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"Ancient India" was in Pakistan region, not present-day India.

The others I can understand for they are dumb as shit but you are far more inteligent. What you have written is 100 percent correct that those Greeks you mentioned considered parts east of the Indus basin as India as well but and this is the main point, the author in the op is talking about history even earlier than the men you have mentioned. There is no doubt that in the time of Alexander and Darius before him Hind and later Ind referenced parts of modern Pakistan only, because as stated in the OP the Persians did not consider there to be anything further east and what the Greeks of the era knew pf those regions came from their interactions with Persians.That of course meant all lands east which as I mentioned before included places like Indonesia which were referred to as the East Indies.
And how exactly this conclusion has been achieved?The Persian boundary ended at Hydaspes (Jhelum) enough west to the eastern border of present modern Pakistan and further east there were a number of powerful kingdoms. It is difficult to assume that Persian historians did not know about these regions.If you have read Herodotus (I am sure you have) you can clearly see he had a fair idea about the ethno-cultural diversity of the region which matches all the description of North and North western part of India today. Only problem was he could see only things the Persian historians had let him see in Egypt and Babylon.

In fact Alexander did not know there were further kingdoms east until he had arrived in the region himself and it was under his successor the Selecids that anything further east was added as a part of "India".
Alexander did not have any idea about the region 'Asia' either. Plutarch in the very beginning of his work tells us about how curious Alexander was about the unseen land he would once conquer. Does that mean Asia never existed before Greek army set foot on it? The Greeks had of course limited idea about the geographical limit of the land called 'India' in the East but the more they proceeded they did not identify with individual names of kingdoms but in a generalized cultural and geographic expression which had nothing to do with the present 'political India'. This had been the case at the time of Darius, it happened during Arrian and Plutarch and continued for the next thousand years.
 
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Another attempt to steal the heritage of India! :lol:

Pakistan and Pakistanis should understand one thing
Claim that you were a part of India and inheritors of Indian Heritage - no issues, claim that you were the only inheritors of Indian heritage, Indians and the World will laugh on you silly :D
 
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Pakistan comes into existence only after 1947, before that is was part of India.
 
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Clearly not, otherwise we wouldn't be posting here, ancient Ivc belongs to us, come and claim it if you can

What's more pathetic is your crying about something you have zero knowledge, who mentioned Dravidians? And IVC ppl just got up and vanished? Keep dreaming it's our land our history our geography you have to live with it

Whatever makes you sleep tonight. Black US citizens are not even 10% of total population today, once they were 100%. But hey you can imagine whatever you like. It costs nothing
 
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Whatever makes you sleep tonight. Black US citizens are not even 10% of total population today, once they were 100%. But hey you can imagine whatever you like. It costs nothing

Dude go to sleep, honestly hindutvas are embarrassing historians.
 
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Another attempt to steal the heritage of India! :lol:

Pakistan and Pakistanis should understand one thing
Claim that you were a part of India and inheritors of Indian Heritage - no issues, claim that you were the only inheritors of Indian heritage, Indians and the World will laugh on you silly :D

You guys try your level best to hijack old heritage of our peoples, but world will never accept your claim. So keep trying and by the way IVC civilization was not even followers of Shaivism, Vaishnavism or Shaktism etc (i didn't called them hindu b/c there is no religion called Hindu in past 5000 years and it is just a new invention of past 70 to 80 years). They probably atheist or some other religion so even religion wise you can't claim that.
 
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For starters in the history of Ancient India, the following passages from various Greek chronicles and travel logs are strictly recommended before coming into any hilarious hypothesis.

Ancient India @Megasthenes

India, which is in shape quadrilateral, has its eastern as well as its western side bounded by the great sea, but on the northern side it is divided by Mount Hemodos from that part of Skythia which is inhabited by those Skythians who are called the Sakai, while the fourth or western side is bounded by the river called the Indus, which is perhaps the largest of all rivers in the world after the Nile. The extent of the whole country from east to west is said to be 28,000 stadia, and from north to south 32,000. Being thus of such vast extent, it seems well-nigh to embrace the whole of the northern tropic zone of the earth, and in fact at the extreme point of India the gnomon of the sundial may frequently be observed to cast no shadow, while the constellation of the Bear is by night invisible, and in the remotest parts even Arcturus disappears from view. Consistently with this, it is also stated that shadows there fall to the southward

Ancient India @Arrian

But Ctesias of Cnidus affirms that the land of India is equal in size to the rest of Asia, which is absurd; and Onesicritus is absurd, who says that India is a third of the entire world; Nearchus, for his part, states that the journey through the actual plain of India is a four months' journey. Megasthenes would have the breadth of India that from east to west which others call its length; and he says that it is of sixteen thousand stades, at its shortest stretch. From north to south, then, becomes for him its length, and it extends twenty-two thousand three hundred stades, to its narrowest point. The Indian rivers are greater than any others in Asia; greatest are the Ganges and the Indus, whence the land gets its name.

