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Ancient History: the first Sino-Vietnam War 40-43

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The Trưng sisters
Trưng Trắc (徵 側) and Trưng Nhị (徵 貳) | (ca. 12 - AD 43)

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“All the male heroes bowed their heads in submission; 
Only the two sisters proudly stood up to avenge the country.” 
 - 15th century poem

For over a thousand years, the Chinese Han Dynasty ruled over Vietnam as a colonial power. Vietnam had resources, people, and most importantly, the Red River Delta. The Red River Delta is an area in the north of the country that was cultivated for wet rice production, was an important international trading port, and was the land from where the Vietnamese traced their origins. The Han Dynasty had been encroaching on the Lac Lords of Vietnam, the heads of the feudal system that was the foundation of Vietnamese culture. These were the landed aristocrats that had been the ruling noble class for over two millennia.

At first working together in trade and negotiations, the relationship grew authoritarian, and the Chinese began to tax, subjugate, and forcibly assimilate the Vietnamese into the Chinese Empire. By 111 BC, the Han Dynasty had complete control over Vietnam and had divided the kingdom into territories that were ruled by Chinese appointed governors.

Fast-forward 150 years to 39 AD and we meet one such Chinese governor, To Dinh, who ruled over the Me Linh prefecture. The Vietnamese Lord of this prefecture was General Lac, who had two daughters, Trung Trac and Trung Nhi. The two daughters grew up in a military household and were trained in the art of warfare, weaponry, and martial arts. When it came time for a marriage for the eldest daughter Trac, she married the son of the neighboring prefecture who also hailed from a military noble family. Together these two noble families created a powerful military alliance.

China’s repressive regime, taxation of goods, imprisonment of “uncooperative” Vietnamese, and confiscation of lands was causing open hostility among the aristocracy and peasant populations. Most importantly for our heroines, the Chinese replaced the Vietnamese matriarchal family-system with its strict patriarchal system with rigid social control. This is the kiss of death for any society with any form of equality between the sexes. Just ask our friends Cleopatra and her daughter Selene.

As daughters of a noble Vietnamese family, the Trung sisters were in line to inherit their father’s land and titles. According to Chinese law, they could not. Then, the unthinkable happened. Trac’s husband was executed for protesting a new tax imposed by To Dinh. Trac and Nhi’s inheritance, livelihood, and way of life were in jeopardy. Trac refused to go into mourning and instead she and her sister put all their military training to work and began mobilizing the remaining noblemen and peasants to their cause. Their goal was to oust Governor To Dinh and return Vietnam to an independent kingdom. They organized an army of 30,000 soldiers and led them into battle.

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In literature and art the Trung sisters charge into battle atop elephants with swords drawn. Surrounding them are the armies raised by the lords from their individual prefectures. At the head of these armies were the generals the Trung sisters chose to be commanders. Temples dedicated to the Trung sisters that remain today list the leaders and generals of their army. The majority of them are women, including their own mother. One of the generals was a woman named Phing Thi Chinh, who according to legend, gave birth during the revolution and would fight in battle with her newborn strapped to her back.

But why would so many follow two women? Trung Trac and Trung Nhi were also descendants of Lac Long Quân, the original Dragon Lord, the founder of the Vietnamese people. According to their creation myth, The Dragon Lord’s wife laid 100 eggs that would go on to become the 100 noble families of Vietnam. Trac and Nhi’s family were one of those elite. As a matriarchal society were women could hold equal ranking as men, following two women who claimed to be descendents of the Dragon Lord seemed like a no brainer.

Within several months, the Trung sisters had liberated 65 northern citadels in Vietnam and ousted the repressive governor. Trac now commanded an army of 80,000 soldiers. She proclaimed herself Queen of an independent Vietnam and established her capital in her hometown at Me Linh. Some records indicate Nhi was the better warrior. If this is true, it would seem that the Trung sisters followed the typical royal family model of the eldest child being crowned monarch and the younger child named commander of the nation’s army. Other accounts tell us that the two sisters ruled as co-regents of the newly independent Vietnam.

