ANA keeping female prisoners as sex slaves

[Taimoor Khan]

So this is the "women empowerment" American led west brought to Afghanistan during last 20 years of their occupation? Its the Taliban who are releasing them from their misery, the irony!!

 

[Genghis khan1]

Well that’s an improvement over young boys.
I bet other prisoners, fellow comrades and local animals will also appreciate the change.

 

[Deltadart]

Very happy for these ladies. I hope they go back to their families and are allowed to rebuild their lives in peace. Talibs should do something about eradicating the bacha Bazi culture as well.

 

[nangyale]

Women are naturally vulnerable in such kind of environment i.e. Afghanistan and ana is not a regular force but more of a open source/crowd funded (read warlord funded) militia so such atrocities are bound to happen. However I'm confuse as whether I should be sad that these Kabulis have committed such things with woman or should I be happy that they have finally found other options than adolescent male children. All in all its a mess

Hopefully the "mess" as you put it. Won't be there for long.
The Kabuli pedophiles and rapists are counting their last days in charge.

Hopefully India will open their doors (and much more) to them.

 

[CatSultan]

My point was this : When leftist thought governed Afghanistan the Western governments funded, trained and facilitated regressive Afghans and foreigners to destabilize the country. Will those same Western governments allow socialist or communist SPA to become the government even if the SPA had even one percent chance ? The West would prefer leaving the country with either with the current government in power or with the Taliban in power or some tie-up between the two.

Also, if you go through the SPA's website the movement seems against the USSR's incursion into Afghanistan.



Where did you see high heels ?



I too don't want anyone to impose modern Western "democracy" upon any country. But we must recognize two things :

1. Afghanistan, just like India and Pakistan, has some regressive mentality in the culture which must be countered by progressive and curing movements from among the locals.

2. Muslims and Communism need not be alienated to each other. From my thread from 2016 which is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha :

we don't need Communism. We have islamic economics

 

[Asian.Century]

Rape India is part and parcel of culture of ANA forces too now.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

They rape boys so keeping women as sex slaves is something they learnt from their backer India.

Their pimp daddy india.

 

[jamahir]

But it was a war and the Soviets supported even worse people, Dostum being a prime example.

I don't remember if Dostum was trained in the USSR but Dostum was primarily, and to later regret, supported by Najibullah. And as I linked you to the qz.com article, Najibullah was betrayed by Dostum. So whatever ideological correctness that Dostum had in his earlier years, in the 1990s he became an opportunist.

It was an ideological battle fought between the two superpowers of the time, where the soviet Union was expanding its borders which threatened Pakistan

Why should Pakistan have felt threatened ? Unless its leader was sympathetic to the ideology that the Westerners and the "Mujahideen" espoused ? We know about General Zia, yes ?

Also, not all Pakistanis were opposed to the government of Najibullah. For example, have you read Fatima Bhutto's book Songs of Blood and Sword ? In it she speaks of her father and uncle taking refuge with Najibullah.

Not western ideologies be they communist, capitalist or the latest trend Homophilist.

Communism may have originated in the West but it found its most acceptance and implementation in the East and the Global South.

So I wish you best of luck for your Indian communist enterprise just please don't impose it on us.

Not imposing but trying to reason through debate. After all that is the purpose of a forum.

we don't need Communism. We have islamic economics

And you think the Taliban are educated, sensible and worldy-wise enough to implement Islamic economics ?

And please read the last part of post# 12 where I quote an extract from Nadeem Paracha's article which speaks of how Islamic scholars in undivided India found commonality between Islam and Communism.

 

[Bilal.]

I don't remember if Dostum was trained in the USSR but Dostum was primarily, and to later regret, supported by Najibullah. And as I linked you to the qz.com article, Najibullah was betrayed by Dostum. So whatever ideological correctness that Dostum had in his earlier years, in the 1990s he became an opportunist.



