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Analysis: Is Russia Relevant for India?

P. Stobdan

December 08, 2014

Vladimir Putin is visiting New Delhi this year for the 15th Indo-Russian Summit after having reincorporated Crimea into Russia and taken a tough stance against the West in the Ukraine crisis. He has stood up against the various attempts by the West to isolate Russia. There is no doubting that a renewed standoff between Russia and the West has ramifications. These events have put India in an awkward diplomatic situation. Further, Moscow’s big shift towards Beijing has caused worries and its decision to forge defence cooperation with Islamabad has sown confusion and doubts in New Delhi. In a veiled signal, Putin also sent Russia’s Defence Minister to Islamabad weeks before his own visit to New Delhi.

Russia is upset with India’s defence procurement policy and is unable to digest the fact that the United States is overtaking Russia in the Indian weaponry market. Many in Moscow are sulking, seeking retribution by ending the arms blockade of Pakistan to compensate for the losses suffered in the Indian market. A host of voices has emerged in the Russian media asking with ‘whom does India stand – the US or Russia?’

In India, sceptics question whether the old and time-tested Indo-Russian ties have any relevance for either country today. The two countries have substantially moved away from each other, as can be seen from the divergent courses of their foreign and defence policies. Even the ‘buyer-seller’ defence relationship is being threatened by global competitiveness. India’s disappointment stems from Russia’s failure to meet delivery schedules, its sudden jacking up of costs, reluctance to transfer technology and the supply of unreliable spares. The late delivery of INS Vikramaditya was a case in point. New Delhi is impatient about the progress being made in two joint flagship projects – the stealth Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) based on PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50 and the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) based on Il-214. As things stand, it may take years before production of these aircraft will begin. India and Russia need to tie up the loose ends of these and other joint projects to strengthen bilateral defence ties.

Two-way interactions between India and Russia have dwindled. The annual trade turnover targeted to achieve $20 billion by 2015 still hovers around $10 billion. While the reasons for this are well known, actions to bridge the huge information gap, language barrier, connectivity issues and stiff travel regulations that impede growth in ties are lacking. There remains a serious gap in academic research as well. Russian institutions lack funds. The once popular "Russian studies" in India and “Indology” in Russia are almost dead.

Surely, Russia would be worried about Modi’s ‘Make in India’ campaign and the proposed Indo-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI). The DTTI, in particular, seeks to go beyond a transactional defence relationship by freeing India from import dependency through co-production and co-development in several big-ticket items that are aimed at boosting India’s security and economy. It hopes to create jobs and make India a competitive defence exporter. Be that as it may, behind Modi’s perceptible message seems to lie the understanding that neither the US nor Russia would be able to satisfy his ‘Make in India’ demand.

Instead of feeling hurt, Russia should update the scope of cooperation especially in the field of high technology. But diversification is a major challenge, especially when a linkage is yet to be established between the engines of growth in India and Russia. Russian investment in India is merely $1 billion. Barring a few firms like “Systema”, “Rusal”, “Severstal”, “Kamas” and others, Russia has done little to explore India’s non-defence sector. Whether India’s Gem & Jewellery Export Promotion Council (GJEPC) is able to strike a deal with the world’s largest diamond mining company, Alrosa of Russia, for sourcing rough diamonds directly for the diamond processing industry in India should remain an important item on the Modi-Putin agenda.

India too is yet to explore Russia’s vast technological potential. Russia could refurbish India’s strategic assets, and it has a strong scientific and technological base that can be taken advantage of by India. Russia’s natural resources span a vast territory – now filled by Chinese and South Korean companies. Steps were long needed to take Indian entrepreneurs to these places. ONGC Videsh Ltd. (OVL) has made a tardy investment of $6.5 billion in Russia’s in Sakhalin 1 and Imperial Energy. It is a story of missed opportunity. How Rosneft’s offer of two Siberian oilfields in Vankor and Yurubcheno-Tokhomskoye will be finally taken forward by OVL is an important issue.

Russia is using energy as a powerful weapon of foreign policy to counter the heavy sanctions imposed by the West. Sanctions have provided Russia a strong impetus to establish an axis with China, especially in energy. The new gas deals for supplying 68 billion cubic metres annually could not only significantly offset Russia’sreliance on the European market but also help Beijing alter the balance of power in Asia.

