An Insight into Al-Khalid II MBT.

[Bilal9]

Sir what are major flaws of T80 or in other words shortcomings

Let's start with reviewing the following article, then we can go from there.

This is Why Russia's T-80 Tank Is a Total Disaster

Russia's T-80 tank was a total mess.

nationalinterest.org

Not all T-80's are bad tanks (T-80 UD version with Diesel Engine is okay), but the T-72 as well as the follow on models to the T-72 (T-90) are smaller and more nimble tanks with just as much firepower. And cheaper to boot. For a 'numbers' tank, T-72 and T-90 have become preferred tanks in the Russian Army. T-14 Armata is much larger than these older tanks and also more expensive, it will be the new 'Lead' tank for the Russians once teething issues are resolved.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Why not we get some additional T-80s from Ukraine with upgrades?
And Keep developing AK-IIs.

Our UD wasnt the usual t80. Its an 84 on t80 hull. Same turret, armor, engine, gun, electronics as the T84. So yes we cant have more UDs but oplots.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Let's start with reviewing the following article, then we can go from there.

This is Why Russia's T-80 Tank Is a Total Disaster

Russia's T-80 tank was a total mess.

nationalinterest.org

Not all T-80's are bad tanks (T-80 UD version with Diesel Engine is okay), but the T-72 as well as the follow on models to the T-72 (T-90) are smaller and more nimble tanks with just as much firepower. And cheaper to boot. For a 'numbers' tank, T-72 and T-90 have become preferred tanks in the Russian Army. T-14 Armata is much larger than these older tanks and also more expensive, it will be the new 'Lead' tank for the Russians once teething issues are resolved.

T14 is 4th gen tank or 3rd plus tanks sir?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Turk vendors like Aselsan etc were offering expertise and a leopard like turret design.

But HIT uncles probably gonna fall right back into Iron Brother lap.

 

[Bilal9]

T14 is 4th gen tank or 3rd plus tanks sir?

Since T90 is a 3rd generation tank, most would agree that T-14 is a 4th generation Tank, not a 3+, but that is my opinion.

T-14 (and the T-15, which is a similar IFV, also the wheeled APC 'Bumerang', and the T-16 'BREM') are radical design revisions from traditional tank/IFV design, with an automatic robotic loader and unmanned turret and the three crew housed way out front in a safe 'pod'. If the tank gets hit, and cooks off the ammo in the main compartment, the crew is supposed to be relatively unharmed...these are rather unorthodox lead tank designs for South Asian scenario. T-14 is similar in size to UK Challenger and US Abrams tanks, but more capable and modern. Also 25% lighter and very nimble.

Turk vendors like Aselsan etc were offering expertise and a leopard like turret design.

But HIT uncles probably gonna fall right back into Iron Brother lap.

You do have a valid point. VT4 and VT5....

 

[Bilal9]

More detail on the T-14/15, though a bit dated.

New Russian Armor – First analysis: Armata - Defense Update:

The Russian Ministry of Defense publicly presenting today the first members of the Armata family of heavy armored vehicles - the T-14 main battle tank and T-15 armored infantry fighting vehicle. The two vehicles are designed to become the spearhead of armored formations of the Russian Army...

defense-update.com

 

[Scorpiooo]

Since T90 is a 3rd generation tank, most would agree that T-14 is a 4th generation Tank, not a 3+, but that is my opinion.

T-14 (and the T-15, which is a similar IFV, also the wheeled APC 'Bumerang', and the T-16 'BREM') are radical design revisions from traditional tank/IFV design, with an automatic robotic loader and unmanned turret and the three crew housed way out front in a safe 'pod'. If the tank gets hit, and cooks off the ammo in the main compartment, the crew is supposed to be relatively unharmed...these are rather unorthodox lead tank designs for South Asian scenario. T-14 is similar in size to UK Challenger and US Abrams tanks, but more capable and modern. Also 25% lighter and very nimble.

You do have a valid point. VT4 and VT5....

Thanks for detial info.

You mentioned VT5, is Pakistan is interested in them too

 

[Mrc]

What about 130mm smooth bore gun as tested by Germans recently.

