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ISLAMABAD — Analysts are generally skeptical at present of reports Pakistan and Russia are engaged in negotiations for the delivery of a number of Su-35 Flanker E fighter aircraft, though there is a potential requirement for such a heavy fighter.

The reports, first published in Russian media, cited Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov as saying both sides were negotiating for the delivery of an unspecified number of Su-35 jets alongside the Mi-35M "Hind E" helicopter gunships that have recently been agreed upon.

However, no word on any such negotiations was received from the Ministry of Defence Production in Pakistan when asked for comment on the issue. The agency also handles acquisition.

Experts are generally skeptical of any Su-35 being acquired by Pakistan.

Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, said he "would be most surprised if there were to be any arrangement for provision of Su-35s."

"The Indians would be extremely upset, to the point of a major diplomatic rift," Cloughley said.

Though India is actively seeking to diversify its source of equipment from reliance on Russia, and the latter is seeking a new customer that includes limited defense sales to Pakistan, the Indo-Russian relationship is still very strong as evidenced by the co-development of the next generation PAK-FA stealth aircraft.

Analyst, author and former Pakistani Air Force pilot Kaiser Tufail is also unconvinced at present that negotiations for the Su-35 are actually underway.

"To me it seems more like an offer by the Russians, more than anything else," he said.

Many analysts have considered the current Pakistani plan to carry on investing in the JF-17 Thunder program, and acquire further new or surplus F-16s if possible, to be the optimal way of modernizing its air power as well as reducing combat types. A role for such a heavy fighter as the Su-35 has not generally been envisioned.

However, Tufail says there is a possible need for something in this class on two accounts: diversification and to support naval operations.

The Su-35 "being a twin-engined aircraft with vast range (and endurance), it would help us to have a significant and potent presence in the Arabian Sea, something that the puny, aging Mirage squadron is ill-suited for (as is the JF-17 from the range point of view)," he said. "Given the changing geo-politics and the Chinese investment whose trade terminus is Gwadar, there is definitely going to be a need for a long-range fighter. So essentially, I see it as a guarantor of maritime security as far as the airspace is concerned."

Pakistan has never operated such a twin-engine fighter aircraft, but Tufail says this has been a shortcoming.

"This has been a yawning gap in [the air force's] capabilities. These fighters would also allow unhindered patrolling by the naval [long range maritime patrol aircraft], as well as providing top cover to our fleet at sea," he said.

He does not see this as a departure from the established defense posture, but recognition of an existing shortcoming.

"All of this may sound like a sudden switch from continental strategy to a maritime one, but it is high time that we paid serious attention to this aspect in the fast changing geopolitical scenario."

Pakistan's air power over the Arabian Sea already received a boost this month when No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron based in Karachi was re-equipped September 6 with the JF-17 Block II after surrendering its Chengdu F-7P fighters.

Speaking at the time, Tufail said this was overdue: "The re-equipment of [No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron] was due as they had the oldest lot of F-7s. The JF-17 was the obvious replacement."

However, he did not believe it would take over the anti-shipping strike role from the Mirage 5, which he flew during his air force career, even though the JF-17 can carry the C-802A/CSS-N-8 Saccade or the supersonic CM-400AKG.

"This, however, does not necessarily imply that it will immediately take over the maritime attack role. The Mirage-5PA2/3 is still a capable aircraft, though long in the tooth by now. Most likely, the replacement of these Mirages would have a maritime role, so it could be a couple of years before we see a newer capability," he said.

Whether that replacement is the Su-35, however, remains to be seen.

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations
 
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I think if the ministry of defence is abstaining from providing a categorical statement regarding the deal, means the discussion are underway covertly of course for obvious reasons. If there was no such a development, FO would have refuted the speculation.
 
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I think if the ministry of defence is abstaining from providing a categorical statement regarding the deal, means the discussion are underway covertly of course for obvious reasons. If there was no such a development, FO would have refuted the speculation.
It is obvious we are looking for heavy weight twin engine fighter and if we go for the options available they are few F-18 and SU-35 are on top.
 
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However, he did not believe it would take over the anti-shipping strike role from the Mirage 5, which he flew during his air force career, even though the JF-17 can carry the C-802A/CSS-N-8 Saccade or the supersonic CM-400AKG.
This is a ludicrous analysis by the self appointed analyst. Mirage 5 have already been replaced on a few bases for PN with JF-17 and all the new weapon integrations are for JF-17 like the most potent aircraft-carrier killer hypersonic CM-400 AK G missiles from China. Mirages 5 is a very old platform and needs to replaced and is being replaced in fact.
However Su-35s and JH7s are needed for long range strike capabilities deep inside enemy territory.
 
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It is obvious we are looking for heavy weight twin engine fighter and if we go for the options available they are few F-18 and SU-35 are on top.
On paper SU-35 is the best option for PAF and even for PN. I am actually waiting for Russia to put Su-35 in action over Syria :) to see its battle capabilities against NATO-warplanes.

I believe still not integrated.
I guess it has been integrated since this was done by Chinese themselves. It is essential for China to protect the CPEC and Gawader port. Even the news is that China is buying 24 Su-35s for Pakistan, it may sound a big deal but if compared with 50 USD CPEC, it is justified, though, I would wait for more credible info regarding this news but I won't be surprised at all.
 
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Even the news is that China is buying 24 Su-35s for Pakistan
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My Dear it can't be like that i buy toffees for you, China can't just handover to Pakistan without Russia approval.
 
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The Su-35 "being a twin-engined aircraft with vast range (and endurance), it would help us to have a significant and potent presence in the Arabian Sea, something that the puny, aging Mirage squadron is ill-suited for (as is the JF-17 from the range point of view)," he said. "Given the changing geo-politics and the Chinese investment whose trade terminus is Gwadar, there is definitely going to be a need for a long-range fighter. So essentially, I see it as a guarantor of maritime security as far as the airspace is concerned."

Analysts Skeptical Over Pakistan-Russia Su-35 Negotiations

What is the range of the JF-17 ?
 
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My Dear it can't be like that i buy toffees for you, China can't just handover to Pakistan without Russia approval.
I already said that I would wait for more credible information, however, I said based on this thread by a Chinese senior member. You can read the details
What If 24 Su-35 bought by China are for PAF ? Just my thoughts

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I think with refuelling immediately after the takeoff and climbing to the cruise altitude can increase the range significantly
 
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paf has need of su 35 type aircrfat because paf defend on only f 16. paf has not the alternate of f 16. jf 17 cannot play role as f 16.otherwise can ban any time during pak india war.
 
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My Dear it can't be like that i buy toffees for you, China can't just handover to Pakistan without Russia approval.

Obvious , it has the blessing of Russia and China just act as middleman. It is to avoid direct accusations by India for providing high tech arms directly to Pakistan.

Russia Sukhoi market is shrinking. If Pakistan has open a new revenue for Russia market, why not? Just like RD-93 engine re export to Pakistan.

Su-35 has long leg and huge payload and able to go deep into india. It is the kind of offensive needed by PAF. 24 sounds a right amount for PAF.
 
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