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As the two nations with a billion population each encircle each other with hostile intent and the rest of the world braces for a possible impact it seems that things have changed. Indeed, imagine if this were the case a decade or so ago by this time we would have the great powers of the world step in by now but that’s not the case. Therefore, it is imperative we discuss how these changes have arrived and what do they mean.

Old notions no more?

In the field that studies these phenomena, International Relations, we have two key concepts that would have been important to analyze the situation before: balance of power and power category of a nation-state. The balance of power essentially refers to the maintenance of status-quo; each region has a power distribution amongst nation-states that holds a precarious balance of status-quo and each nation tries to tilt that balance to its advantage but the overall system fights to keep that in check. This is why, if you would read history; you would see shifting alliances, a favorite of mine is to see the European intervention in the Ottoman-Russian affairs: if they would see any one state overpower the other they would switch sides to contain the winner and keep them in perpetual hostility in order to balance them out and maintain the status-quo. The British were masters of this concept.

That brings us to the second concept of power categories: each nation-state is compared to others on various terms such as economics, military prowess, geography etc., and given a rating. The most common one that people are familiar with is the term ‘superpower’, the Cold War saw us having two: the USA and USSR each nation so powerful that it would dominate any other nation except each other and the world was carved up between their spheres of influences.

Thus, it begs the question? Where are they now? Why don’t they intervene in the China-India debacle? Is that not what they do? Where is the USA? Where is NATO?

Are these terminologies gone?

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Game changers

India and China for a large part have expanded heavily economically, each in their own manner but are often seen as competitors. Indeed, the impressive growth of these nations in mere decades is quite impressive. However, these two nations are certainly powers but like I stated before, something has changed.

India has always been challenged by its much smaller rival: Pakistan in active as well as cold conflicts and has never been able to dominate its rival. This is why Pakistan has been dubbed a ‘middle power’ or more recently, a challenger state. China to a much lesser extent has been challenged by its rival of Taiwan but never to the extent of India. As China made it a policy of not going to war; indeed, China has never gone to a full scale war with any nation state, therefore, its policy is much more subtle. This is something that India has never truly learnt and therefore, it is my opinion, that we see a military and diplomatic confusion on their part on how to handle the latest debacle.

New age upon us?

The old arbitrators of conflict for various reasons do not wish to engage in conflict management anymore. The Belt and Road Initiative of China is certainly a move that traditionally has been reserved for a superpower but China made sure of not projecting hard power such as military interventions and strong arm diplomatic tactics before it was able to ensure to lay the foundation of the program. Essentially, in a world where military challenges to traditional powers of the Western alliances (US and NATO) has been costly to everyone we see a new trend: active geo-strategic shifts amongst rising powers such as India and China and middle powers such as Turkey and Egypt. It is especially worth noting the recent challenges to Russian might by Turkey but that is for another analysis.

The path to power and leadership of world affairs has a new player which has washed away the conventions of old. China rises on its tactful handling of the diplomatic arena and economic strength.

What can this strategy be called? In my view, it’s ruthless pragmatism. China does not engage in ideological balance of power nor does it view economic growth solely from the lens of prosperity alone, all missing in its rival India. It can and has been able to weaponize these two into the strategic level of affairs. For instance, China made heavy handed efforts to curtail corruption and inefficiency of bureaucracy, something that its rival India has not been able to do effectively. Secondly, China has kept its military machine, despite not engaged in any active conflict, well-oiled and adaptive, something that again India has not been able to do so far. Arguably, the next state working on those lines for now seems to be Russia under the Putin leadership.

Therefore, we are in the middle of a transition into a new age and the conventions of old would not help us understand, appreciate and analyze the upcoming geopolitics of the upcoming era.

Views presented are of the author and do not necessarily reflect those held by PDF management
 
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@jaibi

PakBrother mine,

Thought, detached and balanced view of things!

