Angela Merkel agrees to prosecution of comedian over Erdoğan poem

[MarkusS]

You got it wrong, Turkey stands for will, power and honor. Time has shown this, and time will surely show this again. A hundred years of stagnation is no indicator for what we are. Our civilization and history speaks for itself, i can respect Italy and Rome for your former empire. But our ex vilayet like Bulgaristan and Rum should just shut their mouth, they have no say in this, especially Romanya has absolutely no stake in this refugee crisis, they are a poor, backward small insignificant country. So is Bulgaristan, if it weren't for England and Russia these countries would still know their place as our ex vilayets

I have a question my friend. Why do you think the osmanian empire is seen so incredible negative in history classes. "the sick man of the bosporus" is just one name chosen for it. We learn in school not one positive thing about it. I know the italian city states during the renaissance were in constant war with the osmanian empire. We had some of our greatest victories against the osmanian empire. Like lepanto where we destroyed the osmanian fleet completly under commander Andrea Doria. I know the osmanians tried to conquer Roma for centuries. as far as i know your Sultans saw it as their central goal. The italian city states fought some of the hardest battles in the mediterranean history about this and we won. Some time later the osmanians accepted this and just stopped any further attacks.

How do turks see this? Are you angry about this or have respect for our military staff like

Andrea Doria

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I have a question my friend. Why do you think the osmanian empire is seen so incredible negative in history classes. "the sick man of the bosporus" is just one name chosen for it. We learn in school not one positive thing about it. I know the italian city states during the renaissance were in constant war with the osmanian empire. We had some of our greatest victories against the osmanian empire. Like lepanto where we destroyed the osmanian fleet completly under commander Andrea Doria. I know the osmanians tried to conquer Roma for centuries. as far as i know your Sultans saw it as their central goal. The italian city states fought some of the hardest battles in the mediterranean history about this and we won. Some time later the osmanians accepted this and just stopped any further attacks.

How do turks see this? Are you angry about this or have respect for our military staff like

Andrea Doria

Osmanli Imparatorlugu was in a very fragile state during 19th and 20th century. This is natural though, because the empire had lasted for over 6 centuries. But in its good years, like Kanuni Sultan Suleyman or Fatih Sultan Mehmet we were a force to be reckoned with and respected worldwide. THerefore i understand how Ottoman is taught in Europe, because we were enemies for many centuries, but Ottoman sultans had good relations with some Italian city states.
Turks have never had any real issues with Italians.
But our former provinces should behave like good boys, Romanya Bulgaristan etc

 

[MarkusS]

Osmanli Imparatorlugu was in a very fragile state during 19th and 20th century. This is natural though, because the empire had lasted for over 6 centuries. But in its good years, like Kanuni Sultan Suleyman or Fatih Sultan Mehmet we were a force to be reckoned with and respected worldwide. THerefore i understand how Ottoman is taught in Europe, because we were enemies for many centuries, but Ottoman sultans had good relations with some Italian city states.
Turks have never had any real issues with Italians.
But our former provinces should behave like good boys, Romanya Bulgaristan etc

You use a latin word for your empire? I didn´t know this. Imperator

 

[Zulkarneyn]

You use a latin word for your empire? I didn´t know this. Imperator

Yep we say imprarator as well, in the end we took over the Eastern Roman Empire when we conquered Istanbul
Our sultans even saw themselves as continuation of Eastern Roman Empire because they were rulers of Constantinople the capital

 

[MarkusS]

Yep we say imprarator as well, in the end we took over the Eastern Roman Empire when we conquered Istanbul
Our sultans even saw themselves as continuation of Eastern Roman Empire because they were rulers of Constantinople the capital

Thats strange dont you think, that one qould give up his own base and try to base his foundation on the enemy.

If you look what we did when we conquered egypt, we made our emperor the Pharao. That means he had a double office. Emperor of rome and pharao of egypt. He would even wear pharaonic clothes when visiting egypt.

Here for example you can see this.

Face and hairstyle show he is roman but dressed as pharao when in egypt. i think thats interesting.

