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Pakistan Reportedly Interested in the Altay MBT

A look at how Turkey's next-generation main battle tank could be added to the Pakistan Army Armoured Corps

18 January 2016

By Bilal Khan

Although it is in development, the Turkish Altay main battle tank (MBT) is drawing interest from a number of Turkey’s leading arms clients. Among the interested parties is Pakistan, who has sought to cultivate strong defence ties with Ankara, especially over the past decade through a series of arms purchases, joint-exercises and a bilateral pilot training exchange program.

Development of the Altay MBT formally started in 2007 with the aim of not only meeting the Turkish Army’s next-generation MBT requirement, but also to enhance the country’s capacity to source important defence equipment through domestic means. Otokar, a private Turkish firm, became the principal vendor of the program via a $500 million U.S. contract awarded by the Turkish government. In 2008 Otokar approached Hyundai Rotem in South Korea for technical assistance, thus enabling the Altay to draw on technology from the newly deployed K2 Black Panther MBT.

The Altay MBT is the central piece of the Turkish Army’s armour modernization roadmap. Although it should not be a surprise given Turkey’s status as a NATO member, the Altay is a Western tank in terms of its design and goals: It is a heavyweight (65 tons) machine equipped with a 120mm smoothbore gun as well as two additional secondary armaments, a 12.7mm heavy machine gun and a remote-controlled turret. It is powered by a 1500hp diesel engine acquired from the German manufacturer MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH, which may be replaced by an indigenous system in the future. Finally, the tank’s all-round defensive resilience is drawn from its composite armour and an active protection suite.

As one might expect, the Altay is not going to come “cheap,” hence the reason why Pakistan’s interest in this tank is very intriguing. Traditionally, Pakistan has largely sought to acquire lower-cost and lighter-weight tanks such as the al-Khalid and al-Zarrar (a substantial upgrade of the Chinese T-59), which could be acquired in far greater numbers. For Pakistan, the quantitative aspect is important: Firstly, Pakistan’s border with India spans nearly 3000km, and second, India itself has a numerically massive and technologically robust stable of tanks. A large number of tanks is necessary in order to scale that territory as well as manage against a numerically heavy enemy thrust.

With the above in mind it is certain that the Pakistan Army is not re-orienting itself towards a smaller number of NATO-standard tanks, which would be inappropriate relative to its geo-strategic realities. Instead, the Altay is being considered as a supplement to the al-Khalid series, which will continue its role in gradually (i.e. over the long-term) forming the mainstay of the Army’s tank forces.

The idea of a supplementary system came to the fore in 2015 when the “Haider” MBT requirement was revealed. At the time it seemed that the Chinese VT-4 would meet that requirement, but the Army rejected it. It is not clear if the Altay is being considered for the Haider program or as an entirely separate acquisition. In any case, the question of why another tank is being considered, especially an expensive platform such as the Altay, needs to be explored.

In general, Pakistan’s armoured forces in war would be oriented for either offensive (via strike corps) or defensive (via holding corps) formations. Precisely which of these aspects the Altay would fulfil is not known, but the Altay was designed to handle both roles. The payoff (in technology and performance) of the Altay over the al-Khalid must be substantial (relative to the added cost) in order for the Army to justify its addition to the Armoured Corps.

If added, the Altay could be deployed to locations where an offensive surge (or defensive resistance) is expected to be the strongest. High performance ratings in key parameters such as maintenance or serviceability on the field, durability against the natural elements, acclimation with the region’s environments, and battle performance (e.g. accuracy, agility and resilience against attacks) could make Altay regiments a particularly serious threat for the enemy.

However, cost will be the critical bottleneck. Given the expensive nature of the Altay platform the Army would likely have to pursue the program through incremental batch orders of 40-50 tanks, and the total Altay force within Pakistan would likely sit at around 300 tanks. In tandem with the actual tank Pakistan may also be interested in acquiring some of the Altay’s armour and self-protection technology for use on the al-Khalid, especially its future versions.

One particularly interesting example is the Aselsan Akkor active protection system, which is currently under development. The Akkor is being developed to protect the Altay MBT (as well as other armoured vehicles) from anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) threats. Its laser-warning receivers would alert the tank of an attempted laser-lock, which in turn could trigger smoke dispensers to thwart the lock (i.e. “soft-kill” capability). The Akkor could alsodirectly intercept incoming missiles (i.e. “hard-kill” capability) through the use of a “smart munition” which – after firing – calculates its distance relative to the approaching missile, and when close enough, detonates a high-explosive warhead against the missile.