Indeed, the Balance-of-Power Doctorine is now an Investment with decreasing returns. And it has also become costly for the SponsorState as well.

As the Nature of Power transits from post WW2 Structures into more Distributed Networks ... a classic Power of Balance won't work anymore...

We have seen the utter destructive power of proxies... but that was/is ChoasParadigm or Doctorine... and its theatre has also shrunk... once again proving there is IntialGains in Proxies but net outcome can be anything... cases in point are Iraq, Syria and Libya... enroumus ChoaticOpening and destruction...but in the end, despite huge investments... and loss of human lives.. Power is in Flux there as well...

Understanding the Essence of this PowerFlux, perhaps, guide us towards the Dynamics you have demonstrated in your analysis.

What does China want?

To be not the leader of the WorldOrder but be its Centre... sharing/collaborating without ActiveConflict ... TheMiddleKingdom ... but driven by Technology and ScientificMethod... e.g. look at their educational system and output of STEM graduates and the ranking of their universities... and number of patents... also, the increasing maturity of its End-to-End TechnologyEcosystems...

Not fully indpendent..but in the world of NewTech no state can be Stand-Alone.... or Independent. FACT!

What does the US want?

Another Century of the DollarSystem.

What does India want?

We have to understand the compulsions that drive the IndianStatePolicy. It is not dependent of a political party but its ingrained within the IndianState.

Indians, rightfully, fashion themselves as an ancient civilisation. And thanks to BritishIndia ... the Indians Inhereted a WorkingState... with all the mechanics intact what a state needs.

From Nehru's Tryst with Destiny to Modi's GreatBharat... India envisions itself as State which 'deserves' to be a GreatPower/GlobalPower... because of its size and now large market.

That is why the Emblems of GreatPower Stature could be seen from the retired ACs from the RoyalNavy...to the Russian one and now their own local AC... and of course, leasing of Akula or building the Indian SSN... ICBMs..etc.


However, we need also to understand that the Quality of Economy of both India and China are different.... once again... GDP means whatever you want it to mean... a tiny Singapore is fully developed with its 'small' economy than India with its persumed $3Trillion GDP.

In case of China we see a different picture... even after opening up and SEZs ... China's first AC was bought as junk to be converted into Casino... and now... Type003 .... SSNs, SSBNs.. Homemade FighterJets and total freedom in all weapons systems.. End-to-End Independence in Weapons!

Now the Sino-Indian Contest for 'Dominance' gets muddied... because the fundamental difference between the Nature of the two giant... you have correctly underlined that!

India can never be a GreatPower if it remains under the Shadow of the Dragon and doesn't stand on its own... but it cann't ... hence, the Concert of Democracies and Quads of Concerts and more fancy terms..

China doesn't see India through the same prism... because for China to be TheMiddleKingdom it needs to Incorporate the DollarSystem... NOT replacing it... and by doing so... gain the Centre!

As you draw our attention to BRI... which is clearly a longterm StategicFramework of becoming the Centre ... but without the Old Doctorine of ForceDominance ... its more nuanced and purely driven by the creating an enviroment condusive to economic development of China...which is now a middle income country... and the ChineseDream in essence is to be PerCapita Income of DevelopedWest... average!!!

And to achieve this it needs economic integeration of ASEAN, SouthAsia, Europe/Eurasia and Africa.. the process is already quite advanced.


Unlike the West... China has NO Experience of Dealing with World.. the West has 400yrs of headstart...from colonisation to now Bend-the-Knee Wokeness...

The example of Pakistan that you provided... is an apt one... Pakistan is NOT a RegionalPower in ClassicalSense ... but Pakistan is a Power with CrucialityQoutient much higher than some very developed powers in Europe... that is what makes Pakistan The ChallengerPower.

Now what Pakistan is to India, as you explained, India Cann't be to China!

India did try to Market its SoftPower... but it has not been able to convert that into tangible results. Of late we have seen a reverse in that SoftPower....

