An Islamic revival among urban Pakistani women

[VCheng]

why is that ?
im still alive aint I?

I was referring to that other person. And you won't last long either if you become too vocal or resistive.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I was referring to that other person. And you won't last long either if you become too vocal or resistive.

i know that part, so we remain silent, but we try to gather like minded people atleast

 

[VCheng]

i know that part, so we remain silent, but we try to gather like minded people atleast

LOL. The good people are scared into silence, and everybody is marching lockstep straight to hell in Pakistan. Everybody can see that happening.

 

[Jf Thunder]

LOL. The good people are scared into silence, and everybody is marching lockstep straight to hell in Pakistan. Everybody can see that happening.

true and sad

 

[VCheng]

true and sad

Yes, and yes. Witness all the attacks on me here, and know that it is not easy to speak the truth.

Al-Huda is yet another deadly cancer inflicted on an already dying patient.

 

[Spring Onion]

Yeah but they WILL impose it, that's the point. The ease with which these can become a tool of patriarchy is what makes the practice dangerous. Tell me about these 'my choice' people- how many from liberal societies of teh west select a hijab out of 'choice'? Very few. And who are the most vocal proponents of 'my choice' idea- largely women who belong to the patriarchal system most of their lives. I support France on this because their idea of 'irreligious secularism is defined'. Though I will not support it in India because here it is 'equal respect to all religious practices. But in general I consider it a backward idea.

and which are these liberal societies? if you are talking about the WEST then I have a great faith their justice system so I feel women there have greater access to and hope for justice while societies like Pakistan, India and Most of the Muslim world women are at receiving end not because of religion or religious choices but because of tunnel vision by male-dominated society and male-dominated one-sided collective ego.

 

[VCheng]

and which are these liberal societies? if you are talking about the WEST then I have a great faith their justice system so I feel women there have greater access to and hope for justice while societies like Pakistan, India and Most of the Muslim world women are at receiving end not because of religion or religious choices but because of tunnel vision by male-dominated society and male-dominated one-sided collective ego.

But there are many women - such as those in Al-Huda - who are part and parcel of this perverted system that you decry.

 

[Spring Onion]

Yes, and yes. Witness all the attacks on me here, and know that it is not easy to speak the truth.

Al-Huda is yet another deadly cancer inflicted on an already dying patient.

I believe that such organizations and women madrassas are polluting the minds of otherwise simple women.

The urban/rural uneducated or semi-educated women are far less rather hardly fundamental but these kinds of organizations are incorporating fundamentalism in their minds.

But there are many women - such as those in Al-Huda - who are part and parcel of this perverted system that you decry.

These many women turning to al-Huda type orgs because of the same suffocation in our society that is what i feel personally.

 

[VCheng]

I believe that such organizations and women madrassas are polluting the minds of otherwise simple women.

The urban/rural uneducated or semi-educated women are far less rather hardly fundamental but these kinds of organizations are incorporating fundamentalism in their minds.

Agreed. The funny thing that many chose to ignore all the lies and tries that Farhat Hashmi is saying and doing to remain in Canada, while she distributes her vile filth.

These many women turning to al-Huda type orgs because of the same suffocation in our society that is what i feel personally.

But that is no freedom from said suffocation either.

 

[Spring Onion]

Agreed. The funny thing that many chose to ignore all the lies and tries that Farhat Hashmi is saying and doing to remain in Canada, while she distributes her vile filth.

well why Canada or any other developed country allow such people? ban these twisted ideology religious teaching machines

But that is no freedom from said suffocation either.

There are 90% who are not part of it

 

[VCheng]

well why Canada or any other developed country allow such people? ban these twisted ideology religious teaching machines

Because there is freedom here. Freedom to be idiots, as well.

There are 90% who are not part of it

I would suggest that a majority is now in Al-Huda's camp.

 

[Spring Onion]

Because there is freedom here. Freedom to be idiots, as well.

then don't be selective and also understand that hijab is not the problem but the ideology.

I would suggest that a majority is now in Al-Huda's camp.

)) I would suggest you need to examine your head.

 

[VCheng]

then don't be selective and also understand that hijab is not the problem but the ideology.





)) I would suggest you need to examine your head.

I am not being selective, please read my previous posts here: I have always said clearly that the choice of garment is not the issue, it is the thought processes behind it.

But your suggestion about my head is probably correct.

 

[waleed3601]

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their private parts and not to show their adornments except that of it which normally shows. They shall cover their cleavage with their ‘khimar’. They shall not show their adornments except in the presence of their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, their slaves, the male attendants who have no sexual desire and the children who are yet to attain awareness of women’s nakedness. They shall not strike their feet so as to reveal details of their hidden ornaments. You shall repent to God all you believers, so that you may succeed."24:31


"O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. This is better so that they will be recognized and not molested. God is Forgiver, Merciful."33:59



"The elderly women who no longer anticipate marriage commit no error by relaxing their dress code, provided they do not flaunt their adornments, but to abstain from doing so would be better for them. God is Hearer, Knowledgeable." 24:60

And Pakistan is not a secular state ..Even full name of our country is Islamic Republic Of Pakistan.

some people are religious, some are not, stop trying to shove your beliefs down other's throats. if you want to treat your wife like an object, be my guest, but don't make others do the same thing because you do not like it when others don't do the same as you.

 

[Zarvan]

'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3]
'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)]

now you can equate these two verses, if you have the slightest of sense


dont worry, there are many sensible Muslims around the world, and they are hopefully more than her supporters in number

Yes their is no discouragement here that is why all Sahabas had more than one wives

some people are religious, some are not, stop trying to shove your beliefs down other's throats. if you want to treat your wife like an object, be my guest, but don't make others do the same thing because you do not like it when others don't do the same as you.

Sorry in Islam order is clear to that is to spread Halal and stop evil