Anger as pig heads dumped outside French mosque.

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

No need of a study; a cursory look over the threads suffices. Religion - whether Islam or any other - is often brought into the discussion by Indian bloggers, most often as a means to attack other debaters from Muslim countries.

I wouldn't deny that some Indians do engage in such nonsense, but i'd prefer something more solid, when you state : "more mentions of Islam on the posts of Indian bloggers than on those of the Pakistanis."


PS: Any comments about Hinduism being attacked here.

 

[Fazlu]

The Indian posters are maniacally producing threads about non-stories with an Islamic theme. They're obsessed about the matter. And they call themselves secular. They should get a life.

I am a Muslim and i can tell you that the country itself is quite secular. Now the "people" are not and no one should expect them to be. We discriminate just as much as any other conservative religious groups especially when it comes to marriage and inheritance.

In India you can believe what you want and do whatever you like so long as its not anti-social---you are protected by law to be able to denounce--and fight discrimination and prejudice on such grounds.

Despite the popular myth--it still hasn't turned into a "Hindu state" and is not very likely to.

 

[RFS_Br]

I am a Muslim and i can tell you that the country itself is quite secular. Now the "people" are not and no one should expect them to be. We discriminate just as much as any other conservative religious groups especially when it comes to marriage and inheritance.

In India you can believe what you want and do whatever you like so long as its not anti-social---you are protected by law to be able to denounce--and fight discrimination and prejudice on such grounds.

Despite the popular myth--it still hasn't turned into a "Hindu state" and is not very likely to.

Now, this is quite what I had in mind. The Indian constitution seems to be overall progressive -- but this doesn't of necessity reflect on everyday life, does it? That's OK if it doesn't.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Now, this is quite what I had in mind. The Indian constitution seems to be overall progressive -- but this doesn't of necessity reflect on everyday life, does it?

yes it is true for older generations ..

but when it comes to younger generations they are much more liberal and flexible .. especially the educated ones . over all it's a mixture every kind of people.

 

[RFS_Br]

So You are just another Abrahamic

Seriously It is out of the Intellectual Capability to understand.

Your Fellows are trying too hard to understand it in the other thread!

My family is Catholic, but myself, I couldn't care less about religion. Even most Catholics here dislike public discussions on religion (the Evangelicals are a bit different, though). So I don't know what point you're trying to make.

OK, you're saying that, in India, religion and state have always been separated. But hasn't caste, a religious concept, traditionally determined a huge part of an individual Hindu's life -- his occupation, marriage, his relations with the state (including in the state apparatus), etc.? I don't want to get in a conversion about Hinduism in India, about neither of which I have much knowledge. But I find it hard to believe that India has always been secular, that religion has never gotten in bed with the state there. This is anomalous, frankly. In all regions of the world, religious authorities have had influence also on secular administrations, and this doesn't apply to us Abrahamics only. Socrates got killed in Athens -- the world's first democracy -- because of blasphemany charges. And Greece wasn't Abrahamic at that time.

 

[Fazlu]

Now, this is quite what I had in mind. The Indian constitution seems to be overall progressive -- but this doesn't of necessity reflect on everyday life, does it?

No. But it is so much more better in comparison with surrounding countries. China--if you take the plight of Muslims. Pakistan--If you take the plight of minorities.

I feel the government pandered to our community so much that others felt threatened. Instead of introducing a uniform civil code our successive governments allowed special concessions and privileges JUST for Muslims and other minorities.

Incidentally--did you know that there are reservations set apart exclusively for minorities in India that we get priority and reduced qualification requirements to secure employment ?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

My family is Catholic, but myself, I couldn't care less about religion. Even most Catholics here dislike public discussions on religion (the Evangelicals are a bit different, though). So I don't know what point you're trying to make.

OK, you're saying that, in India, religion and state have always been separated.

But hasn't caste, a religious concept, traditionally determined a huge part of an individual Hindu's life -- his occupation, marriage, his relations with the state, etc.?

As for the bolded part, people of lower caste get reservations in Govt and educational institutions.

Also the Constitution of India was written by a Dalit (low cast) himself.


As for the occupation :

Nothing in the Indian constitution prevents a low caste chap from being the President of the nation or a scientist or whatever.

Caste - discrimination is largely in villages.