For New Delhi only a blockbuster deal i.e., for laying the proposed $40 billion long-distance oil and gas pipeline from Russia to India can turn around the trade prospect to touch over $100 billion. Energy diplomacy can replace the waning defence business and bring rationality to Indo-Russian relations.

Russia is unnecessarily sowing the seeds for misunderstanding by forging military ties and selling weapons to Islamabad. Of course, courting Islamabad is linked to Moscow’s current isolation, but it has already sold Mi-35 Hind helicopters to Pakistan. The appetite for such sales could only grow further. Russia also sees Pakistan as an important determinant in Afghanistan. This time around, Russia’s position may no longer be identical to that of India. It may be more nuanced bordering somewhere between the Indian and Pakistani policies on Afghanistan. In 2000, Putin told Indian parliament that “the same organisations that were creating problems in the Indian state of J&K were behind problems in Chechnya and other parts of the Russian Caucasus.” But now, citing a packed schedule, Putin has cancelled his programme to address the Indian Parliament.

However, the strategic partnership with Russia cannot be wished away so easily. Russia is still politically, diplomatically and militarily important for India. A country with large stockpiles of strategic bombers and a veto power in the UNSC acts as a useful counterweight against global hegemony. Here, India needs to be mindful of the risk of relying totally on the US, which could restrict access to civil-military technologies and snap all cooperation should India decide to lift its self-imposed moratorium on nuclear weapons testing. New Delhi also cannot ignore the geostrategic calculations, where the US can never replace Russia politically and operationally in case of a national crisis. Moscow, in the past, effectively checkmated any misadventure by China or Pakistan to undermine India’s territorial integrity. Russia’s diplomatic support to India in the context of the issue of Kashmir cannot be lost sight of, especially when the traditionally strong US-Pakistan relationship and China-Pakistan nexus still persists.

India also should not forget Russian assistance in civil nuclear and civilian space programmes, especially when others had shunned nuclear commerce with India. However, challenges for implementing the proposed roadmap of constructing the remaining 12 nuclear power reactors after the completion of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plants need to be addressed.

Importantly, the trust and comfort factor in the India-Russia relationship still exists. Irrespective of what Modi hopes to gain from the US and other powers, he needs to see ties with Russia as pivotal to India’s core national interests. Russia supports India joining the SCO as full member. This could happen when Modi goes to Ufa in July 2015, unless of course China were to stall that in retaliation for India’s unwillingness to admit China into SAARC.

Modi needs to find more diligent ways to reboot the relationship with Russia and make it more relevant for changing times. Indications are that Modi is keen on turning around the relationship in a big way.

About the author
Ambassador P. Stobdan is a distinguished academician, diplomat, author and national security expert. He began his career as a security analyst in 1989 at the Institute for Defence Studies & Analyses (IDSA), where he reached to the topmost academic position of Senior Fellow in 2005. Ambassador Stobdan is a specialist on Asian affairs covering Central Asia and Inner Asia, including Xinjiang, Tibet, Myanmar and the Himalayan region. He has written extensively on a wide range of security-related subjects in a number of professional journals on strategic affairs, books and newspapers both in India and abroad. He served in Central Asia twice, as Director at the Embassy of India, Almaty (1999 and 2002) and Ambassador at the Embassy of India, Bishkek (2010-2012). He has also served as Joint Director in the Indian National Security Council. Between October 2006 and November 2007, he was Director of the Centre for Strategic and Regional Studies at the University of Jammu. He is a member of the India International Centre, New Delhi.

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Is Russia Relevant for India? | INSTITUTE FOR DEFENCE STUDIES AND ANALYSES
 
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Nothing has changed between Russia and India.
Our relationship is time-tested and it won't be affected by some irrelevant country in our western borders.
 
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Analysis: Is Russia Relevant for India?

P. Stobdan

December 08, 2014

Vladimir Putin is visiting New Delhi this year for the 15th Indo-Russian Summit after having reincorporated Crimea into Russia and taken a tough stance against the West in the Ukraine crisis. He has stood up against the various attempts by the West to isolate Russia. There is no doubting that a renewed standoff between Russia and the West has ramifications. These events have put India in an awkward diplomatic situation. Further, Moscow’s big shift towards Beijing has caused worries and its decision to forge defence cooperation with Islamabad has sown confusion and doubts in New Delhi. In a veiled signal, Putin also sent Russia’s Defence Minister to Islamabad weeks before his own visit to New Delhi.