Trac’s reign was dedicated to restoring Vietnam back to its traditional ways. She immediately ended all tributary taxes to China, distributed the treasury of the governor back to the Lac Lords, and attempted to return to a feudal political system. For almost three years, the Trung sisters successfully fought and held off the Chinese, who were not going to give up the Red River Delta so easily.

In 43 AD, the Chinese sent a new General Marshal Ma Yuan to deal with the Trung Sisters. This time, the Han Emperor put all his resources into the army and taking back Vietnam. Many of the original lords and supporters of the Trung Sisters had returned to their land, taking their armies with them. What was left was no match for the invading Chinese army and they defeated the Trung sisters and put Vietnam back under colonial control. According to Chinese history, the Trung sisters were executed. According to Vietnamese history, they committed suicide by drowning in a river to maintain their honor.
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foto: Hai Ba Temple (Hanoi), dedicated to the Trung Sisters

Centuries later, the Trung sisters became heroes and the first Vietnamese nationalists. A seventh-century retelling imagines Trac’s declaration to her army as putting her duty to country first over her duty to family:

“Foremost, I will avenge my country,
Second, I will restore the Hung lineage,
Third, I will avenge the death of my husband,
Lastly, I vow that these goals will be accomplished”


As with all national heroes, the Trung sisters’ exploits have become epic over time. In one account, they kill a tiger that no one had been able to capture and then write their manifesto on its skin. Every February, there is a celebration held in their honor commemorating their martyrdoms. They remain unifying national heroes to the Vietnamese identify and their association with rebellion against invasion is still evoked today. This poignant video compares the Trung sister’s rebellion against China almost two thousand years ago with the struggles of Vietnam in the twentieth century to regain independence from foreign occupiers.

Chick History: The Trung Sisters: Vietnam’s First Nationalists

Trung sisters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The Trưng sisters
Trưng Trắc (徵 側) and Trưng Nhị (徵 貳) | (ca. 12 - AD 43)



“All the male heroes bowed their heads in submission; 
Only the two sisters proudly stood up to avenge the country.” 
 - 15th century poem


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...t-sino-vietnam-war-40-43-a.html#ixzz25QjJKkkv

lol...these two sisters (徵 側 & 徵 貳) are traitors :hitwall:...they should have server the Imperial course instead of been a rebellions..we don't have a memerial stone or temple for them...:hitwall:
 
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Don´t troll, contribute some if you like or can. So the reason for Sino-Vietnamese split 2000 years ago was because of

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China’s repressive regime, taxation of goods, imprisonment of “uncooperative” Vietnamese, and confiscation of lands was causing open hostility among the aristocracy and peasant populations. Most importantly for our heroines, the Chinese replaced the Vietnamese matriarchal family-system with its strict patriarchal system with rigid social control."


Nearly every schoolkid in Vietnam knows about the story of Trung Sisters. Lots of streets and schools are named after the sisters.

Here is the video mentioned in my first post:
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The history is indeed ancient, it's even before Vietnamese had their own written language. How did you keep history like this for so long? did you all draw on stones ?
 
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The history is indeed ancient, it's even before Vietnamese had their own written language. How did you keep history like this for so long? did you all draw on stones ?

Well thank heavens that they did draw on stones. Imagine if they had Made in China dvds to record their history.....it would have self erased due to technical problems just after the 6 months warranty expired :D
 
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Well thank heavens that they did draw on stones. Imagine if they had Made in China dvds to record their history.....it would have self erased due to technical problems just after the 6 months warranty expired :D

Maybe we should consider stop selling DVDs to India, Thus they can't keep their history anymore. You know, They haven't thought of the idea of an "indigenous DVD program", even if they did, it'd get delayed a centuries. :cheesy:
 
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The history is indeed ancient, it's even before Vietnamese had their own written language. How did you keep history like this for so long? did you all draw on stones ?


Not sure, I believe we indeed made some drawings about this historic event and wrote in Chinese - 150 years had passed since 111 b.c.. Anyway the Han´s Chinese recorded the conflict, too.

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Trưng Trắc (徵 側) and Trưng Nhị (徵 貳) led the army into the battle



Traditional Chinese account


The Chinese traditional historical accounts on the Trưng sisters are remarkably brief. They are found in two different chapters of Hou Han Shu, the history for the Eastern Han Dynasty, against which the Trưng sisters had carried out their uprising.