France and Germany were always traditional rivals on the ContinentalEurope... they shared borders .... had almost equvilent development levels... but both could never truly dominate the other...

The case of Sino-India rivilary/competition is a bit more complex than Franco-German struggles for Power...

India's rejection of BRI is more to do with its Angst of being under the Shadow of the Dragon than anything else.


From BRICS to AIIB to SCO to TrilateralDialouge... the Chinese have been trying to bring in India into Sino-Russian orbit...... this in itself will be limiting the Indian leverage... because, India has enjoyed, since, 1990s and post 2001 enormus favour from the US led CombinedWest... think of BPOs and IT related revenues...

In IndianCalculus the US led CombinedWest is the added boost that will help it to CounterChina.. and deliver India economic and technological benefits... to expand its industrial powerbase...

However, as in every thing.. there is a trade-off in this joining the ChinaContainmentParty.... the price is that now India cann't play the both sides for its benefits...proof = PLA in Ladakh, Sikkim...and still in Doklam...

India has also committed itself to the DollarSystem.. ... even very recently it voted against IMF SDR which was supported by Russia, China and others... only US and India opposed.

Unlike Franco-German wars/conflicts ... Sino-India conflicts are of very different nature, scope and durance.

India cann't directly Challenge China and China doesn't wish to 'loose' India to the otherside....

This brings the Question of NetWorth of two states..giants as they are!!!

Pipelines from CentralAsia and Russia are already plugged into China. CPEC Phase2 is warming up... BRI, Digital BRI, Health BRI and DigitalYuan ... all moving forward..

What are India's own, homemade, counter programs to the Chinese ones?

If India is Challenged by Pakistan then China is now in ColdWar with the US!

The Key to Victory in this Game is Distributed Networks and becoming Independent in NewTechnologies.. Semiconductors to GeneticEngineering..to QuantuamComputing to AI in Space!

If we are honest and take a detached view, we can clearly see the NetPower of both Giants!

Peace is Wise!

War is Stupid!


Mangus
 
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I would love to hear the opinions of @Joe Shearer and @PanzerKiel on this, please!

Sir, I agree with a large part of your analysis except that we need to be solely focusing on STEM fields. It has to be on academia in general because we need high quality professionals everywhere. The future economy is going to be much more complex especially with the increasing automation of the industry therefore we need a more holistic approach towards development rather than a mere specialist one.
@jaibi

PakBrother mine,

Thought, detached and balanced view of things!

Indeed, the Balance-of-Power Doctorine is now an Investment with decreasing returns. And it has also become costly for the SponsorState as well.

As the Nature of Power transits from post WW2 Structures into more Distributed Networks ... a classic Power of Balance won't work anymore...

We have seen the utter destructive power of proxies... but that was/is ChoasParadigm or Doctorine... and its theatre has also shrunk... once again proving there is IntialGains in Proxies but net outcome can be anything... cases in point are Iraq, Syria and Libya... enroumus ChoaticOpening and destruction...but in the end, despite huge investments... and loss of human lives.. Power is in Flux there as well...

Understanding the Essence of this PowerFlux, perhaps, guide us towards the Dynamics you have demonstrated in your analysis.

What does China want?

To be not the leader of the WorldOrder but be its Centre... sharing/collaborating without ActiveConflict ... TheMiddleKingdom ... but driven by Technology and ScientificMethod... e.g. look at their educational system and output of STEM graduates and the ranking of their universities... and number of patents... also, the increasing maturity of its End-to-End TechnologyEcosystems...

Not fully indpendent..but in the world of NewTech no state can be Stand-Alone.... or Independent. FACT!

What does the US want?

Another Century of the DollarSystem.

What does India want?

We have to understand the compulsions that drive the IndianStatePolicy. It is not dependent of a political party but its ingrained within the IndianState.