Russia is upset with India’s defence procurement policy and is unable to digest the fact that the United States is overtaking Russia in the Indian weaponry market. Many in Moscow are sulking, seeking retribution by ending the arms blockade of Pakistan to compensate for the losses suffered in the Indian market. A host of voices has emerged in the Russian media asking with ‘whom does India stand – the US or Russia?’

In India, sceptics question whether the old and time-tested Indo-Russian ties have any relevance for either country today. The two countries have substantially moved away from each other, as can be seen from the divergent courses of their foreign and defence policies. Even the ‘buyer-seller’ defence relationship is being threatened by global competitiveness. India’s disappointment stems from Russia’s failure to meet delivery schedules, its sudden jacking up of costs, reluctance to transfer technology and the supply of unreliable spares. The late delivery of INS Vikramaditya was a case in point. New Delhi is impatient about the progress being made in two joint flagship projects – the stealth Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) based on PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50 and the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) based on Il-214. As things stand, it may take years before production of these aircraft will begin. India and Russia need to tie up the loose ends of these and other joint projects to strengthen bilateral defence ties.

Two-way interactions between India and Russia have dwindled. The annual trade turnover targeted to achieve $20 billion by 2015 still hovers around $10 billion. While the reasons for this are well known, actions to bridge the huge information gap, language barrier, connectivity issues and stiff travel regulations that impede growth in ties are lacking. There remains a serious gap in academic research as well. Russian institutions lack funds. The once popular "Russian studies" in India and “Indology” in Russia are almost dead.

Surely, Russia would be worried about Modi’s ‘Make in India’ campaign and the proposed Indo-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI). The DTTI, in particular, seeks to go beyond a transactional defence relationship by freeing India from import dependency through co-production and co-development in several big-ticket items that are aimed at boosting India’s security and economy. It hopes to create jobs and make India a competitive defence exporter. Be that as it may, behind Modi’s perceptible message seems to lie the understanding that neither the US nor Russia would be able to satisfy his ‘Make in India’ demand.

Instead of feeling hurt, Russia should update the scope of cooperation especially in the field of high technology. But diversification is a major challenge, especially when a linkage is yet to be established between the engines of growth in India and Russia. Russian investment in India is merely $1 billion. Barring a few firms like “Systema”, “Rusal”, “Severstal”, “Kamas” and others, Russia has done little to explore India’s non-defence sector. Whether India’s Gem & Jewellery Export Promotion Council (GJEPC) is able to strike a deal with the world’s largest diamond mining company, Alrosa of Russia, for sourcing rough diamonds directly for the diamond processing industry in India should remain an important item on the Modi-Putin agenda.

India too is yet to explore Russia’s vast technological potential. Russia could refurbish India’s strategic assets, and it has a strong scientific and technological base that can be taken advantage of by India. Russia’s natural resources span a vast territory – now filled by Chinese and South Korean companies. Steps were long needed to take Indian entrepreneurs to these places. ONGC Videsh Ltd. (OVL) has made a tardy investment of $6.5 billion in Russia’s in Sakhalin 1 and Imperial Energy. It is a story of missed opportunity. How Rosneft’s offer of two Siberian oilfields in Vankor and Yurubcheno-Tokhomskoye will be finally taken forward by OVL is an important issue.

Russia is using energy as a powerful weapon of foreign policy to counter the heavy sanctions imposed by the West. Sanctions have provided Russia a strong impetus to establish an axis with China, especially in energy. The new gas deals for supplying 68 billion cubic metres annually could not only significantly offset Russia’sreliance on the European market but also help Beijing alter the balance of power in Asia.

For New Delhi only a blockbuster deal i.e., for laying the proposed $40 billion long-distance oil and gas pipeline from Russia to India can turn around the trade prospect to touch over $100 billion. Energy diplomacy can replace the waning defence business and bring rationality to Indo-Russian relations.

