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By David Enders | McClatchy Newspapers

ANTAKYA, Turkey — Though degraded by a war of attrition against increasingly capable guerrilla militias, the Syrian military remains a cohesive force capable of continuing its operations for the foreseeable future, according to independent military analysts.

The assessment that the Syrian military remains a potent force contradicts months of suggestions by Obama administration officials that defections and the pace of the increasingly violent conflict is overstretching the military, a theme that’s been voiced repeatedly for months in official State Department briefings.

“We think that the army is increasingly overstretched. We think that the economy is under increasing strain. And we think the rebels are getting stronger,” State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said Aug. 9 in one typical comment.

Yet despite a bombing in July that killed four of President Bashar Assad’s closest advisers – including his minister of defense – Syrian military strategy has changed little from six months ago: using the highly mechanized army – built to fight the Israeli army – to surround rebel-held areas and pound them with artillery and airstrikes before making incursions with infantry and paramilitary forces.

“They’re still capable of handling the threats that they’re dealing with, and they’ve been reaching deeper and deeper and deeper into their armory,” said Joseph Holliday, a researcher at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington who specializes in the Syrian conflict.

That’s not to say that the rebels haven’t made the conflict costly for the military. Since the conflict began, the military has been forced to call up reserves and it continues to use paramilitary forces to supplement its infantry.

“They’re taking somewhere around 40 (killed in action) a day. If you extrapolate from that, wounded would be about four times that number. So you can see there’s a steady toll just from combat on the army,” said Jeff White, a senior defense fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

While there continue to be individual defections from the military, mass defections generally haven’t occurred, something Holliday credits in part to a government strategy of teaming units made up of conscripts with more professional, better trained troops.

“They are pairing their elite, reliable units with their less reliable units to prevent defections,” Holliday said.

White thinks the overall trend is downward for the army and that the rebels eventually will prevail. He thinks the fact that the rebels continue to contest areas in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city, and in Damascus, the capital, show the military’s weaknesses.

“The army’s going to become less and less capable of conducting operations successfully, and I think the best example of that now is Aleppo,” he said. “The city is critical to the regime by all accounts, and it is disputed territory. For the regime, I think that is defeat. It’s not decisive defeat, but the regime’s inability to reclaim the city is a defeat.”

Holliday is more skeptical. “The rebels are trying to harass supply lines, but the corollary to that is that the regime is making sure it has everything it needs in place. It’s not going to lose a fight in Aleppo,” Holliday said.

The mixing of army units that Holliday described has made it difficult to track which military units are fighting where, though Holliday said it was clear that Syria’s 4th Armored Division and Republican Guard were undertaking most of the fighting near Damascus. The 4th Armored Division is led by Assad’s brother, Maher Assad.

The rebels have managed to destroy significant amounts of the army’s equipment, becoming particularly adept at attacking armored vehicles with rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs.

“At the beginning we were seeing T-72s,” White said, referring to the most advanced tanks, bought from Russia, that the Syrian army possesses. “Now we’re seeing some T-54s and T-55s.”

T-54s and T-55s are Cold War-era tanks that first went into production at the end of World War II.

But the army hasn’t yet deployed some of its heaviest weaponry. Despite punishing artillery and rocket strikes on rebel-held areas, a number of rocket and artillery systems haven’t yet been used.

“To me, that’s the most important advantage the Syrian military has over the rebels,” White said.

He predicted that the rebels eventually will acquire anti-aircraft weapons or learn to use the weapons they have to shoot down jets and helicopters, which the Assad military has begun to use more frequently. The use of jets to bomb rebel positions is among the developments that led the death toll to surge in August to 5,384, more than triple the number of dead recorded in May and the highest monthly total yet of the 18-month conflict.

But that won’t erode the regime’s advantage in artillery, White said. “The one thing they will find it very difficult to deal with is the artillery,” he said of the rebels.

White said that even if the military were to be broken, it probably wouldn’t end the violence. He suggested that some commanders would use the mayhem to set up regions that they’d control. “It isn’t going to be just one outcome for the army,” he said.

Holliday pointed to the shabiha, a pro-government militia whose membership is drawn largely from Syria’s Allawite religious minority, to which Assad and much of the country’s elite belong, as one likely outcome for a dissolved army. The militia has been used as infantry across the country, and human rights groups and the rebels accuse it of carrying out some of the worst atrocities in the conflict to date.

“The shabiha are a big deal, not only because they’re being used as infantry, but it’s also a nightmare scenario for what the army could become,” Holliday said.


Analysts: Syrian army in no danger of collapsing from rebel assaults | McClatchy
 
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"Even if my son defected, that doesn't mean the Syrian Army which we built for years is gonna dissolve, the Syrian Army is not a scout group where a pointless defection will harm the army, the Syrian Army is capable of invading near by countries" Mustafa Atlas to France TV.