 

[Hamza913]

I don't get how vulgar and 3rd rate jokes , that serves no purpose what so ever , is a kind a freedom that should be allowed to be exercised. This free speech thing is a good political tool used by opportunist. Sanity and logic dictates that U don't have the freedom to offend. But post-enlightenment westerners lacking a morally sound intellect , don't get it. Btw every society and culture sensors certain speech. There's a red line that can not be crossed.



The guy broke german law regarding "for insults against organs or representatives of foreign states" . U should have read the article before practicing your freedom of speech. Free speech without knowledge is just babbling.

FFS he isn't God, he can be insulted in foreign countries, maybe not his own, but certainly in foreign countries.

 

[-SINAN-]

One must understand....that it's not about comedian but it's about insulting the president on the German state channel. But i'm aware for the idiots it's hard to understand....so, i might repeat a few more times.

Anyways, we are not expecting anything to come out of the rotten European values.

How do turks see this? Are you angry about this or have respect for our military staff like

Andrea Doria

Lol, look at the example he is giving....who the fvck is Andrea Doria...

Just another loser against Ottomans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza

Here is a real Admiral that you know very well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_invasion_of_Otranto

You use a latin word for your empire? I didn´t know this. Imperator

Historically it's "Devlet-i Aliyye-i Osmâniyye".

 

[MarkusS]

One must understand....that it's not about comedian but it's about insulting the president on the German state channel. But i'm aware for the idiots it's hard to understand....so, i might repeat a few more times.

Anyways, we are not expecting anything to come out of the rotten European values.



Lol, look at the example he is giving....who the fvck is Andrea Doria...

Just another loser against Ottomans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza

Here is a real Admiral that you know very well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_invasion_of_Otranto


Historically it's "Devlet-i Aliyye-i Osmâniyye".

Andrea Doria is the general who destroyed your fleet and pushed the ottoman empire out of the mediterranean. From then on the turks know only one direction...downwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

Thanks also for your link about Otranto. It also featured the liberation from the turks. AFAIk not one turk was left alive. Not one was taken as POW. They were all killed.

 

[MarkusS]

@Sinan

Merkel betrayed you guys. The very moment she announced that she will allow prosection she also said that she will abolish that paragraph until 2018.

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutsch...l-und-ihr-peinliches-possenspiel-6801950.html

That absicly makes the entire case null and void. The lawyer, court ect must just keep pushing that entire process until 2018 and it just ends with no result.

This means that entire bla bla is nothing but hot air.

So whats the result of all of this? Bohmermann gets more publicity. Erdogan showed once again that turkey is not a european nation and a dictatorship and Merkel has her typical double faced solutions that in the end help only herself.

As the article states...what we witness here is once again a theatre orchestrated by merkel. She once again fools the german people, german justice system, the turkish president. She generated a case and killed it at the very same time.

 

[-SINAN-]

@Sinan

Merkel betrayed you guys. The very moment she announced that she will allow prosection she also said that she will abolish that paragraph until 2018.

http://www.stern.de/politik/deutsch...l-und-ihr-peinliches-possenspiel-6801950.html

That absicly makes the entire case null and void. The lawyer, court ect must just keep pushing that entire process until 2018 and it just ends with no result.

This means that entire bla bla is nothing but hot air.

So whats the result of all of this? Bohmermann gets more publicity. Erdogan showed once again that turkey is not a european nation and a dictatorship and Merkel has her typical double faced solutions that in the end help only herself.

As the article states...what we witness here is once again a theatre orchestrated by merkel. She once again fools the german people, german justice system, the turkish president. She generated a case and killed it at the very same time.

I dunno about the case...what i know this is done in the state channel. Not on youtube or sort of that stuff....this is wrong. I heard that guy, left the country already.....

Merkel is double faced ??? Rest at ease.....we know whole Europe is double-faced.

"Open your borders take all refugees in but don't let them come to Europe."

Thanks also for your link about Otranto. It also featured the liberation from the turks. AFAIk not one turk was left alive. Not one was taken as POW. They were all killed.