Chapter eighty six of Hou Han Shu, entitled Biographies of the Southern and the Southwestern Barbarians,[Note 1] has this short description:

In the 16th year of Jianwu [40], Jiaozhi (Giao Chỉ) [modern northern Vietnam and extreme western Guangdong and western Guangxi] women Zhēng Cè (Trưng Trắc) and Zhēng Èr (Trưng Nhị) rebelled and attacked the commandery capital. Zhēng Cè was the daughter of the sheriff of Miling (Mê Linh; 麊泠) County, and she married a man named Shi Suo (Thi Sách; 詩索) from ....(Chu Diên) [Note 2] She was a ferocious warrior. Su Ding (蘇定), the governor of Jiaozhi Commandery, curbed her with laws. Cè became angry and rebelled. The barbarian towns of Jiuzhen, Rinan, and Hepu Commanderies all joined her, and she captured sixty five cities and claimed to be queen. The governors of Jiaozhi Province and the commanderies could only defend themselves.

Emperor Guangwu therefore ordered the Changsha, Hepu, and Jiaozhi Commanderies to prepare wagons and boats, to repair the roads and bridges, to open the mountain passes, and to save food supplies. In the 18th year 42, he sent Ma Yuan the General Fupuo and Duan Zhi (段志) the General Lochuan to lead ten odd thousands of men from Changsha, Guiyang, Linling, and Cangwu Commanderies against them. In the summer of the next year 43, Ma recaptured Jiaozhi and killed Zhēng Cè, Zhēng Èr, and others in battle, and the rest scattered. He also attacked Du Yang (都陽), a rebel of the Jiuzhen Commandery, and Du surrendered and was moved, along with some 300 of his followers to Lingling Commandery. The border regions were thus pacified.

Chapter twenty four, the biographies of Ma and some of his notable male descendants, had a parallel description that also added that Ma was able to impress the locals by creating irrigation networks to help the people and also by simplifying and clarifying the Han laws, and was able to get the people to follow Han's laws.

The traditional Chinese account therefore does not indicate abuse of the Vietnamese population by the Chinese officials. It implicitly disavows the traditional Vietnamese accounts of massive cruelty and of the Chinese official killing Trưng Trắc's husband. There is no indication in the Chinese account that the Trưng sisters committed suicide, or that other followers followed example and did so, or that the Chinese army fought naked to win the battle. Indeed, Ma, known in Chinese history for his strict military discipline, is not believed by the Chinese to have carried out cruel or unusual tactics. That account is in contrast to the Vietnamese.

Trung sisters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Well thank heavens that they did draw on stones. Imagine if they had Made in China dvds to record their history.....it would have self erased due to technical problems just after the 6 months warranty expired :D

Don't flatter yourself, India don't even made DvD...Vietnam will be at total lost for their history...six months is better than nothing :lol:
 
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The history is indeed ancient, it's even before Vietnamese had their own written language. How did you keep history like this for so long? did you all draw on stones ?
Many years ago, the grandfather told the father:"Listen boy. I'm going to tell a good story. Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 1,000 Chinese."
Decades years later, the father told the son:"listen boy.Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 10,000 Chinese."
And then, the son told the grand son:"listen boy.Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 100,000 Chinese."
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Now, Vietnamese have gotten their history books that say: "Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 1,000,000 Chinese and found East Sea Islands first."
 
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Many years ago, the grandfather told the father:"Listen boy. I'm going to tell a good story. Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 1,000 Chinese."
Decades years later, the father told the son:"listen boy.Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 10,000 Chinese."
And then, the son told the grand son:"listen boy.Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 100,000 Chinese."
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Now, Vietnamese have gotten their history books that say: "Our Vietnamese ancestors once beat 1,000,000 Chinese and found East Sea Islands first."


If any part of the ancient history is disputed, so feel free to contribute and quote creditable source if any. No need to invent bs.
 
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Well, vn's history was written in Chinese up until 19th century. :)

Well thank heavens that they did draw on stones. Imagine if they had Made in China dvds to record their history.....it would have self erased due to technical problems just after the 6 months warranty expired :D
 
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