Indians, rightfully, fashion themselves as an ancient civilisation. And thanks to BritishIndia ... the Indians Inhereted a WorkingState... with all the mechanics intact what a state needs.

From Nehru's Tryst with Destiny to Modi's GreatBharat... India envisions itself as State which 'deserves' to be a GreatPower/GlobalPower... because of its size and now large market.

That is why the Emblems of GreatPower Stature could be seen from the retired ACs from the RoyalNavy...to the Russian one and now their own local AC... and of course, leasing of Akula or building the Indian SSN... ICBMs..etc.


However, we need also to understand that the Quality of Economy of both India and China are different.... once again... GDP means whatever you want it to mean... a tiny Singapore is fully developed with its 'small' economy than India with its persumed $3Trillion GDP.

In case of China we see a different picture... even after opening up and SEZs ... China's first AC was bought as junk to be converted into Casino... and now... Type003 .... SSNs, SSBNs.. Homemade FighterJets and total freedom in all weapons systems.. End-to-End Independence in Weapons!

Now the Sino-Indian Contest for 'Dominance' gets muddied... because the fundamental difference between the Nature of the two giant... you have correctly underlined that!

India can never be a GreatPower if it remains under the Shadow of the Dragon and doesn't stand on its own... but it cann't ... hence, the Concert of Democracies and Quads of Concerts and more fancy terms..

China doesn't see India through the same prism... because for China to be TheMiddleKingdom it needs to Incorporate the DollarSystem... NOT replacing it... and by doing so... gain the Centre!

As you draw our attention to BRI... which is clearly a longterm StategicFramework of becoming the Centre ... but without the Old Doctorine of ForceDominance ... its more nuanced and purely driven by the creating an enviroment condusive to economic development of China...which is now a middle income country... and the ChineseDream in essence is to be PerCapita Income of DevelopedWest... average!!!

And to achieve this it needs economic integeration of ASEAN, SouthAsia, Europe/Eurasia and Africa.. the process is already quite advanced.


Unlike the West... China has NO Experience of Dealing with World.. the West has 400yrs of headstart...from colonisation to now Bend-the-Knee Wokeness...

The example of Pakistan that you provided... is an apt one... Pakistan is NOT a RegionalPower in ClassicalSense ... but Pakistan is a Power with CrucialityQoutient much higher than some very developed powers in Europe... that is what makes Pakistan The ChallengerPower.

Now what Pakistan is to India, as you explained, India Cann't be to China!

India did try to Market its SoftPower... but it has not been able to convert that into tangible results. Of late we have seen a reverse in that SoftPower....

France and Germany were always traditional rivals on the ContinentalEurope... they shared borders .... had almost equvilent development levels... but both could never truly dominate the other...

The case of Sino-India rivilary/competition is a bit more complex than Franco-German struggles for Power...

India's rejection of BRI is more to do with its Angst of being under the Shadow of the Dragon than anything else.


From BRICS to AIIB to SCO to TrilateralDialouge... the Chinese have been trying to bring in India into Sino-Russian orbit...... this in itself will be limiting the Indian leverage... because, India has enjoyed, since, 1990s and post 2001 enormus favour from the US led CombinedWest... think of BPOs and IT related revenues...

In IndianCalculus the US led CombinedWest is the added boost that will help it to CounterChina.. and deliver India economic and technological benefits... to expand its industrial powerbase...

However, as in every thing.. there is a trade-off in this joining the ChinaContainmentParty.... the price is that now India cann't play the both sides for its benefits...proof = PLA in Ladakh, Sikkim...and still in Doklam...

India has also committed itself to the DollarSystem.. ... even very recently it voted against IMF SDR which was supported by Russia, China and others... only US and India opposed.

Unlike Franco-German wars/conflicts ... Sino-India conflicts are of very different nature, scope and durance.

India cann't directly Challenge China and China doesn't wish to 'loose' India to the otherside....

This brings the Question of NetWorth of two states..giants as they are!!!