Russia is unnecessarily sowing the seeds for misunderstanding by forging military ties and selling weapons to Islamabad. Of course, courting Islamabad is linked to Moscow’s current isolation, but it has already sold Mi-35 Hind helicopters to Pakistan. The appetite for such sales could only grow further. Russia also sees Pakistan as an important determinant in Afghanistan. This time around, Russia’s position may no longer be identical to that of India. It may be more nuanced bordering somewhere between the Indian and Pakistani policies on Afghanistan. In 2000, Putin told Indian parliament that “the same organisations that were creating problems in the Indian state of J&K were behind problems in Chechnya and other parts of the Russian Caucasus.” But now, citing a packed schedule, Putin has cancelled his programme to address the Indian Parliament.

However, the strategic partnership with Russia cannot be wished away so easily. Russia is still politically, diplomatically and militarily important for India. A country with large stockpiles of strategic bombers and a veto power in the UNSC acts as a useful counterweight against global hegemony. Here, India needs to be mindful of the risk of relying totally on the US, which could restrict access to civil-military technologies and snap all cooperation should India decide to lift its self-imposed moratorium on nuclear weapons testing. New Delhi also cannot ignore the geostrategic calculations, where the US can never replace Russia politically and operationally in case of a national crisis. Moscow, in the past, effectively checkmated any misadventure by China or Pakistan to undermine India’s territorial integrity. Russia’s diplomatic support to India in the context of the issue of Kashmir cannot be lost sight of, especially when the traditionally strong US-Pakistan relationship and China-Pakistan nexus still persists.

India also should not forget Russian assistance in civil nuclear and civilian space programmes, especially when others had shunned nuclear commerce with India. However, challenges for implementing the proposed roadmap of constructing the remaining 12 nuclear power reactors after the completion of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plants need to be addressed.

Importantly, the trust and comfort factor in the India-Russia relationship still exists. Irrespective of what Modi hopes to gain from the US and other powers, he needs to see ties with Russia as pivotal to India’s core national interests. Russia supports India joining the SCO as full member. This could happen when Modi goes to Ufa in July 2015, unless of course China were to stall that in retaliation for India’s unwillingness to admit China into SAARC.

Modi needs to find more diligent ways to reboot the relationship with Russia and make it more relevant for changing times. Indications are that Modi is keen on turning around the relationship in a big way.

About the author
Ambassador P. Stobdan is a distinguished academician, diplomat, author and national security expert. He began his career as a security analyst in 1989 at the Institute for Defence Studies & Analyses (IDSA), where he reached to the topmost academic position of Senior Fellow in 2005. Ambassador Stobdan is a specialist on Asian affairs covering Central Asia and Inner Asia, including Xinjiang, Tibet, Myanmar and the Himalayan region. He has written extensively on a wide range of security-related subjects in a number of professional journals on strategic affairs, books and newspapers both in India and abroad. He served in Central Asia twice, as Director at the Embassy of India, Almaty (1999 and 2002) and Ambassador at the Embassy of India, Bishkek (2010-2012). He has also served as Joint Director in the Indian National Security Council. Between October 2006 and November 2007, he was Director of the Centre for Strategic and Regional Studies at the University of Jammu. He is a member of the India International Centre, New Delhi.

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Is Russia Relevant for India? | INSTITUTE FOR DEFENCE STUDIES AND ANALYSES


Does a friend ever become irrelevant ?
 
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We need to

1)Sign pakfa contract asap
2)Sign mlu deal for mki's with special focus on engines,radar,irst and jammers.Include maws and rwr's too:D
3)Get 2-3 gorkshov class frigates to plug shortages before p-17a starts


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4)Make progress on gas pipeline if feasable
5)Make progress on MTA.

6)Award them project p75i for submarines to compensate for other projects they have lost but only if they agree to install spherical sonar in it like the yasen class submarines.

"This class is the first Russian submarine to be equipped with a spherical sonar, designated as Irtysh-Amfora. The device (allegedly the Irtysh/Amfora sonar system) was tested on a modified Yankee class submarine.[40] The sonar system consists of a spherical bow array, flank arrays and a towed array. Due to the large size of this spherical array, the torpedo tubes are slanted"

Yasen / Graney Class Submarine - Naval Technology
Yasen-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@DrSomnath999

Is the point number 6 feasable??
 
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Nothing has changed between Russia and India.
Our relationship is time-tested and it won't be affected by some irrelevant country in our western borders.
who? us?
but we are just an innocent little country
 
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Russia Must Sit Up and Take Notice of India
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Wikicommons
Under the present circumstances, one would think that President Vladimir Putin's upcoming visit to India this weekend should lead to a quantum leap in Russian-Indian relations. In Prime Minister Narendra Modi, India has a new dynamic leader who is busy reviewing and revising Delhi's economic and foreign policy. This raises challenges for India's traditional partners, but also offers them new opportunities.

