Analysis: Why is Israel unilaterally going to withdraw from Gaza?

[Falcon29]

This is my personal analysis. First off, let us understand why Israel launched this war on Gaza at this specific time. A former US official explains this:

Brzezinski: Netanyahu 'making a very serious mistake'

Watch"Fareed Zakaria GPS," Sundays at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN

Fareed speaks with former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski about Israel's military operation in Gaza.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that the invasion of Gaza was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force. But it has been quite a robust use of force…Do you think that it is going to succeed, the Israeli strategy?

No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that.

Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza, which is so lethal.

I think he is isolating Israel. He's endangering its longer-range future. And I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N.

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Now we get to a point were delegations were supposed to meet in Cairo to discuss a truce. However, some Palestinian officials were denied entry. But, more importantly, Israel claimed that Hamas captured an Israeli soldier inside Palestinian territory.

Hamas says that isn't true. The Palestinians also make no mention of this incident except when Israeli media brought it up. Hamas says this 'attack' happened 6:30 AM and was targeting Israeli forces inside Gaza. However, none were captured. Eventually, low rank Israeli soldiers(Mysteriously since this is against army policy) began leaking to mainstream media that there is a soldier missing.

Hamas says Israel launched an offensive into Rafah during the cease fire and took advantage of it to occupy neighborhoods in Rafah. Which goes against the cease fire, before it Israel had no presence in Rafah which is a crucial city. This led to a gunfight with heavy Israeli losses but losses weren't published. There is a gag order. What did Israel do? It tried advancing and began indiscriminately bombing the whole area killing 120 civilians at least and injuring thousands others.

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Remember, this was similar to the 'Shujiyah' Israeli attack, Israel attacked to attempt advancing on the ground. There was no missing soldier. But, the same results in Rafah. Meaning these heavy casulties are due to Israel trying to advance by bombing civilians and NOT due to any missing soldier.

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Israel has now fooled the world into their narrative. When I just proved to you all how sketchy this narrative is. Now, it is using it as an excuse to not send delegations to Cairo. It is unilaterally going to withdraw.

What does this mean?

It means that Israel will withdraw ground forces. It will keep attacking from the air and reserve the 'right' to attack from air following this period. It also means, no truce will be negotiated. This way, Israel can avoid international pressure and internationally mediated negotiations to remove the illegal siege which has crippled Gaza for all these years.

So Israel will ignore the international community and say nothing will be discussed. Over a period of at least 3-5 years it will allow limited construction material over an arranged process to make sure Gaza is only focused on rebuilding some of the destruction caused and not on life, or education, or well being of 2 million citizens. The siege will go on.

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So for those who keep feeding into Israels narrative. Stop now, they are using security as the talking point but the goal here is submission. They can exonerate themselves all they want from responsibility of any situation they cause. They are self centrists. We can't change that. But, don't give more credibility to their narrative.

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[Jaanbaz]

I could be wrong but I think Israel might be considering taking some land from Gaza for its settlers. When Israel withdrew from Gaza and took the settlers, it proved too unpopular in Israel. Lets see though if Israel will survive the international pressure and stop this madness on innocent people and hopefully not steal any more land from Palestinians.

Hamas didn't exist when Israel was founded and hundreds of thousands of native Palestinians were forced to leave their homes and thousands were massacred by Jewish terrorists. Hamas are terrorists or extremists but they are a reactionary to terror that Palestinians have faced by Israel.

 

[Dillinger]

I could be wrong but I think Israel might be considering taking some land from Gaza for its settlers. When Israel withdrew from Gaza and took the settlers, it proved too unpopular in Israel. Lets see though if Israel will survive the international pressure and stop this madness on innocent people and hopefully not steal any more land from Palestinians.

Hamas didn't exist when Israel was founded and hundreds of thousands of native Palestinians were forced to leave their homes and thousands were massacred by Jewish terrorists. Hamas are terrorists or extremists but they are a reactionary to terror that Palestinians have faced by Israel.

Taking more land in such a manner seems counter-intuitive when they were doing that just fine with new settlements sans the loss of soldiers and the international attention due to the air campaign.

This is Bibi trying to push the message through that Hamas's presence in Gaza will mean further death and hardship for Gazans, his end goal would be to ensure that the pressure of casualties somehow leads to the Gazans reneging the approximation of legitimacy that Hamas had gained upon being elected. In short, he wants Hamas out and/or diminished in capacity and authority by hook or crook, he most definitely wants to make an unity government nonviable. Bibi has stated on record that his dual aims are to remove any offensive capacity/capability that may exist in Gaza and to ensure that a sovereign Palestinian state does not take root west of the river Jordan.

 

[Falcon29]

This is Bibi trying to push the message through that Hamas's presence in Gaza will mean further death and hardship for Gazans, his end goal would be to ensure that the pressure of casualties somehow leads to the Gazans reneging the approximation of legitimacy that Hamas had gained upon being elected. In short, he wants Hamas out and/or diminished in capacity and authority by hook or crook, he most definitely wants to make an unity government nonviable. Bibi has stated on record that his dual aims are to remove any offensive capacity/capability that may exist in Gaza and to ensure that a sovereign Palestinian state does not take root west of the river Jordan.