Any advantages? Pak shud b looking into this. Larger bore shells may make alot of difference

 

[Packee]

What about 130mm smooth bore gun as tested by Germans recently.

Any advantages? Pak shud b looking into this. Larger bore shells may make alot of difference

Unnecessary for us at the moment, the 130mm gun is mainly due to the Russians Armata series of vehicles, everyone has tested larger caliber guns at some point. There was a 140mm Abrams, Leopard, Leclerc and 152 mm Gun the Russians tested, even the Chinese tested something similar, but it they were all unnecessary since the 120mm and 125mm got the job done just fine and they had alot of ammunition for it. If India ends up buy the T-14 or something that'd need a larger caliber gun, then we'd look into it, but for now the 125mm gets the job done and most of our tanks share the same ammo types which is a advantage and another thing the Arjun syffers from(120mm Rifled canon).

 

[Bilal9]

Thanks for detial info.

You mentioned VT5, is Pakistan is interested in them too

That is a very good question to ask Pakistani brothers...I'm sorry, I don't really know.

 

[imranyounus]

There were experiment with larger guns on tanks but practically we see demand growing for lighter tanks. So what future holds is still unclear.

 

[Raja Porus]

That is a very good question to ask Pakistani brothers...I'm sorry, I don't really know.

I don't think PA will ever go for them, for Afghanistan-Iran border we can use type 59/69s and AZs, after replacement as well, so no need of wasting money, better get vt4s or spend money on manufacturing AK1/2s

 

[Bilal9]

I don't think PA will ever go for them, for Afghanistan-Iran border we can use type 59/69s and AZs, after replacement as well, so no need of wasting money, better get vt4s or spend money on manufacturing AK1/2s

Correct brother - VT4 has been inducted by Pakistan or being trialed at least. Not sure about the website report.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/09/23/pakistan-inducts-vt-4-main-battle-tank/

For Bangladesh VT5 was ordered two years ago and has either been delivered or is close to delivery (ETA was Mid 2020). VT5 is of course smaller and lighter tank (36t), and much lighter than VT4 but those delivered to Bangladesh are different from PLA specs AFAIK. Bangladesh VT5s reportedly include 125mm gun and Western Sensors and Scopes. VT5 was ordered primarily to traverse mountainous terrain in our hill tracts area bordering Myanmar. VT5 is much more suited to that terrain than say VT4 or any other 50 plus ton tank.

As VT5 does not possess amphibious capability, there is strong likelihood that Bangladesh may also order ZBD 2000 amphibious tank, given 80% of our terrain is low lying land just above sea level.

Sorry for the off-topic segway.

 

[Raja Porus]

Correct brother - VT4 has been inducted by Pakistan or being trialed at least. Not sure about the website report.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/09/23/pakistan-inducts-vt-4-main-battle-tank/

For Bangladesh VT5 was ordered two years ago and has either been delivered or is close to delivery (ETA was Mid 2020). VT5 is of course smaller and lighter tank (36t), and much lighter than VT4 but those delivered to Bangladesh are different from PLA specs AFAIK. Bangladesh VT5s reportedly include 125mm gun and Western Sensors and Scopes. VT5 was ordered primarily to traverse mountainous terrain in our hill tracts area bordering Myanmar. VT5 is much more suited to that terrain than say VT4 or any other 50 plus ton tank.

As VT5 does not possess amphibious capability, there is strong likelihood that Bangladesh may also order ZBD 2000 amphibious tank, given 80% of our terrain is low lying land just above sea level.

Sorry for the off-topic segway.

PA has inducted vt4s in to the 6 lancers, moreover weren't the vt5s delivered to you as well

 

[Bilal9]

PA has inducted vt4s in to the 6 lancers, moreover weren't the vt5s delivered to you as well

They were confirmed as ordered, and SIPRI confirmed this as well. But there was as yet no proof of delivery, unless @Ronin bhai or @Michael Corleone bhai knows something I don't.

I remember seeing an image claiming as such, but that later turned out to be a VT4 being unloaded in Karachi Port.