So,not True...." The Turkish garrison in Otranto was forced to negotiate with the Christian forces which permitted the Turks to withdraw to Albania."

 

[MarkusS]

I dunno about the case...what i know this is done in the state channel. Not on youtube or sort of that stuff....this is wrong. I heard that guy, left the country already.....

Merkel is double faced ??? Rest at ease.....we know whole Europe is double-faced.

"Open your borders take all refugees in but don't let them come to Europe."



So,not True...." The Turkish garrison in Otranto was forced to negotiate with the Christian forces which permitted the Turks to withdraw to Albania."

That case is a non issue. If you believe any european nation backs down infront a oriental despot i must disappoint you.

Merkel pulled her usual pocket player tricks. And no the guy did not leave. He makes abreak for 4 weeks, which is understandable.

Meanwhile others bring much more spots regarding...goats that Erdogan can wish for. He is now openly called terrorist, genocidal maniac, sodomist and worse. Oliver Kalkofe yesterday caleld Erdogan a pedophile for example.

Here one example for you:

german satirical magazine "Postillion" quotes the leader of the goat councel:

http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/04/zentralrat-ziegen-bohmermann.html

The goats say that no goat ever had any sexual contacts with Erdogan and that this accusation would be an insult for all goats.

Thats what i mean...we see a satiricial battle royale in europe right now. I can´t remember ever before that a leader of state was that much attacked as Erdogan is right now.

As for Otranto, we liberated it and pushed the savages out.

As for Doria, Tell me, how much turks died at Lepanto? Was it more than at Vienna or less?

I must say i hold great pride in the fact that you tried so hard to conquer Italy...and failed. In the end you collapsed into what you are today...After Lepanto you went downwards.

I thank god who gave my ancestors the strength to fight for our freedom.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

That case is a non issue. If you believe any european nation backs down infront a oriental despot i must disappoint you.

Merkel pulled her usual pocket player tricks. And no the guy did not leave. He makes abreak for 4 weeks, which is understandable.

Meanwhile others bring much more spots regarding...goats that Erdogan can wish for. He is now openly called terrorist, genocidal maniac, sodomist and worse. Oliver Kalkofe yesterday caleld Erdogan a pedophile for example.

Here one example for you:

german satirical magazine "Postillion" quotes the leader of the goat councel:

http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/04/zentralrat-ziegen-bohmermann.html

The goats say that no goat ever had any sexual contacts with Erdogan and that this accusation would be an insult for all goats.

Thats what i mean...we see a satiricial battle royale in europe right now. I can´t remember ever before that a leader of state was that much attacked as Erdogan is right now.

As for Otranto, we liberated it and pushed the savages out.

As for Doria, Tell me, how much turks died at Lepanto? Was it more than at Vienna or less?

I must say i hold great pride in the fact that you tried so hard to conquer Italy...and failed. In the end you collapsed into what you are today...After Lepanto you went downwards.

I thank god who gave my ancestors the strength to fight for our freedom.

We are young, you are old, buddy. We have millions of patriots in Europe, trust me, Turks never assimilate, even if they are born within a foreign country, we are like that, very patriotic and conscious of our values. Don't thank too much, we are in posession of many fragmented groups and can steer them in any direction we wish. Turkey is not that old feeble country that you all think we are, the more you devalue and attack us, the stronger national unity you create, both within Turkey and without. We don't wish to harm Europe including Italy, but stop playing your hypocritical games with us, the Syrian refugees aren't our responsibility, either man up and take some responsibility as well, or you can build walls and create millions of potential jobless youth with no future or hope, and this is recipe for terrorism, not something you or we would wish.
What is your proposition, that we close all our Syrian+Iraq borders and let them slaughter each other? Do you honestly think this plan will be more healthy, for Europe, Turkey and the entire globe? I know you are xenophobe, but even for a xenophobe, you would strategize that which is strategically best for your own nation. Think long term

 

[MarkusS]