This specific offensive is mentioned here:


Brzezinski: Netanyahu 'making a very serious mistake'

Watch"Fareed Zakaria GPS," Sundays at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN

Fareed speaks with former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski about Israel's military operation in Gaza.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that the invasion of Gaza was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force. But it has been quite a robust use of force…Do you think that it is going to succeed, the Israeli strategy?

No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that.

Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza, which is so lethal.

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[flamer84]

Bibi has stated on record that his dual aims are to remove any offensive capacity/capability that may exist in Gaza and to ensure that a sovereign Palestinian state does not take root west of the river Jordan.

This can't work,sure the Palestinians are fed up with Hamas after the recent destruction but Israel can't just tell them "get rid of Hamas and live in perpetual occupation".If the narative would be "get rid of Hamas and have your own state" things would be different.The only way to get rid of Hamas is to give the Palestinians their own country.Presenting Abbas,Fatah just as Israeli stooges who are satisfied in rulling a barely autonoumous,ever shrinking Palestinian authority will only rally people to Hamas in the future.

In short,Israel has used the stick,it's time for the carrot.

 

[Falcon29]

Bibi has stated on record that his dual aims are to remove any offensive capacity/capability that may exist in Gaza and to ensure that a sovereign Palestinian state does not take root west of the river Jordan.

There is no strategic defensive capability in Gaza. Further, Netanyahu doesn't want a Palestinian state. You're adopting his scare tactics and giving him credibility.

His opposition to a two state solution has little to do with security. It is about resources, land, settlements, and opposition to Palestinian sovereignty. Israel wants to keep its forces inside the West Bank even in a supposed two state solution for at least 20 years.

That is not sovereignty.

 

[Dillinger]

This specific offensive is mentioned here:


Brzezinski: Netanyahu 'making a very serious mistake'

Watch"Fareed Zakaria GPS," Sundays at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET on CNN

Fareed speaks with former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski about Israel's military operation in Gaza.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that the invasion of Gaza was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force. But it has been quite a robust use of force…Do you think that it is going to succeed, the Israeli strategy?

No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that.

Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza, which is so lethal.

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I am not disagreeing with the premise that Netanyahu wants to see Hamas gone through any means possible.

It will take godly amounts of effort to EVER get the govt. in Israel to agree to the 67 borders when the very idea of ceding military dominance (or at least giving up on ensuring the lack of a sovereign and capable non-Israeli military presence in West bank) over regions west of the river seem anathema to Bibi.

There is no strategic defensive capability in Gaza. Further, Netanyahu doesn't want a Palestinian state. You're adopting his scare tactics and giving him credibility.

His opposition to a two state solution has little to do with security. It is about resources, land, settlements, and opposition to Palestinian sovereignty. Israel wants to keep its forces inside the West Bank even in a supposed two state solution for at least 20 years.

That is not sovereignty.

Did I say he was right?

I didn't say that there IS a sovereign Palestinian state.

I SAID THAT HE WANTS TO ENSURE THAT THERE NEVER WILL BE ONE, IN THE FUTURE.

 

[Falcon29]

This can't work,sure the Palestinians are fed up with Hamas after the recent destruction but Israel can't just tell them "get rid of Hamas and live in perpetual occupation".If the narative would be "get rid of Hamas and have your own state" things would be different.The only way to get rid of Hamas is to give the Palestinians their own country.Presenting Abbas,Fatah just as Israeli stooges who are satisfied in rulling a barely autonoumous,ever shrinking Palestinian authority will only rally people to Hamas in the future.
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I disagree with your opening statements, they have no grasp on reality. Maybe your imagination or your little club on military photos. That being said, you did make a good point in the remainder of your post.

Which should tell you by now that this offensive has nothing to do with Hamas.You are admitting this. If Israel wanted Hamas to have lesser influence it would commit to a two state solution and allow the Palestinians a right to self determination in their own land.

 

[Dillinger]

This can't work,sure the Palestinians are fed up with Hamas after the recent destruction but Israel can't just tell them "get rid of Hamas and live in perpetual occupation".If the narative would be "get rid of Hamas and have your own state" things would be different.The only way to get rid of Hamas is to give the Palestinians their own country.Presenting Abbas,Fatah just as Israeli stooges who are satisfied in rulling a barely autonoumous,ever shrinking Palestinian authority will only rally people to Hamas in the future.

In short,Israel has used the stick,it's time for the carrot.

Not a state, he will offer respite, a chance to be governed by something akin to the relatively pacifist PA. I never said this is viable, I don't think it is, but it is what Bibi and his folks in the Knesset seems to think they can achieve.

 

[Falcon29]

I am not disagreeing with the premise that Netanyahu wants to see Hamas gone through any means possible

Again, you keep giving credibility to his right wing extremist government. Go read the Likud charter. Netenyahu's policy is to keep the Palestinians submissive. Hamas isn't the only Palestinian organization which exercises its right of resistance or self determination. Many others do, and the general population does as well.

