Analysis of 900 biographies of LeT operatives killed between 1989-1990

[ExtraOdinary]

I have been following Christine Fair for quite some time. She used to be a Pro-Pakistani, seems to have changed sides now

 

[Dillinger]

Very, very unlikely.

Kashmiris have had enough of being made pawns and substitutes for other people's desire for revenge.

But sir all the outfits like LeT are proclaiming that they will renew their "jihad" from 2014 onward. Every Pakistani poster claims that he or she has it on good authority, from sources within the military and the government, that Pakistan's situation will improve drastically after 2014. Afghanistan will be brought back into the fold and then there will be an opportunity to renew their struggle. What is your take on all of these factors? Do you see Afghanistan falling to Pakistani proxies and its blow back in Kashmir? If not then pardon me for requesting some substantiation.

 

[Armstrong]

@Dillinger : Abaaiii tuuu kabhiii koii kaaam bhii kartaaa haiii yaaa sareiiii diiin PDF pe hiii apniii critique deiteiii rehtaaa haiii ?

I remember they - the people at the audit firm - nearly killed me with the workload during my 6 month stint there !

 

[indushek]

Might sound idealistic and soft and cliched too but

Heart pains reading even few, it seems people are destined to be used as scapegoats for a cause!!!

What cause justifies this kind of human suffering particularly when ideologues are safe and sound along with their families while these cannon fodder suffer. Human mind is really fascinating it can be very very clever and very very stupid.

Thing is Pakistan can still salvage the rider being "under ideal conditions". Can the ones in driving seat understand the damage done and yet to come now ?? May god have mercy on these souls twisted by a twisted logic.

 

[Bang Galore]

It is critical that we keep steady under fire, take our casualties and not react foolishly.

This is the scary part. One of my biggest worries is if the BJP gets to power & someone like Modi becomes PM with all the expectations now and is stymied on every domestic policy front by the nature of the coalition, there will be a great danger of showing "strength" externally by responding to an act of provocation when a better course of action might be to remain conservative & wait for, as you suggested, a burn out to happen. Best course of action is to deal with Pakistan in such circumstances by exploiting internal fissures but that doesn't do much for political showmanship and that might be what is deemed necessary to shore up a "strong" image. There is something like "the image owning you". Scary that.

 

[notsuperstitious]

If a million words could be spoken by judicious silence, pakistani posters have said it very well. After a cacophony of propaganda and sloganeering, the silence sure is welcome.

Still can't get this out of my head, less than 17 years old. What kind of evil are we dealing with here.

 

[Bang Galore]

But sir all the outfits like LeT are proclaiming that they will renew their "jihad" from 2014 onward. Every Pakistani poster claims that he or she has it on good authority, from sources within the military and the government, that Pakistan's situation will improve drastically after 2014. Afghanistan will be brought back into the fold and then there will be an opportunity to renew their struggle. What is your take on all of these factors? Do you see Afghanistan falling to Pakistani proxies and its blow back in Kashmir? If not then pardon me for requesting some substantiation.

The chance of blow back in Kashmir is low though they exist. The Indian army is infinitely better placed to deal with any enhanced attempts at infiltration. However the more important point is that India is likely to make sure that the militants have plenty of fighting that they can do in Afghanistan & border areas of Pakistan, something that should keep them occupied for quite some time. After all, Pakistan is the "buffer", about time we used it as such.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I have been following Christine Fair for quite some time. She used to be a Pro-Pakistani, seems to have changed sides now

Maybe she has grown up?

But sir all the outfits like LeT are proclaiming that they will renew their "jihad" from 2014 onward. Every Pakistani poster claims that he or she has it on good authority, from sources within the military and the government, that Pakistan's situation will improve drastically after 2014. Afghanistan will be brought back into the fold and then there will be an opportunity to renew their struggle. What is your take on all of these factors? Do you see Afghanistan falling to Pakistani proxies and its blow back in Kashmir? If not then pardon me for requesting some substantiation.

And do you believe that?
For starters, 2014 is still some way off. Then the recipe that is cooking is not so simple or straight-forward.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The chance of blow back in Kashmir is low though they exist. The Indian army is infinitely better placed to deal with any enhanced attempts at infiltration. However the more important point is that India is likely to make sure that the militants have plenty of fighting that they can do in Afghanistan & border areas of Pakistan, something that should keep them occupied for quite some time. After all, Pakistan is the "buffer", about time we used it as such.

The first part is correct. The second part is a reality.

Let get our brains to chew on some things. Of late there have been numerous dialogs about Afghanistan; all over the world and involving all kinds of people. Including India and China! Did this ever happen before? Why is it happening now? Gotta be some reasons.....