The Syrian Army is not used to street fight, Syrian Army is prepaid to fronts war, the cowards terrorists hide between people and use people as their shields which slows down the Syrian Army operations.. and when the Syrian army frees an area, the coward terrorists kill all the people and then blame the government before they flea.
 
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"Even if my son defected, that doesn't mean the Syrian Army which we built for years is gonna dissolve, the Syrian Army is not a scout group where a pointless defection will harm the army, the Syrian Army is capable of invading near by countries" Mustafa Atlas to France TV.

The Syrian Army is not used to street fight, Syrian Army is prepaid to fronts war, the cowards terrorists hide between people and use people as their shields which slows down the Syrian Army operations.. and when the Syrian army frees an area, the coward terrorists kill all the people and then blame the government before they flea.

They have seen this happening in Iraq and Libya so they think Syria will also give way too! But these cowards who have let these terrorists lose on Syria dont understand there is one above Who is a better planner than them!
 
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No! those were freedom fighters fighting against a foreign occupation :devil:

Come to think of it, I've seen the regimes behaviour being described as one resembling an occupying army, as if it is invading a foreign country. Such is its disregard for the syrian people.

On the original point, it still lands. Was it ok for Hezbollah to 'hide' amongst civilians and not ok for the FSA? Btw I don't fault either.
 
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On BBC there is a story of a guy who is p1ssed off with the FSA and the Syrian army. He said he told the FSA to take the AA guns off the roof of his nearby apartment building but the FSA lied to him and never took it down. Then the apartment got bombed to sh1t. moral of the story is people die in wars i guess..especially a civil war.
 
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No army can fight his own people and win. The regime army have turned into a sectarian one that the minority (Alawits) control. Afterall, which kind of mighty army that use artillery, frigates and bombers heavily in shelling the largest cities including the capital to control them? So, they are dealing with Syrian people as if they are enemies. Large areas are now controlled by FSA including border crossings with Turkey and Iraq. Tens of thousands have defected, regimes army have suffered massive loss in lives and equipment. FSA is getting stronger while the regime army is shrinking, that's a fact. It will take some time but eventually they will be miserably defeated and humiliated.
 
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Would you say the same, in terms of tactics, about Hezbollah in 2006?
Who said Hezbollah was hiding among people?Israel army?And you believe them right?You expect Israel army chiefs to come and say: 'Yes,we bombed the civilians and Hezbollah were not among them.We love to kill civilians.' ?
Israel bombed Lebanon cities and civilians to put Hezbollah under pressure to end the war and brought that ridiculous excuse blame the civilian casualties on them.It wasn't the first time in Israel's history to kill civilians right?They are used to it.
So Hezbollah was also hiding in Beirut and northern Lebanon buildings?In Beirut airports?In hospitals?

No army can fight his own people and win.

Here's the problem,they are not 'people',most of them are foreign paid mercenaries or brainwashed illiterate Syrians who are told,if they fight the army,they will get 72 virgins in the Jannah.The same thugs who killed the U.S ambassador in Lybia,are today signing up to fight the Syrian army.The same,in many other Arab countries.
 
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So FSA will not win?
Of course, they will my friend.



Here's the problem,they are not 'people',most of them are foreign paid mercenaries or brainwashed illiterate Syrians
The paid mercenaries are those who were sent by Iran, while FSA represent the vast majority of Syrian people.
who are told,if they fight the army,they will get 72 virgins in the Jannah.
I am sorry, I thought they were the poor guys in GW1 who were told that in order to sweep Iraqi mines.

The same thugs who killed the U.S ambassador in Lybia,are today signing up to fight the Syrian army.The same,in many other Arab countries.
You can't compare individual acts with Iran state sponsored terrorism, ranging from nurturing terrorist groups, hijacking US diplomats to assassinating them.
 
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No army can fight his own people and win.
The regime army have turned into a sectarian one that the minority (Alawits) control.

Is that the reason why things aren't going the Arab and Western way at the moment ? :azn: ... Because the Syrian army isn't fighting their own people ... Because I see no progress on the ground , do you ? Syria or Assad's regime was supposed to collapse in a few months after the start of the insurgency , according to propaganda media ... But thats a negative , Houston ! ... Even though you have written a lot of fancy stories , you haven't yet posted any independent credible source for it ... What large areas are controlled by FSA ? I would love to know ... You understand what do they mean when they say that the army hasn't yet brought out its best in the field ? :no: ... It means that they aren't stretched , they aren't in an emergency because the moment you see a " Point of no return " or " Worst case scenario " , you throw out everything you got to the opposition ... A move desperate ...

Yeah , Bahrain starts to ring any bells ? Minority ruling the majority and nobody saying a damn thing just because they host an American base ?
 
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