Netanyahu seeks to destroy all critics and opposition to the occupation. Which is why they crack down on civilians in the West Bank. It is why they take measures to prevent freedom of movement in occupied territories, settlements, economic restrictions, restrictions on economic freedom, restrictions on sovereignty.

Btw, here you are admitting Israel launched an offensive war which just shows us how accumulated the public has become to accepting their attacks as mere day to day reality.

Did I say he was right?

You keep repeating his bogus narratives even though time and time again I explain to you that his narratives are fixated that way to fool people like you.

He can claim all he wants, the reality is his policies and the policies of Israel have little to do with what he claims.

 

[flamer84]

I disagree with your opening statements, they have no grasp on reality. Maybe your imagination or your little club on military photos. That being said, you did make a good point in the remainder of your post.

Which should tell you by now that this offensive has nothing to do with Hamas.You are admitting this. If Israel wanted Hamas to have lesser influence it would commit to a two state solution and allow the Palestinians a right to self determination in their own land.

If you truly follow that site you would have noticed i had 1(ONE) post in the escalation in Gaza thread and really don't engage with Israeli members that often.Not that engaging them would be wrong,it's just that your little narative is wrong,that's all.But,if you like to spin in it that way,be my guest.

Only time will tell but i consider that Hamas must go for peace to occur,no Israeli politician will negociate with them ,it will be suicide at home.That being said,Israel must let the Palestinians know that if Hamas is gone self determination is around the corner.Without that the peace process is an illussion.

 

[Dillinger]

Again, you keep giving credibility to his right wing extremist government. Go read the Likud charter. Netenyahu's policy is to keep the Palestinians submissive. Hamas isn't the only Palestinian organization which exercises its right of resistance or self determination. Many others do, and the general population does as well.

Netanyahu seeks to destroy all critics and opposition to the occupation. Which is why they crack down on civilians in the West Bank. It is why they take measures to prevent freedom of movement in occupied territories, settlements, economic restrictions, restrictions on economic freedom, restrictions on sovereignty.

Btw, here you are admitting Israel launched an offensive war which just shows us how accumulated the public has become to accepting their attacks as mere day to day reality.



You keep repeating his bogus narratives even though time and time again I explain to you that his narratives are fixated that way to fool people like you.

He can claim all he wants, the reality is his policies and the policies of Israel have little to do with what he claims.

How am I supposed to post on what he intends to do if I don't also include his narrative.

Putting his narrative down in words does not legitimize it.

When I say that he wants to kill any chance of a sovereign Palestinian state in the future, I am NOT saying that he right in doing so.

Can you at least calm down and re read the posts with a clear mind.

 

[flamer84]

Not a state, he will offer respite, a chance to be governed by something akin to the relatively pacifist PA. I never said this is viable, I don't think it is, but it is what Bibi and his folks in the Knesset seems to think they can achieve.

I understand but it can't and if they think that they're living an illussion.A Palestinian state needs to exist if peace is to be achieved...if not,they'll be dancing this scenario every 2-3 years like untill now.

 

[Falcon29]

If you truly follow that site you would have noticed i had 1(ONE) post in the escalation in Gaza thread and really don't engage with Israeli members that often.Not that engaging them would be wrong,it's just that your little narative is wrong,that's all.But,if you like to spin in it that way,be my guest.

You are a moderate compared to the rest of the members there. Most of the people commenting on Gaza are Jewish/Israeli. The ones that express any opposition to their views are banned permanently. I guarantee you if there was any freedom there you would see how many pro-Palestinian voices there are.

Only time will tell but i consider that Hamas must go for peace to occur,no Israeli politician will negociate with them ,it will be suicide at home.

No it wouldn't, they've negotiated plenty of times before. Further, history has taught us talking to one's enemy will get them somewhere. That's the only reason we have so many compromises that shaped the future to make the world what is today.

That being said,Israel must let the Palestinians know that if Hamas is gone self determination is around the corner.

That's so far from the truth. Where should I start? First of all, Hamas came into existence in the late 80's. Second of all, the objective of the Israeli government is to colonize the West Bank. They call it 'Judization'. I can come up with so many examples. Your assertion isn't supported by facts. What makes you even have any confidence to make such a statement? Are you seeing developments we aren't? Are you reading Israeli officials statements?

I also don't believe you know what genuine 'self determination' is.

 

[flamer84]

That's so far from the truth. Where should I start? First of all, Hamas came into existence in the late 80's. Second of all, the objective of the Israeli government is to colonize the West Bank. They call it 'Judization'. I can come up with so many examples. Your assertion isn't supported by facts. What makes you even have any confidence to make such a statement? Are you seeing developments we aren't? Are you reading Israeli officials statements?
I also don't believe you know what genuine 'self determination' is.

I didn't say Israel will do that ,i've said they should do that if they want peace,as a good will gesture.

Look....i'm not an expert on the issue,these are just my 2 cents....hamas and other terror organisations must go but Palestinians need something in return-self determination.