Ancient India @Plutarch

As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed
their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was •thirty-two furlongs, its depth •a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at‑arms and horsemen and elephants. 3 For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand fighting elephants. And there was no boasting in these reports. For Androcottus, who reigned there not long afterwards, made a present to Seleucus of five hundred elephants, and with an army of six hundred thousand men overran and subdued all India.
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From the above passages, what is the only thing obvious here? The answer is quite simple. The Greek records of ancient India did not merely stop at Indus basin. The further they advanced, their idea of geographical India became gradually more transparent. The Greek expression of the territory beyond East of Indus was strictly a geography called 'India'. just as anything beyond East of Aegean sea was Asia whose eastern limits were yet to be explored by them.

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/18/...ribedByMegasthenesAndArrianByMccrindleJ.W.pdf

India meant "land of Indus" in Greek. Indus was the Greek version of "Sindh". The Arabs and Persians called the land east of Indus as "Hind", for they had no "S" in their language. Present day "India" is anything but "land of Indus". Modern India is should be called Gangaland. And foreigners use to generalize all other regions in the world. Like for Arabs, the whole central Asia was collectively "Khorasan"...

And Pakistan indeed has a relatively separate history from India. The truth is that most of those "ancient Indians" were actually ancestors of Pakistanis than modern day Indians...India was unified for the first time by the British. Before that, the whole sub-continent was called "hindustan", "Hind" etc. And why aren't you guys as keen to claim Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as you are for Pakistan? :D

In fact north west Indian hindu/sikhs from punjabi, himacheli, jammu are the ones who are in fore front in differentiating between their history and Indian history of east, central and south india. We don't have to do much work but we support their struggle.

I heard Biharis have conquered the Indian Punjab and Himachalis have passed property laws to defend their hometown, but only in vain as even there the Bihari invasion has started.
 
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Pakistan comes into existence only after 1947, before that is was part of India.
India comes into existence only after 1947 plus one day after Pakistan

For starters in the history of Ancient India, the following passages from various Greek chronicles and travel logs are strictly recommended before coming into any hilarious hypothesis.

Ancient India @Megasthenes

India, which is in shape quadrilateral, has its eastern as well as its western side bounded by the great sea, but on the northern side it is divided by Mount Hemodos from that part of Skythia which is inhabited by those Skythians who are called the Sakai, while the fourth or western side is bounded by the river called the Indus, which is perhaps the largest of all rivers in the world after the Nile. The extent of the whole country from east to west is said to be 28,000 stadia, and from north to south 32,000. Being thus of such vast extent, it seems well-nigh to embrace the whole of the northern tropic zone of the earth, and in fact at the extreme point of India the gnomon of the sundial may frequently be observed to cast no shadow, while the constellation of the Bear is by night invisible, and in the remotest parts even Arcturus disappears from view. Consistently with this, it is also stated that shadows there fall to the southward

Ancient India @Arrian

But Ctesias of Cnidus affirms that the land of India is equal in size to the rest of Asia, which is absurd; and Onesicritus is absurd, who says that India is a third of the entire world; Nearchus, for his part, states that the journey through the actual plain of India is a four months' journey. Megasthenes would have the breadth of India that from east to west which others call its length; and he says that it is of sixteen thousand stades, at its shortest stretch. From north to south, then, becomes for him its length, and it extends twenty-two thousand three hundred stades, to its narrowest point. The Indian rivers are greater than any others in Asia; greatest are the Ganges and the Indus, whence the land gets its name.

Ancient India @Plutarch

As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed
their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse, they violently opposed Alexander when he insisted on crossing the river Ganges also, the width of which, as they learned, was •thirty-two furlongs, its depth •a hundred fathoms, while its banks on the further side were covered with multitudes of men-at‑arms and horsemen and elephants. 3 For they were told that the kings of the Ganderites and Praesii were awaiting them with eighty thousand horsemen, two hundred thousand footmen, eight thousand chariots, and six thousand fighting elephants. And there was no boasting in these reports. For Androcottus, who reigned there not long afterwards, made a present to Seleucus of five hundred elephants, and with an army of six hundred thousand men overran and subdued all India.
.........................................................................................................................................................