Russia, for its part, has entered a long period of adversity and conflict with the United States, and its relations with other Western countries, above all with the European Union member states, have deteriorated to an unexpected degree.

If this opportunity is missed, the drift in the Russian-Indian relationship will continue.

This level of conflict has not been seen since the end of the Cold War and relations with the West show no sign of warming up as long as the situation in Ukraine remains unresolved, so it is imperative that Russia begins to develop previously neglected relationships where it can.

Russia's pivot to Asia, so far, has turned out to be a pivot to just China, on conditions significantly less favorable than what Russia could have hoped to get even a year ago, thanks to the country's increasing international isolation.

Yet it appears that Putin's visit to India this week will not lead to a breakthrough. Friendly words will be exchanged, goodwill demonstrated, and a certain number of agreements signed, but the potentially key relationship will remain adrift.

Essentially, Russia will continue to supply the Indian Armed Forces with various weapons systems and will commit to building nuclear power plants in the country.

No new ground will be broken. The relationship, which was dubbed a strategic partnership many years ago, will continue to be marked by under-achievements.

But things could be very different. India can become a key partner to Russia in a variety of fields. One is science, technology and education. In the run-up to the 2012 APEC summit in Vladivostok, Russia, built a sprawling new complex on Russky Island that it used to accommodate foreign leaders and their parties and then turned it over to the Far Eastern Federal University.

Two years on, the school — which some hoped would be a hub of international intellectual exchanges — is still what it used to be before APEC. A close partnership with leading Indian universities could give it the requisite lifting power. This is merely an example of what should be possible if the idea is to upgrade Russia's educational and scientific facilities through international collaboration.

The time has also come for India and Russia to expand their cooperation in the field of national defense to cover all stages of weapons research, development, testing and production.

When such cooperation with NATO countries, such as France and Italy, has ground to a halt — and is unlikely to be resumed — and the historically close integration of the Russian and Ukrainian defense industries is a thing of the past, India can become an important outside partner for Russia's defense industrial complex.

The traditional supplier-client relationship that has existed between Moscow and Delhi for about 50 years has been overhauled by India's own development, and Russia should begin to pay attention and draw conclusions from that.

As China begins to implement its twin Silk Road strategies, Russia and India need to come up with their own visions of economic integration across Eurasia writ large, including closer links with China as well as other countries, from Southeast Asia to Central Asia, Iran and Turkey.

India's forthcoming membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is an opportunity that can be used to give a new impetus to this organization and provide a better balance within the SCO.

If, on the other hand, this opportunity is missed, the drift in the relationship will continue, to the din of repeated cliches about traditional Russian-Indian friendship.

To achieve any of this, and much more, Russians need to change their basic attitude toward India. It is no longer the developing country of the 1960s feeling its way around in the world and in need of Moscow's support, but a major emerging economy and a great power in Asia, with increasingly global reach.

The friendly, but somewhat unequal, relationship of the Soviet era needs to be replaced by a more serious, more businesslike and yet very friendly partnership relationship.

Russia has countered its recent political quasi-isolation in the West with scorn, asserting that it has many friends elsewhere.

These friends, however, require a real first-class treatment. Russia has done a great deal to cement and expand its ties with China, to the mutual benefit of both countries, but this is not enough.

A sustained effort is needed elsewhere, if Russia's opening to non-Western countries is not to stay rhetorical. India is the right place to start this new effort.

It is too late for Putin to inaugurate a new approach to India this time, but if nothing is done soon following his visit to materially upgrade the relationship, its stagnation will become qualitative, not just quantitative.

Russia Must Sit Up and Take Notice of India | Opinion | The Moscow Times
 
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India against Russia sanctions, to add vigour to ties in Putin-Modi meet

New Delhi: As Russia grapples with a floundering sanctions-hit economy, India set the tempo for Russian President Vladimir Putin's two-day India visit next week, saying that it has clearly spelt out that it "cannot be party" to any economic sanctions against its old friend.

Putin is visiting India on December 10-11 for the 15th Annual India-Russia Summit during which he would hold bilateral talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on December 11.