Pipelines from CentralAsia and Russia are already plugged into China. CPEC Phase2 is warming up... BRI, Digital BRI, Health BRI and DigitalYuan ... all moving forward..

What are India's own, homemade, counter programs to the Chinese ones?

If India is Challenged by Pakistan then China is now in ColdWar with the US!

The Key to Victory in this Game is Distributed Networks and becoming Independent in NewTechnologies.. Semiconductors to GeneticEngineering..to QuantuamComputing to AI in Space!

If we are honest and take a detached view, we can clearly see the NetPower of both Giants!

Peace is Wise!

War is Stupid!


Mangus
 
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There is no such thing as sino indian competition. There is only sino us competition.

Before joining any race Indian should build more toilets.
 
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I would love to hear the opinions of @Joe Shearer and @PanzerKiel on this, please!

Sir, I agree with a large part of your analysis except that we need to be solely focusing on STEM fields. It has to be on academia in general because we need high quality professionals everywhere. The future economy is going to be much more complex especially with the increasing automation of the industry therefore we need a more holistic approach towards development rather than a mere specialist one.

Very quickly, without prejudice: Focusing solely on STEM fields is EXTREMELY dangerous; it breeds fanboys. I put most of the reasons for India suddenly over the last ten or fifteen years having developed a beefy segment of totally toxic minds to this phenomenon: the growth of capitation fee colleges for engineering and for medical education that built a generation that was trained but not educated. So this flood of internal migrants from the villages and small towns brought all their prejudices and all their unrelieved majoritarian impulses to the city, sacrificed enormously to get trained, and got the money and surplus time to range freely over the more sinister parts of the Internet. The result is what you see on social media, on the comments section of Dawn, in sneers and foul-mouthed superficially patriotic comments on YouTube, in gangs roaming Quora - the lot.

It is imperative that the concentration should be on academics; if there is STEM (there must be, there has to be), it has to be through courses that actively seek to build balanced personalities, people who are aware of the past, who are not brain-washed into religion-driven fascist mind-sets, who are open to questioning their fundamental beliefs and systems, who are open to tolerance of those who deviate from their own beliefs.

I could not emphasise more what has just been so tersely articulated above - a more holistic approach towards development rather than a mere specialist one.

This should be inscribed in letters of gold and EVERY teacher should be summoned into a mass assembly once a week and asked to reflect on this fundamental goal of education, of education and not of training.

There is no such thing as sino indian competition. There is only sino us competition.

Before joining any race Indian should build more toilets.

Agree totally with both your points.
 
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Sir, I think the appreciation of the social aspect of knowledge comes after military experience. I fully agree with you as I said, in fact, if you study terrorism, it interestingly thrives in Engineering with rates being estimated from 70-94% because the field seems to encourage black and white thinking. Complete truths and complete falsities instead of grey areas and interpretations.

I'm thinking of writing an article named the Desi Mindset about the very thing you've quoted. Well educated people spitting nothing but venom because they aren't broad minded enough to accept that there are ranges in interpretations as well as the rampant prejudiced view of the world. That's why I also think we need a broader focus on knowledge being wisdom instead of just churning out STEM graduates and using them as tools.

Thank you for your input, sir. Would you like to critique the article as well?
Very quickly, without prejudice: Focusing solely on STEM fields is EXTREMELY dangerous; it breeds fanboys. I put most of the reasons for India suddenly over the last ten or fifteen years having developed a beefy segment of totally toxic minds to this phenomenon: the growth of capitation fee colleges for engineering and for medical education that built a generation that was trained but not educated. So this flood of internal migrants from the villages and small towns brought all their prejudices and all their unrelieved majoritarian impulses to the city, sacrificed enormously to get trained, and got the money and surplus time to range freely over the more sinister parts of the Internet. The result is what you see on social media, on the comments section of Dawn, in sneers and foul-mouthed superficially patriotic comments on YouTube, in gangs roaming Quora - the lot.