 

[Abingdonboy]

But sir all the outfits like LeT are proclaiming that they will renew their "jihad" from 2014 onward. Every Pakistani poster claims that he or she has it on good authority, from sources within the military and the government, that Pakistan's situation will improve drastically after 2014. Afghanistan will be brought back into the fold and then there will be an opportunity to renew their struggle. What is your take on all of these factors? Do you see Afghanistan falling to Pakistani proxies and its blow back in Kashmir? If not then pardon me for requesting some substantiation.

Mate do you not understand that the audience for these remarks is not India at all. It is to be heard by the Pakstani generals who pay the LeT's and others wages. Not to mention the Pakistani public as a whole who despite all the self-inflicted strife still see India as enemy number ONE. And anyway LeT has always been loyal to the ISI and Pakistani military, there focus has almost entirely been India and Kashmir so what is new?


Also it seems those who are worried about post-2014 think the Valley is in the same state as the 90s or 80s. Well on so many fronts this is untrue. Firstly one only has to look at the IA and the ring of steel they have put in place along the LoC and the valley. Layers upon layers of fences tipped with concertina wire. Every hundred metres well armed and well prepared manned IA posts, a network of integrated ground sensors and motion sensing thermal imaging cameras. Not to mention the countless UAV sorties the IA carries out. There is a reason succesful infiltration attempts have reduced to a trickle.


Just read this and watch the vid to see what measures the IA takes to keep these SCUM out of India:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...-indian-army-aviation-special-operations.html



Also do you not think the IA is gearing up and readying itself in kind? From what I am hearing there is A LOT of work going into preparations for any potential spillover in the valley come 2014. Do you think it is a coincidence the new Assualt Rifles and CQB weapons will be issued to the RR first and that too in mid-2014?


Additionally as has been said and proven the valley isn't the same as 20 or 30 years ago. Now most just want to get a good job,live a good life and have peace. Pakistan is clearly not a country they want to align themselves with and Indian investment is helping many Kashmiris signifcantly.


As the above stats prove the majority of infiltrators are from the outside if IK so if the IA can successfully keep them out as they have uptil now then there is no reason the Valley will see any serious differences come 2014 and beyond.

 

[SamantK]

This is the scary part. One of my biggest worries is if the BJP gets to power & someone like Modi becomes PM with all the expectations now and is stymied on every domestic policy front by the nature of the coalition, there will be a great danger of showing "strength" externally by responding to an act of provocation when a better course of action might be to remain conservative & wait for, as you suggested, a burn out to happen. Best course of action is to deal with Pakistan in such circumstances by exploiting internal fissures but that doesn't do much for political showmanship and that might be what is deemed necessary to shore up a "strong" image. There is something like "the image owning you". Scary that.

Sir, while you may be correct in your observation but I have one too in this regard.

Saying simply that you fear that Modi will try to showcase himself a strong politician given certain circumstances does not seem to be very plausible. For instance, he had been the ridicule of many kind of attacks, personally and politically. We never saw him loose control and make tit for tat statements. It might be due to his aspirations of the highest office in the recent times. However, nothing stopped him to do that before and after the riots.

So, I can't think he will not go into such base tactics but then again you never know. Rahul might do something like you suggest to show he is strong which he is desperately trying to achieve and seems clearly far away from it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, while you may be correct in your observation but I have one too in this regard.

Saying simply that you fear that Modi will try to showcase himself a strong politician given certain circumstances does not seem to be very plausible. For instance, he had been the ridicule of many kind of attacks, personally and politically. We never saw him loose control and make tit for tat statements. It might be due to his aspirations of the highest office in the recent times. However, nothing stopped him to do that before and after the riots.

So, I can't think he will not go into such base tactics but then again you never know. Rahul might do something like you suggest to show he is strong which he is desperately trying to achieve and seems clearly far away from it.

Someone who is capable of sacrificing so many lives in order to shore up his political position is capable of going to any length for the sake of a bigger chair. He is a Musharraf analogue, clever about tactics, bankrupt about strategy and free of any moral constraint.

 

[SamantK]

Someone who is capable of sacrificing so many lives in order to shore up his political position is capable of going to any length for the sake of a bigger chair. He is a Musharraf analogue, clever about tactics, bankrupt about strategy and free of any moral constraint.

Sir, you maybe right as always but I think that he has been the centre of so much attention that if he really was as guilty as you put him to be, something might have come up against him despite all the judiciary and the central govt. going after him.

I feel a lot of propaganda has been out out but then are we with all the facts to go any which way?

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

LOL..

"Freedom Fighters" ? Poor brainwashed pakistani punjabi kids!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, you maybe right as always but I think that he has been the centre of so much attention that if he really was as guilty as you put him to be, something might have come up against him despite all the judiciary and the central govt. going after him.

I feel a lot of propaganda has been out out but then are we with all the facts to go any which way?

A man who uses a popular mandate to cover up his tracks? And you say that nothing has come up? That is not ignorance, that is pure love.