It must be acknowledged that this prospect (if it is indeed one) is in its very early stages. Pakistan has been interested in big-ticket Turkish armaments before, such as the MILGEM corvette and the T-129 attack helicopter, but the reality of Pakistan’s financial woes ultimately put those ideas to rest. However, India’s induction of the Arjun Mk-2 as well as possibly the Russian Armata MBT, could lend significant momentum in favour of the Altay.

@Horus
 
The trials by PA on the tank will show if Altay tank is good or not.
 
but it wasnt even considered for trials last year when tere were trials of a number of chinese thanks and that Oplot tank.
Maybe the Altay is in Pakistan but the trials havent started yet.
 
A lot of people saw this coming. Pakistan WANTS to go for Turkish options, but it's financial situation makes it hard.
 
We consider three major factors while dealing with tanks.

1: Mobility
2: Fire Power
3: Protection


As here we are dealing with Pakistan domestic conditions so lets judge Atlay for every factor.

In case of Mobility we consider the strategic and tactical movement of tank, it's ability to run on its own tracks on different terrains, through water and urban environment.
With 1500HP engine it has top speed of 70 Km/h. It carry no external fuel tanks and run on internal fuel as far as 500 Km. In near future it will use 1800HP electric generator developed by Turkey inorder to reduce the heat signature of tank.It uses Hydro pneumatic suspension system comprising of liquid hydraulic and gas compression systems providing it good stability during run and fire. It can dive upto 4.1m in water and cross little water vessels without use of Snorkel. Atlay has successfully cleared the all trials related to Turkish conditions i.e Plain, Marshy, Snow and dust .......... but will it survive in Hot desert conditions of Pakistan is a big question.

Strategic mobility includes movement of Tank on locomotives like Train, Air lifter or Road vehicle. This is where the things go bit tough for Pakistan as Atlay is 60+ Ton heavy monster. In our arsenal we don't operate any such tank which weigh more than 50T. We don't have heavy air lifter so use of Air transport is out of question. Our roads do can hold a tank but can our rail tracks and bridges? It is big question indeed. If we go for Atlay then we might face same mobility issues which India faced in case of Arjun Tank.

So there are indeed issues regarding the ''mobility'' of this tank as far as Pakistan conditions are concerned.

(Below Atlay tank tests in different conditions)
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While Dealing with Fire Power we relate ability of Tank to identify, track and engage a target (day/night) under all environmental conditions. It got Aselsan/STM Volkan III MKEK Main Gun which is smooth bore gun and has 120mm caliber. So here emerge the problem. Pakistan use 125mm Smooth bore as standard Main gun for Its Tanks including AK,AZ,T85,T80 tanks. We develop the same type of ammunition which can be used on all types of tanks. By inducting a gun of different caliber mean that we will have develop new tech and capability to mass produce new type of munitions. Atlay do has Hunter Killer ability which is crucial in Modern Tank warfare.

Atlay Main Gun is digitally stabilized by Aselsan/STM Volkan III modular fire control system and is computer assisted. A standard 7.62mm coaxial MG and 12.7mm anti air Heavy Machine gun are used to deal with light and aerial targets.It can also house remote controlled 12.7 anti air gun of STM series inorder to keep the personals safe from enemy fire in adverse conditions. Turret and Main gun are of low profile design and inclined geometry inorder to reduce the sight and collision impact from projectiles. In case of Fire power Atlay is good enough to be part of Pakistan army as Next Generation Main Battle Tank. Latest fire control systems, ballistic computers, state of art vision sights, thermal imagers, communication systems, friend or foe detection,automatic fire extinguishing mechanism,360 degrees situational awareness system,battlefield target identification system, life support system, auxiliary power unit, all such goodies of NATO standard developed by Aselsan can be available for our Tank arsenal if we go for Atlay.

Altay appears to share strong chassis characteristics with its technological base, the South Korean K2 Black Panther. But it is bigger in size and carry more weight. It house 7 road wheels and offer more space for more ammunition and armor than K2 Tank.
(Below K2 and Atlay)
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Protection is key attribute of Atlay. Being bigger and powerful, it can carry more armor. Although its engine is located at rare but it is well protected. Ammunition compartment is armored and located separately from Crew Chamber. Hence it overcome a major flaw found in most Indian and All Pakistan Tanks i.e blowing of ammunition upon hit. It has Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) protection. It use Roketsun Composite armor from ballistic protection. Hull, Turret and rare and well protected. Most facilitating thing about Atlay is its Active protection System which is capable of Soft Kill as well as Hard Kill. This is the property which Pakistani tanks lack (AK1 do has Soft Kill APS capability). Aselsan has been funded by Turkey to complete the development of its Akkor active protection system (APS). The Akkor APS includes a centralised control unit and internal display, with the soft-kill system including laser-warning receivers and smoke dispensers; the hard-kill system includes four radar units for 360° coverage and two twin-cell trainable launchers armed with two hard-kill unguided 'smart' munitions.