It is imperative that the concentration should be on academics; if there is STEM (there must be, there has to be), it has to be through courses that actively seek to build balanced personalities, people who are aware of the past, who are not brain-washed into religion-driven fascist mind-sets, who are open to questioning their fundamental beliefs and systems, who are open to tolerance of those who deviate from their own beliefs.

I could not emphasise more what has just been so tersely articulated above - a more holistic approach towards development rather than a mere specialist one.

This should be inscribed in letters of gold and EVERY teacher should be summoned into a mass assembly once a week and asked to reflect on this fundamental goal of education, of education and not of training.



Agree totally with both your points.
 
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Sir, I think the appreciation of the social aspect of knowledge comes after military experience. I fully agree with you as I said, in fact, if you study terrorism, it interestingly thrives in Engineering with rates being estimated from 70-94% because the field seems to encourage black and white thinking. Complete truths and complete falsities instead of grey areas and interpretations.

I'm thinking of writing an article named the Desi Mindset about the very thing you've quoted. Well educated people spitting nothing but venom because they aren't broad minded enough to accept that there are ranges in interpretations as well as the rampant prejudiced view of the world. That's why I also think we need a broader focus on knowledge being wisdom instead of just churning out STEM graduates and using them as tools.

Thank you for your input, sir. Would you like to critique the article as well?

I will be happy to support you. @Shantanu_Left, who persists in alternately exasperating and enthusing a reader, might have valuable input on this specific point as well.
 
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There is no such thing as sino indian competition. There is only sino us competition.

Before joining any race Indian should build more toilets.
Ok but stop eating bat soup first.

Very quickly, without prejudice: Focusing solely on STEM fields is EXTREMELY dangerous; it breeds fanboys. I put most of the reasons for India suddenly over the last ten or fifteen years having developed a beefy segment of totally toxic minds to this phenomenon: the growth of capitation fee colleges for engineering and for medical education that built a generation that was trained but not educated. So this flood of internal migrants from the villages and small towns brought all their prejudices and all their unrelieved majoritarian impulses to the city, sacrificed enormously to get trained, and got the money and surplus time to range freely over the more sinister parts of the Internet. The result is what you see on social media, on the comments section of Dawn, in sneers and foul-mouthed superficially patriotic comments on YouTube, in gangs roaming Quora - the lot.

It is imperative that the concentration should be on academics; if there is STEM (there must be, there has to be), it has to be through courses that actively seek to build balanced personalities, people who are aware of the past, who are not brain-washed into religion-driven fascist mind-sets, who are open to questioning their fundamental beliefs and systems, who are open to tolerance of those who deviate from their own beliefs.

I could not emphasise more what has just been so tersely articulated above - a more holistic approach towards development rather than a mere specialist one.

This should be inscribed in letters of gold and EVERY teacher should be summoned into a mass assembly once a week and asked to reflect on this fundamental goal of education, of education and not of training.



Agree totally with both your points.
Dont mind but as a engineer with decades of experience, what you have written is mostly fluff.
STEM with specialization is needed in India on a massive scale, too many mamta banajees and lalu prasads ruling the roost here.
In India, engineers learn on the job . Most wont know where the pump starts and motor ends in a monobloc pump fresh out of college. The college is too much theoretical and very less practical. So at end of 4 years , people with excellent brains come out as generalists. It takes them years to actually contribute anything to their work areas. IT might be a exception. A total waste of 4 years.
All this talk of balanced personalities is hogwash.
 
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Ok but stop eating bat soup first.


Dont mind but as a engineer with decades of experience, what you have written is mostly fluff.
STEM with specialization is needed in India on a massive scale, too many mamta banajees and lalu prasads ruling the roost here.
In India, engineers learn on the job . Most wont know where the pump starts and motor ends in a monobloc pump fresh out of college. The college is too much theoretical and very less practical. So at end of 4 years , people with excellent brains come out as generalists. It takes them years to actually contribute anything to their work areas. IT might be a exception. A total waste of 4 years.
All this talk of balanced personalities is hogwash.