We are young, you are old, buddy. We have millions of patriots in Europe, trust me, Turks never assimilate, even if they are born within a foreign country, we are like that, very patriotic and conscious of our values. Don't thank too much, we are in posession of many fragmented groups and can steer them in any direction we wish. Turkey is not that old feeble country that you all think we are, the more you devalue and attack us, the stronger national unity you create, both within Turkey and without. We don't wish to harm Europe including Italy, but stop playing your hypocritical games with us, the Syrian refugees aren't our responsibility, either man up and take some responsibility as well, or you can build walls and create millions of potential jobless youth with no future or hope, and this is recipe for terrorism, not something you or we would wish.
What is your proposition, that we close all our Syrian+Iraq borders and let them slaughter each other? Do you honestly think this plan will be more healthy, for Europe, Turkey and the entire globe? I know you are xenophobe, but even for a xenophobe, you would strategize that which is strategically best for your own nation. Think long term

I´m propably younger than you buddy.

But that said. You want to know my solution? Its the solution put into action right now. Those syrians dont belong to europe and will not be let in. They aren´t european. Their culture is not compatible with ours. Europe can´t take them and won´t take them.

The fence and defensive walls are just one side of the coin. The other side is that we must do evrything we can to stabilize syria. Pution created a solution opportunity. He shifted balance towards Assad and that gives us the posibility to help Syria stand on its feet again. We must help secure syria and bring the people in camps close to syria. Once syria is safe we can bring the people back where they belong too,

We just start a similar approach in libya and it looks very promising.

 

[-SINAN-]

That case is a non issue. If you believe any european nation backs down infront a oriental despot i must disappoint you.

Merkel pulled her usual pocket player tricks. And no the guy did not leave. He makes abreak for 4 weeks, which is understandable.

Meanwhile others bring much more spots regarding...goats that Erdogan can wish for. He is now openly called terrorist, genocidal maniac, sodomist and worse. Oliver Kalkofe yesterday caleld Erdogan a pedophile for example.

Here one example for you:

german satirical magazine "Postillion" quotes the leader of the goat councel:

http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/04/zentralrat-ziegen-bohmermann.html

The goats say that no goat ever had any sexual contacts with Erdogan and that this accusation would be an insult for all goats.

Thats what i mean...we see a satiricial battle royale in europe right now. I can´t remember ever before that a leader of state was that much attacked as Erdogan is right now.

You can insult Turks as much as you want.....that's the mark we left on Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism
Mamma li Turchi! ("Oh mother, the Turks are coming!") is one of the most used Italian phrase to suggest an imminent danger, as when the Ottoman Turks threatened Europe

As for Otranto, we liberated it and pushed the savages out.

As for Doria, Tell me, how much turks died at Lepanto? Was it more than at Vienna or less?

I must say i hold great pride in the fact that you tried so hard to conquer Italy...and failed. In the end you collapsed into what you are today...After Lepanto you went downwards.

I thank god who gave my ancestors the strength to fight for our freedom.

What.....we tried to conquer Italy ? Our direction was toward Vienna. We lost some wars and won some....but only ultimately we could be stopped at the Vienna in 1683....congrats Western world could stop us after six hundred years.

Invasion of Otronto was done at the decision of an Ottoman general.....What you encountered was a very small proportion of Ottoman Army.

But that said. You want to know my solution? Its the solution put into action right now. Those syrians dont belong to europe and will not be let in. They aren´t european. Their culture is not compatible with ours. Europe can´t take them and won´t take them.

The fence and defensive walls are just one side of the coin. The other side is that we must do evrything we can to stabilize syria. Pution created a solution opportunity. He shifted balance towards Assad and that gives us the posibility to help Syria stand on its feet again. We must help secure syria and bring the people in camps close to syria. Once syria is safe we can bring the people back where they belong too,

We just start a similar approach in libya and it looks very promising.

Okay, very good.....but i think you just forget to add isis into your equation.....Putin done nothing against ISIS, all he did was to weaken FSA.

 

[libertad]

Would Merkel had referred to this law if it some tin pot dictator from Africa? I don't think so. Erdogan's ego is out of control and this will backfire on him.