Arriving on December 10 night and leaving the following night, Putin is unlikely to address a joint session of Parliament, as was planned earlier.

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The two sides will focus on ways to boost trade during talks that will see around 15 agreements inked.

Ajay Bisaria, joint secretary, Eurasia, in the ministry of external affairs, described India-Russia ties as "special and privileged strategic partnership".

He said both countries "have identity or similarity in views on important global issues, including on the threats of terrorism, particularly in Russia and the neighbourhood and on the need to defuse the Cold War like tensions that are increasingly manifesting themselves in global relations".

"India has said clearly that it cannot be party to any economic sanctions against Russia," he said.

India and Russia are to spell out a "joint vision of their relationship for the next 10 years" which will provide a roadmap to advancing the partnership to qualitatively new levels, with strong focus on redefining the economic partnership, he said.

With bilateral trade at $10 billion, the two sides will focus on ways to boost trade during talks that will see around 15 agreements inked, including some between private entities.

Russia, hit by Western sanctions over Ukraine and the falling prices of oil, is looking to other countries to boost its economy.

Modi, who has visited Russia thrice as Gujarat chief minister, had interacted with Putin during those meetings as well as at the BRICS - Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa - summit in Fortaleza, Brazil in July and also in Brisbane, Australia, last month.

The bilateral talks are expected to see both leaders strike a rapport that would take the relationship forward.

Energy issues, including nuclear and hydrocarbons, would be on the talks agenda as well as defence, with Indian importing around 60 per cent of its defence requirements from Russia.

Diamonds are going to be a prominent part of talks as Russia is the world's largest exporter of rough stones and India a world leader in the cutting and polishing industry. Both sides would seek ways to directly trade in diamonds.

Putin's visit comes at the time the World Diamond Conference is being held in New Delhi on December 11-12.

The visit would also see both sides iron out issues over their defence cooperation, including on the joint Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project and joint development of Multi-role Transport Aircraft (MTA).

A final deal on the fifth generation fighter aircraft for production is yet to be inked.

Both sides are also to discuss the BrahMos mini missile by the Indo-Russian joint venture BrahMos Aerospace.

India is also exporting more food items to Russia following the Western sanctions, said sources.

India against Russia sanctions, to add vigour to ties in Putin-Modi meet - IBNLive


Russia keen to participate in “Make in India” initiative

Russia keen to participate in “Make in India” initiative | Russia & India Report
 
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We need to

1)Sign pakfa contract asap
2)Sign mlu deal for mki's with special focus on engines,radar,irst and jammers.Include maws and rwr's too:D
3)Get 2-3 gorkshov class frigates to plug shortages before p-17a starts


View attachment 162911 View attachment 162912
4)Make progress on gas pipeline if feasable
5)Make progress on MTA.

6)Award them project p75i for submarines to compensate for other projects they have lost but only if they agree to install spherical sonar in it like the yasen class submarines.

"This class is the first Russian submarine to be equipped with a spherical sonar, designated as Irtysh-Amfora. The device (allegedly the Irtysh/Amfora sonar system) was tested on a modified Yankee class submarine.[40] The sonar system consists of a spherical bow array, flank arrays and a towed array. Due to the large size of this spherical array, the torpedo tubes are slanted"

Yasen / Graney Class Submarine - Naval Technology
Yasen-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seriously Groshkov class frigate, if one wants to stop gap, then contact Pipavav Shipyard, not Russians.
 
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I believe it is not a matter of relevancy.

Indian as willing as it may be, will not be allowed to get closer to Russia.

India is too tangled with western businesses to be allowed to exercise free will.
 
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@DrSomnath999

Is my point number 6 on spherical sonar feasable??
Yasen is 4-5 times the tonnage of amur,thats the problem.

Seriously Groshkov class frigate, if one wants to stop gap, then contact Pipavav Shipyard, not Russians.

We have nothing even remotely comparable to this at this time.
Piparav is busy,,,the point is to make 2 things in a span of 1.

Plus it comes with poleiment 4 sided aesa radar like mf star,,we have no system comparable to it.

I believe it is not a matter of relevancy.

Indian as willing as it may be, will not be allowed to get closer to Russia.

India is too tangled with western businesses to be allowed to exercise free will.

Its a conscious decision by india,,,we are a poor country looking for serious investment.
Tell me what would pakistan do if given choice??
 
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