I don't agree.

Most bhakts are from this class; they have to be strangled at birth. Nothing personal.

Incidentally, for most of my adult life I have managed engineers with decades of experience, or worked with them. I agree with your pungent remarks about IT - a total waste of 4 years.
 
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I don't agree.

Most bhakts are from this class; they have to be strangled at birth. Nothing personal.

Incidentally, for most of my adult life I have managed engineers with decades of experience, or worked with them. I agree with your pungent remarks about IT - a total waste of 4 years.
People who can contribute nothing are the ones with the best intentions.
You misunderstood the IT remark.
And I understand your compulsion to take a extreme stance in this forum.
 
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People who can contribute nothing are the ones with the best intentions.
You misunderstood the IT remark.
And I understand your compulsion to take a extreme stance in this forum.

It has nothing to do with this forum. I believe that this correction is needed on a civilisational basis. I have a paper on it, the day you make the rash mistake of agreeing to examine more evidence.

I made no mistake about the IT part of it. That was from the background of teaching several cohorts the waterfall method (I was too old to get into OOA and OOD). Several of those whom I paid paltry sums and taught as they came straight out of engineering are GM rank in first-class companies in India and abroad.
 
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It has nothing to do with this forum. I believe that this correction is needed on a civilisational basis. I have a paper on it, the day you make the rash mistake of agreeing to examine more evidence.
The march of nationalism and technology can happen simultaneously, not a linear phenomenon . China can be a example.
And the rise of anti Pakistan feelings was fueled by their actions since the 90s if we forget the 80s khalistan support. Culminated in the Mumbai massacre, where it turned a lot of moderates in India. The anti Muslim rhetoric is a passing phase, it will disappear if bjp loses. Inter religious violence in India is common since independence. And all religions have played their part. It's not in a Indians ethos to have a rigid mindset.
 
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The march of nationalism and technology can happen simultaneously, not a linear phenomenon . China can be a example.
And the rise of anti Pakistan feelings was fueled by their actions since the 90s if we forget the 80s khalistan support. Culminated in the Mumbai massacre, where it turned a lot of moderates in India. The anti Muslim rhetoric is a passing phase, it will disappear if bjp loses. Inter religious violence in India is common since independence. And all religions have played their part. It's not in a Indians ethos to have a rigid mindset.

I see nothing in most of your post that needs a response except the bit in red.

Perhaps we need an Indian ethos with a more rigid mindset? a modernising, secularising one?
 
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I bet we will do better than China in the long term, we will grow and play a major part in the global affairs as well as assert our influence in this world.

Chinese weekness is their power center CPC and its 9 dashed line.

Post covid China is been on the back foot and continues to do so, the 9 dashed line and the tussles with the neighbors around it will not help. China relies on exports, with out them it can only grow through internal consumption. Export oriented growth is suited for smaller nations not Giants. Anyway Chinese have reached the cutoff point where they cannot produce cheap goods any more.
India has progressed well in these 2 decades mostly through services sector and internal consumption, we are yet to unlock our potential in manufacturing and exports. I bet on Modi Govt. to implement reforms in this regard.
A notable decision that is taken recently is agriculture reforms.
India is betting on tourism(temple tourism as well as Indian Ocean Islands), Agricultural growth (encouraging cash crops), Defense and Aero space sector growth, Telecommunications and Manufacturing.
Fortunately BJP gained the trust of Indians and this gives more confidence to the current Govt.
 
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I see nothing in most of your post that needs a response except the bit in red.

Perhaps we need an Indian ethos with a more rigid mindset? a modernising, secularising one?
The topic is realpolitiks by china , so we discuss India somewhere else.
The effect of the Chinese actions on India and the responses from India should be the focus.
 
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