,3 (2011 stats) for other %97 you can make a little seach on google.. It's highly pessimistic article by assuming the worse case scenario. Ministry of Economy expecting a %5 growth rate for the year 2012 which is less than a 2011 ( %8,5 ). However, our economy still will be stable in my opinion.

Goldman is always pessimistic..Nothing new here..Turkish economy is on the hands of professionals bro..Nothing to worry about..But we must not have the expectance to grow %8 in coming years..Stable growth rate with %4-5 is good for us..While every single country around us is facing economic crisis, if we can handle this growth rate, believe me our future is bright
 
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-ASELSAN A.Ş. ile İstanbul Denizcilik Gemi İnşa Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. arasında, bir adet Denizaltı Kurtarma Ana Gemisi'nin elektronik sistem tedariki ile ilgili olarak 5.155.043,- EUR ve 2.917.703,- TL tutarında, iki adet Kurtarma ve Yedekleme Gemisi'nin elektronik sistem tedariki ile ilgili olarak 10.389.957,EUR ve 5.719.796,- TL tutarında sözleşmeler imzalanmış olup, söz konusu sözleşmeler kapsamında teslimatlar 2012-2015 yılları arasında gerçekleştirilecektir.

-Ku-Band Satellite Communications System Project was initiated.
 
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Well, if you could brainwash the people of Turkey to buy only products "made in Turkey" or national products then we could reduce the amount of money flowing out of Turkey on electronics alone.

Turkey does not have a domestic computer brand, and we don't have enough electronics. We have some strong tv, refugerator producers like Beko, Vestel, but people don't bloody buy a tv every year like they do with cell phones! which bloody cost the same as a computer!

F***ing jackasses should do like China did with Lenovo, produce chips and everything for a pc company e.g. IBM, HP etc. or some other lesser known brand, get the know-how and then do some massive investment build a bigger factory start mass producing things.

consumer electronics is one of the areas we need to seize control of. And with the FATIH project where you use tablet for educational purpose, pretty stupid idea if you can't at least ensure computers and internet in every school before initiating a project like FATIH.
 
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Many of such "projections" fails to realize that they could not estimate American and European financial crisis just in time but have loud mouths to haggle over economic situations of Asian and Middle Easter countries.
 
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it ürür kervan yürür nasil yaziliyor la ?
dog bells but karavan going mi ? :toast_sign: söyleyin la.
 
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it ürür kervan yürür nasil yaziliyor la ?
dog bells but karavan going mi ? :toast_sign: söyleyin la.

lol, let's keep that turkish saying to ourselves.

But everyone should know the importance of electronics. How many of us doesn't use computer, cell phone.

Personally I think it's an enormous mistake to not have bought HP tablet productline when they decided to stop competing in the tablet market. Some things people will never stop using are.

Cell phones, computers (tablet, laptop, desktop), and of course the components (harddisk, chips, powersupply etc.), and watches. I don't know which ministry should be held accountable for not thinking in the right lanes, so I'll hold Erdogan accountable for this.

Turkey one of the fastest growing consumer market (I think, but not sure) in electronics and computer and internet, and the government doesn't have factories producing all the necessary electronics to feed the market. This is basic microeconomics damnit!

EDIT: here is a source, look at page 18 please.
http://www.invest.gov.tr/en-US/info...ents/HOME.APPLIANCES.ELECTRONICS.INDUSTRY.PDF
 
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Well a drop from 8.5 to 4% growth sounds close to a collapse. Some people are unnecessarily agitated.

Its called 'stabilizing' or 'cooling down' the economy , genius! Turkey CAN NOT afford to grow 8% - 9 % in the current situation. Its two main markets , Europe and Arabia , are in economic-political mess. Turkey isn't China with a billion people plus exports to whole world .... Turkey will 'cool down' and 'tighten' its economy and will be ready for the flight soon...

Turkey's growth should come from capital goods ... indigenous industrial growth and consumption...relying too much on exports is a bad deal. China has learned the lesson...Turkey should too...

Best of luck from Pakistan though :pakistan:
 
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Its called 'stabilizing' or 'cooling down' the economy , genius! Turkey CAN NOT afford to grow 8% - 9 % in the current situation. Its two main markets , Europe and Arabia , are in economic-political mess. Turkey isn't China with a billion people plus exports to whole world .... Turkey will 'cool down' and 'tighten' its economy and will be ready for the flight soon...

Turkey's growth should come from capital goods ... indigenous industrial growth and consumption...relying too much on exports is a bad deal. China has learned the lesson...Turkey should too...

Best of luck from Pakistan though :pakistan:

Which is why there should be more focus on consumer electronics, if you've looked at the link i provided, you will on page 18 that there is only one consumer electronics like pc by the name Casper absolutely ridiculous name, and no LOGO!

And they're the only company who've specialized in computer electronics, but I don't think they are producing chips etc.
 
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Which is why there should be more focus on consumer electronics, if you've looked at the link i provided, you will on page 18 that there is only one consumer electronics like pc by the name Casper absolutely ridiculous name, and no LOGO!

And they're the only company who've specialized in computer electronics, but I don't think they are producing chips etc.

The problem is as you say there is no incentives provided from the government to R&D of computer hardware and other consumer electronics. A very good analysis and example for this type of development is Taiwan and how they entered the computer market with Acer and other brands. In the beginning the government heavily invested in R&D of computer etc.
 
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The problem is as you say there is no incentives provided from the government to R&D of computer hardware and other consumer electronics. A very good analysis and example for this type of development is Taiwan and how they entered the computer market with Acer and other brands. In the beginning the government heavily invested in R&D of computer etc.

Not only in consumer electronics, today Taiwan is the biggest producer of bicycles, if I remember correctly shimano is a brand from Taiwan.
 
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Not only in consumer electronics, today Taiwan is the biggest producer of bicycles, if I remember correctly shimano is a brand from Taiwan.

I excerpt certain parts of various articles from wiki:

In 1960, the electronics industry in Taiwan was virtually nonexistent. However, with the government's focus on development of expertise with high technology, along with marketing and management knowledge to establish its own industries, companies such as TSMC and UMC were established.he industry used its industrial resources and product management experience to cooperate closely with major international suppliers to become the research and development hub of the Asia-Pacific region.

Economy of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Ten Major Construction Projects (Chinese: 十大建設) were national infrastructure projects during the 1970s in Taiwan. The government believed the state lacked key utilities such as highways, seaports, airports, and power plants. Moreover, Taiwan was experiencing significant effects from the 1973 oil crisis. Therefore, to upgrade the industry and the development of the country, the government planned to take on ten massive building projects. They were proposed by the Premier Chiang Ching-kuo, beginning in 1974, with a planned completion by 1979. There were six transportation projects, three industrial projects, and one power-plant construction project, which ultimately cost over NT$300 billion in total.

Ten Major Construction Projects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a real success story and the men behind steering the Taiwanese economy should be applauded. Turkey needs to look at countries as Taiwan and South Korea to learn how to become true economic and industrial powerhouses. We are still not fully developed because we lack in certain vital areas, such as indigineous automative industry and of course electronics.
 
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