Why should Pakistan have felt threatened ? Unless its leader was sympathetic to the ideology that the Westerners and the "Mujahideen" espoused ? We know about General Zia, yes ?

Also, not all Pakistanis were opposed to the government of Najibullah. For example, have you read Fatima Bhutto's book Songs of Blood and Sword ? In it she speaks of her father and uncle taking refuge with Najibullah.



Communism may have originated in the West but it found its most acceptance and implementation in the East and the Global South.



Not imposing but trying to reason through debate. After all that is the purpose of a forum.



And you think the Taliban are educated, sensible and worldy-wise enough to implement Islamic economics ?

And please read the last part of post# 12 where I quote an extract from Nadeem Paracha's article which speaks of how Islamic scholars in undivided India found commonality between Islam and Communism.

Question: what’s your priority. You point to commonality between Islam and communism. What would be your choice on points that are not shared and in which there is disagreement between the two?

 

[jamahir]

Question: what’s your priority. You point to commonality between Islam and communism. What would be your choice on points that are not shared and in which there is disagreement between the two?

As found by those Islamic scholars the immediate disagreements are : Communism calling for a classless society ( I suppose social class, political class and economic class - abolition of money ) and for abolition of private ownership of land, property etc.

I will call for a compromise between the two by :

1. Allowing for a money system but seeing to it that no person is able to accumulate money and become artificially richer than another because money after all is an artificial concept. Please read this proposal of mine.

2. Allowing for a person or group to use big items like land, property, office furniture, office machinery etc to their fullest but the ownership of those items ultimately be by some system-level committees that manage resources on behalf of the people. I will further tell you why total private ownership is not good. In India there are 40 million pending, unresolved court cases at various court levels ( Supreme, High etc ) ! Many of these cases will be of land, property and other privately owned items and some of them will involve violence waged by the disputers. All of that chaos, crime and those millions of pending cases would not have existed if the citizens would have been disallowed to totally privately own those items.

A further difference is that Islam recognizes the family system as one of the fundamental units of society and allows facilities for it in form of marriage law and inheritance law but some Communists, at least in the early days of the USSR, spoke about doing away with the family system on grounds of setting up a more scientific society. I think we as the human race will have to revisit this issue when we begin setting up Mars settlements and may have to ultimately resort to creating children in artificial wombs to account for environmental and social difference on Mars and those children then raised in hostels until the age, say 15, when they attain mental maturity and are sufficiently educated to either be further educated in advanced schools ( say medicine ) or are put into the workforce.

 

[Aesterix]

Normally they keep boys for that purpose. But as cruel as it may sound, it's good to see them behaving more naturally.
Normally Afghan ANA has those scenes.

 

[Bilal.]

As found by those Islamic scholars the immediate disagreements are : Communism calling for a classless society ( I suppose social class, political class and economic class - abolition of money ) and for abolition of private ownership of land, property etc.

I will call for a compromise between the two by :

1. Allowing for a money system but seeing to it that no person is able to accumulate money and become artificially richer than another because money after all is an artificial concept. Please read this proposal of mine.

2. Allowing for a person or group to use big items like land, property, office furniture, office machinery etc to their fullest but the ownership of those items ultimately be by some system-level committees that manage resources on behalf of the people. I will further tell you why total private ownership is not good. In India there are 40 million pending, unresolved court cases at various court levels ( Supreme, High etc ) ! Many of these cases will be of land, property and other privately owned items and some of them will involve violence waged by the disputers. All of that chaos, crime and those millions of pending cases would not have existed if the citizens would have been disallowed to totally privately own those items.

A further difference is that Islam recognizes the family system as one of the fundamental units of society and allows facilities for it in form of marriage law and inheritance law but some Communists, at least in the early days of the USSR, spoke about doing away with the family system on grounds of setting up a more scientific society. I think we as the human race will have to revisit this issue when we begin setting up Mars settlements and may have to ultimately resort to creating children in artificial wombs to account for environmental and social difference on Mars and those children then raised in hostels until the age, say 15, when they attain mental maturity and are sufficiently educated to either be furthered educated in advanced schools ( say medicine ) or are put into the workforce.