From the above passages, what is the only thing obvious here? The answer is quite simple. The Greek records of ancient India did not merely stop at Indus basin. The further they advanced, their idea of geographical India became gradually more transparent. The Greek expression of the territory beyond East of Indus was strictly a geography called 'India'. just as anything beyond East of Aegean sea was Asia whose eastern limits were yet to be explored by them.

https://ia600501.us.archive.org/18/...ribedByMegasthenesAndArrianByMccrindleJ.W.pdf
Completely missing the point of the thread, Indus Valley Civilisation Was flourishing 2500 Years before before megasthenes,Arian or Plutarch came about, This is a map below of the world according to Herodotus who came before any of those Greek philosophers you mentioned. Megasthenes, Plutarch , Arian were either around the time or after Alexander's conquests therefore they may have contact with mauryas and purus, panda as etc who by that time had settled in the Gangetic plains

File:Herodotus world map-en.svg - Wikimedia Commons

The world according to Greeks in 500 bc

http://www.livius.org/a/1/maps/herodotus_map.gif

Whatever makes you sleep tonight. Black US citizens are not even 10% of total population today, once they were 100%. But hey you can imagine whatever you like. It costs nothing
You need to lay off the drugs, and stop dreaming of Black U.S. CITIZENS bro
 
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India comes into existence only after 1947 plus one day after Pakistan......

Please read the original text of the Parliament, titled "Indian Independence Act" dated 18th July 1947:

Indian Independence Act, 1947.

CHAPTER 30.

An Act to make provision for the setting up in India of two independent Dominions, to substitute other provisions for certain provisions of the Government of India Act, 1935, which apply outside those Dominions, and to provide for, other matters consequential on or connected with the setting up of those Dominions.

Be it enacted by the King's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and
Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows :-

1.-(i) As from the fifteenth day of August, nineteen hundred and forty-seven, two independent Dominions shall be set up in India, to be known respectively as India and Pakistan.

(2) The said Dominions are hereafter in this Act referred to as "the new Dominions", and the said fifteenth day of August
is hereafter in this Act referred to as " the appointed day ".

2.-(1) Subject to the provisions of subsections (3) and (4) Territories of this section, the territories of India shall be the territories under the new the sovereignty of His Majesty which, immediately before the appointed day, were included in British India except the territories which, under subsection (2) of this section, are to be the territories of Pakistan.
 
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If Gandhara was already under Achaemenid rule, Darius' Hindu must have lain beyond it, and so to the south or east. Later Iranian records refer to Sindhu, presumably an adoption of the Sanskrit spelling, whence derives the word `Sind', now Pakistan's southernmost province. It seems unlikely though, that Sindhu was Sind in the late sixth century BC, since Darius subsequently found it necessary to send a naval expedition to explore the Indus. Flowing through the middle of Sind, the river would surely have been familiar to any suzerain of the region. More probably, then, Hindu lay east of Gandhara, perhaps as a wedge of territory between it, the jana-padas of eastern Panjab, and deserts of Rajasthan. It thus occupied much of what is now the Panjab province of Pakistan.



Herodotus, of course, knew only of the Indus region, and that by hearsay. Hence he did not report that the land of Hindu was of sensational extent, nor did he deny the popular belief that beyond its furthest desert, where in reality the Gangetic plain interminably spreads, lay the great ocean which supposedly encircled the world; Hindu or `India' (but in fact Pakistan) was therefore believed to be the end of terra firma, a worthy culmination to any emperor's ambitions as well as a fabulous addition to his portfolio of conquests. In abbreviated form, Herodotus' History circulated widely. A hundred years after his death it was still avidly read by northern Greeks in Macedonia, where a teenage Alexander `knew it well enough to quote and follow its stories'
 
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Pakistan was created by those masters of yours :pakistan: otherwise it was part of India ... as you can see in that pic.

We came up with idea and name on our own. While rest of it was left as master originally conquered.

India meant "land of Indus" in Greek. Indus was the Greek version of "Sindh". The Arabs and Persians called the land east of Indus as "Hind", for they had no "S" in their language. Present day "India" is anything but "land of Indus". Modern India is should be called Gangaland. And foreigners use to generalize all other regions in the world. Like for Arabs, the whole central Asia was collectively "Khorasan"...

And Pakistan indeed has a relatively separate history from India. The truth is that most of those "ancient Indians" were actually ancestors of Pakistanis than modern day Indians...India was unified for the first time by the British. Before that, the whole sub-continent was called "hindustan", "Hind" etc. And why aren't you guys as keen to claim Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as you are for Pakistan? :D



I heard Biharis have conquered the Indian Punjab and Himachalis have passed property laws to defend their hometown, but only in vain as even there the Bihari invasion has started.

bhaiyas are to rest of indians what afghanis are to Pakistanis. Bin bulaye haramkhor mehmaan jho khabhi wapis jane ka nai sochte. Anyway at least in India bhaiyas are legal citizens so they can go anywhere.
 
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