 

[United]

I am a Muslim and i can tell you that the country itself is quite secular. Now the "people" are not and no one should expect them to be. We discriminate just as much as any other conservative religious groups especially when it comes to marriage and inheritance.

In India you can believe what you want and do whatever you like so long as its not anti-social---you are protected by law to be able to denounce--and fight discrimination and prejudice on such grounds.

Despite the popular myth--it still hasn't turned into a "Hindu state" and is not very likely to.

R u sure u r in India?

India is a corporate, Hindu state: Arundhati - India News - IBNLive

ARUNDHATI ROY: India is a corporate Hindu State « churumuri

Is India a

India must be officially declared a Hindu state: Narain Kataria

Declare India a Hindu state: VHP - India - DNA

Babri Verdict unofficially makes India a Hindu State: Azam Khan

India is a corporate, Hindu state- Arundhati 1 - YouTube

Grow up India is a Hindu state.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

R u sure u r in India?

India is a corporate, Hindu state: Arundhati - India News - IBNLive

ARUNDHATI ROY: India is a corporate Hindu State « churumuri

Is India a

India must be officially declared a Hindu state: Narain Kataria

Declare India a Hindu state: VHP - India - DNA

Babri Verdict unofficially makes India a Hindu State: Azam Khan

India is a corporate, Hindu state- Arundhati 1 - YouTube

Grow up India is a Hindu state.

Does India identify herself as a theocratic state?

Grow up and learn basic definitions.

 

[RFS_Br]

No. But it is so much more better in comparison with surrounding countries. China--if you take the plight of Muslims. Pakistan--If you take the plight of minorities.

I feel the government pandered to our community so much that others felt threatened. Instead of introducing a uniform civil code our successive governments allowed special concessions and privileges JUST for Muslims and other minorities.

Incidentally--did you know that there are reservations set apart exclusively for minorities in India that we get priority and reduced qualification requirements to secure employment ?

Perhaps the state is secular, but are you sure India is better than those two countries when it comes to social tolerance? Pew Research has produced an index on religious freedom measuring both state restrictions on religion and social relations between religious groups. Though India is freer than China, it does worst among all top 20 countries in population size -- including Pakistan and China -- at the social hostilities scale, indicating that relations on the ground between religious groups are not good.

The link here:
Religious Restrictions in the 25 Most Populous Countries - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

 

[Bang Galore]

Now, this is quite what I had in mind. The Indian constitution seems to be overall progressive -- but this doesn't of necessity reflect on everyday life, does it? That's OK if it doesn't.

It doesn't & it won't. Most individuals have biases, some more open about it; others more discreet. The state cannot regulate how you think, all it can do is to offer equal protection to everyone regardless of their religious orientation. Indian attitudes have evolved & while you will always see disgraceful examples, remember that they are not necessarily representative. After all, the constitution was drafted by Indians themselves; great Indians to be sure but Indians nevertheless. Plenty of distance covered, plenty more to go.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Perhaps the state is secular, but are you sure India is better than those two countries when it comes to social tolerance? Pew Research has produced an index on religious freedom measuring both state restrictions on religion and social relations between religious groups. Though India is freer than China, it does worst among all top 20 countries in population size -- including Pakistan and China -- at the social hostilities scale, indicating that relations on the ground between religious groups are not good.

The link here:
Religious Restrictions in the 25 Most Populous Countries - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Simple logic

Among India , China, Pakistan, who has largest group of religious minorities?

India its 20%

China unknown, but certainly nowhere close to India.

Pakistan 2-3 %

Where do think there"ll be a greater frequencies of event of social hostilities among religious groups?

 

[T-Rex]

Unless and unless the Islamists are Erased, Such acts ain't going to Stop!

Or unless such hate crimes are eradicated 'terrorism' ain't going to stop!

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

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[Fazlu]

Perhaps the state is secular, but are you sure India is better than those two countries when it comes to social tolerance? Pew Research has produced an index on religious freedom measuring both state restrictions on religion and social relations between religious groups. Though India is freer than China, it does worst among all top 20 countries in population size -- including Pakistan and China -- at the social hostilities scale, indicating that relations on the ground between religious groups are not good.

You see only what you want to see. I live here and coming from a family of bureaucrats and one army officer ( brother )--i am able to get a clearer picture of the situation across the country.

In comparison ? Yes sir. Absolutely.