(Below Akkor APS system)
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Aselsan also did a major upgrade of Next Generation to Leopard 2 A4 of Turkish arsenal. The modular armor applied to Leopard can also be applied on Atlay.
Modular Armour Kit for Leopard-2 MBT-2.jpg


While Summing up all points here are merits and demerits.

Atlay has great Tactical mobility, good range and enough speed with great stability.
It has great fire power, advance munition, hunter killer capability.
Highly protected. Composite modular armor, Active protection system.
Very suitable in urban environment. Can take on any Modern tank face to face, offer more protection from Anti Tank weapons.
Quality product. Give qualitative advantage over adversary. Maintenance is bit easier.


Its capability to bear hot desert conditions of Pakistan is still questionable.
It is too heavy and hence offer difficulties in strategic transportation.
120mm Main Gun is issue as 125mm is Pakistan requirement.
Expensive and can be prone to sanctions to some extent.
Difficult to mass produce and hence lack quantitative advantage.



Its upto Armed forces to decide either Atlay will qualify for our NG MBT standards or not or we even have capacity to afford this tank. But one thing is sure, if we cannot afford this tank as a whole then we must follow its subsystems and apply them on our current fleet of Al Khalid Tanks. Like Aselsan Modular Armor, Akkor APS, 1800HP Electic Engine. WIth such goodies AK2,AK3 series can become enough capable to take on any armor threat across the border while keeping advantage of Quality and Quantity at a balance..................
 
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well it is a good option and the payment is not a problem as we dont have to pay it one time it can be done in installments ....but the technology is superior than AK tanks we have ... so we must purchase it to get hold of this european technology ...
 
I think, main issue would be US licence and in future any possible sanctions rather than finance.

Any ways nice machine.
 
Altay Tank is great peace of craftsman ship by Turkish defense industry but Altay supports smooth bore 120mm main gun and POF producing different type of ammo 125mm guns for Al Khalid, If we select Altay then we must go for ammo also which will be not cost effective. The next thing is weight Altay is roughly 65 tons and our current rail transportation system can't handle that much weight again we have to bring new rail carriages for logistic purposes which will prove another blow to our concept of cost effective procurement.
Again Altay is not sanction proof since using German engines and locally developed 1800HP engine still under development.
 
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We consider three major factors while dealing with tanks.

1: Mobility
2: Fire Power
3: Protection


As here we are dealing with Pakistan domestic conditions so lets judge Atlay for every factor.

In case of Mobility we consider the strategic and tactical movement of tank, it's ability to run on its own tracks on different terrains, through water and urban environment.
With 1500HP engine it has top speed of 70 Km/h. It carry no external fuel tanks and run on internal fuel as far as 500 Km. In near future it will use 1800HP electric generator developed by Turkey inorder to reduce the heat signature of tank.It uses Hydro pneumatic suspension system comprising of liquid hydraulic and gas compression systems providing it good stability during run and fire. It can dive upto 4.1m in water and cross little water vessels without use of Snorkel. Atlay has successfully cleared the all trials related to Turkish conditions i.e Plain, Marshy, Snow and dust .......... but will it survive in Hot desert conditions of Pakistan is a big question.

Strategic mobility includes movement of Tank on locomotives like Train, Air lifter or Road vehicle. This is where the things go bit tough for Pakistan as Atlay is 60+ Ton heavy monster. In our arsenal we don't operate any such tank which weigh more than 50T. We don't have heavy air lifter so use of Air transport is out of question. Our roads do can hold a tank but can our rail tracks and bridges? It is big question indeed. If we go for Atlay then we might face same mobility issues which India faced in case of Arjun Tank.

So there are indeed issues regarding the ''mobility'' of this tank as far as Pakistan conditions are concerned.

(Below Atlay tank tests in different conditions)
View attachment 287919

While Dealing with Fire Power we relate ability of Tank to identify, track and engage a target (day/night) under all environmental conditions. It got Aselsan/STM Volkan III MKEK Main Gun which is smooth bore gun and has 120mm caliber. So here emerge the problem. Pakistan use 125mm Smooth bore as standard Main gun for Its Tanks including AK,AZ,T85,T80 tanks. We develop the same type of ammunition which can be used on all types of tanks. By inducting a gun of different caliber mean that we will have develop new tech and capability to mass produce new type of munitions. Atlay do has Hunter Killer ability which is crucial in Modern Tank warfare.