Thank you for the answer. So your priority is communism. You would mold and bend Islam to communism. Karl Marx is your guide not Muhammad ur Rasoolullah (S.A.W.).

 

[jamahir]

Thank you for the answer. So your priority is communism. You would mold and bend Islam to communism. Karl Marx is your guide not Muhammad ur Rasoolullah (S.A.W.).

I admire Prophet Muhammad and am proud to own the progressive ideas he proposed. I am also in the computing field and we have a term called "Best practices". Take what is best from others and other streams and philosophies and incorporate those into your ideas and projects.

My user-name is my interpretation of someone who propounds the Libyan Jamahiriya political philosophy which is a Direct Democracy concept. The Venezuelans adapted it for their society. Even Elon Musk speaks for Direct Democracy for near-future Mars settlements.

So, Best practices it is for me.

 

[Bilal.]

I admire Prophet Muhammad and am proud to own the progressive ideas he proposed. I am also in the computing field and we have a term called "Best practices". Take what is best from others and other streams and philosophies and incorporate those into your ideas and projects.

My user-name is my interpretation of someone who propounds the Libyan Jamahiriya political philosophy which is a Direct Democracy concept. The Venezuelans adapted it for their society. Even Elon Musk speaks for Direct Democracy for near-future Mars settlements.

So, Best practices it is for me.

Play of words… you have settled the conclusion while you “admire” Him(S.A.W.) you don’t really want to follow him completely. He(S.A.W.) is just one of many for you. If two ideas are in conflict you will prefer and choose your communism’s teaching or Elon Musk or whatever.

 

[nangyale]

I don't remember if Dostum was trained in the USSR but Dostum was primarily, and to later regret, supported by Najibullah. And as I linked you to the qz.com article, Najibullah was betrayed by Dostum. So whatever ideological correctness that Dostum had in his earlier years, in the 1990s he became an opportunist.

Yes he was, a factory boss in Uzbekistan before he was drafted in to support the war effort. And as a good communist (read opportunist) he kept Najib safe till he ran out of money to pay and the funds promised by India to Najib didn't materialise (surprise, surprise).

Why should Pakistan have felt threatened ? Unless its leader was sympathetic to the ideology that the Westerners and the "Mujahideen" espoused ? We know about General Zia, yes ?

Because soviet Union was aligned with India. And they wanted to implement their anti-islam system on an Islamic society. By the way the mujahiden ideology has nothing to do with western ideologies.
Learn to differentiate between ideological allies and alliances based on common enemy.

Also, not all Pakistanis were opposed to the government of Najibullah. For example, have you read Fatima Bhutto's book Songs of Blood and Sword ? In it she speaks of her father and uncle taking refuge with Najibullah.

Actually I still have that book.
So what did her father and uncle do while in Kabul, create a terrorist organisation called al-zulfiqar. And on his return got murdered by his brother-in-law during the government of his own sister (the progressive/socialist , western educated) Benzir Bhutto (read Zardari)

Communism may have originated in the West but it found its most acceptance and implementation in the East and the Global South.

It's easier to foul and suppress the poor of the global south then rich north-west. (No shit Sherlock).

Not imposing but trying to reason through debate. After all that is the purpose of a forum.

I welcome it bring it on.

And you think the Taliban are educated, sensible and worldy-wise enough to implement Islamic economics ?

Yes a lot of them are educated and know a ton more about Afghanistan's history, politics, economics and geography compared to any confused Indian Muslim/communist/socialist, trying to save his skin by taking a page out of the Jewish playbook.

And please read the last part of post# 12 where I quote an extract from Nadeem Paracha's article which speaks of how Islamic scholars in undivided India found commonality between Islam and Communism.

If you at look a molecular level you will find a lot of similarities between the earth and Mars too. Just remember one is our blue/green home, the other a red hellhole.