Atlay Main Gun is digitally stabilized by Aselsan/STM Volkan III modular fire control system and is computer assisted. A standard 7.62mm coaxial MG and 12.7mm anti air Heavy Machine gun are used to deal with light and aerial targets.It can also house remote controlled 12.7 anti air gun of STM series inorder to keep the personals safe from enemy fire in adverse conditions. Turret and Main gun are of low profile design and inclined geometry inorder to reduce the sight and collision impact from projectiles. In case of Fire power Atlay is good enough to be part of Pakistan army as Next Generation Main Battle Tank. Latest fire control systems, ballistic computers, state of art vision sights, thermal imagers, communication systems, friend or foe detection,automatic fire extinguishing mechanism,360 degrees situational awareness system,battlefield target identification system, life support system, auxiliary power unit, all such goodies of NATO standard developed by Aselsan can be available for our Tank arsenal if we go for Atlay.

Altay appears to share strong chassis characteristics with its technological base, the South Korean K2 Black Panther. But it is bigger in size and carry more weight. It house 7 road wheels and offer more space for more ammunition and armor than K2 Tank.
(Below K2 and Atlay)
View attachment 287936


Protection is key attribute of Atlay. Being bigger and powerful, it can carry more armor. Although its engine is located at rare but it is well protected. Ammunition compartment is armored and located separately from Crew Chamber. Hence it overcome a major flaw found in most Indian and All Pakistan Tanks i.e blowing of ammunition upon hit. It has Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) protection. It use Roketsun Composite armor from ballistic protection. Hull, Turret and rare and well protected. Most facilitating thing about Atlay is its Active protection System which is capable of Soft Kill as well as Hard Kill. This is the property which Pakistani tanks lack (AK1 do has Soft Kill APS capability). Aselsan has been funded by Turkey to complete the development of its Akkor active protection system (APS). The Akkor APS includes a centralised control unit and internal display, with the soft-kill system including laser-warning receivers and smoke dispensers; the hard-kill system includes four radar units for 360° coverage and two twin-cell trainable launchers armed with two hard-kill unguided 'smart' munitions.

(Below Akkor APS system)
View attachment 287938

Aselsan also did a major upgrade of Next Generation to Leopard 2 A4 of Turkish arsenal. The modular armor applied to Leopard can also be applied on Atlay.View attachment 287939

While Summing up all points here are merits and demerits.

Atlay has great Tactical mobility, good range and enough speed with great stability.
It has great fire power, advance munition, hunter killer capability.
Highly protected. Composite modular armor, Active protection system.
Very suitable in urban environment. Can take on any Modern tank face to face, offer more protection from Anti Tank weapons.
Quality product. Give qualitative advantage over adversary. Maintenance is bit easier.


Its capability to bear hot desert conditions of Pakistan is still questionable.
It is too heavy and hence offer difficulties in strategic transportation.
120mm Main Gun is issue as 125mm is Pakistan requirement.
Expensive and can be prone to sanctions to some extent.
Difficult to mass produce and hence lack quantitative advantage.



Its upto Armed forces to decide either Atlay will qualify for our NG MBT standards or not or we even have capacity to afford this tank. But one thing is sure, if we cannot afford this tank as a whole then we must follow its subsystems and apply them on our current fleet of Al Khalid Tanks. Like Aselsan Modular Armor, Akkor APS, 1800HP Electic Engine. WIth such goodies AK2,AK3 series can become enough capable to take on any armor threat across the border while keeping advantage of Quality and Quantity at a balance..................
I have a serious feeling that our AK-2 is nothing but upgraded version of Leopard Tank. I mean upgraded version revealed by Turkey.
 
Altay Tank is great peace of craftsman ship by Turkish defense industry but Altay supports smooth bore 120mm main gun and POF producing different type of ammo 125mm guns for Al Khalid, If we select Altay then we must go for ammo also which will be not cost effective. The next thing is weight Altay is roughly 65 tons and our current rail transportation system can't handle that much weight again we have to bring new rail carriages for logistic purposes which will prove another blow to our concept of cost effective procurement.
Again Altay is not sanction proof since using German engines and locally developed 1800HP engine still under development.
Then change the guns on Altays to 125mm, when it's being built.
Tadaaa.
 
Then change the guns on Altays to 125mm, when it's being built.
Tadaaa.
Changing gun is not as simple as mentioned, along with gun auto loading mechanism, turret and gun stabilization module all needed to be replaced to accommodate new gun. more importantly we are producing 125MM ammo since ages and we can't change it for one type of tank and purchasing ammo with tank is not cost effective. We have developed quite a variety of 125mm ammo for the Tanks in our inventory.
 

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