An Indian lost in Pakistan, the Other side of India

[Nair saab]

Lets End with it here ... God is not supreme, ones Karma is... Dont pray to him in times of difficulty or for wealth , health & prosperity... U can just attain him by surrendering to him ( Brahman) ... if u surrender to him (Brahman) leaving this material world u will be equal to him (Brahman) & will be a Part of him (Brahman) ...

Brahman -Means infinite manifestation... the universal spirit , is the origin and support of the phenomenal universe... its beyond the senses, beyond the mind, beyond intelligence, beyond imagination...

OM – That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite... The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone...

Best Hindu sloka Ekam sat viprah bahudha vadanti meaning " Truth is one, Its only that wise call it by different names "

All the paths lead to the same goal, just as cows of variegated colors yield the same white milk...

Lord Krishna said in Geeta -Howsoever men approach me, even so do I welcome them, for the path men take from every side is Mine...

 

[Pakistanisage]

Well different people,different views. I would like to see pakistan as a brotherly neighbour,a great ally.

We got yout back , Brother...

 

[livingdead]

Where does religion come in a thread about indo-pak relation between citizens.
ontopic: Good heart felt blog. But I understand nair saab also, most south Indians will not exactly call the relation brotherly, as the language and culture is very different.
South Indians(especially tamils) on the other hand argue(and I agree with them) that north Indians never understand their feelings about sri lankan tamils.

 

[jbond197]

I meant the color of the character, but yeah I know about avatar the word.

Since you are interested about blue color there are some other examples of blue skinned people in recent times. Posting one of them.

Meet a real-life Blue man

 

[xyxmt]

To be frank we have nothing to take with them... Pakistan to India is just like any other country of the world ... plzzz dont try to link us both with this brotherhood cr@p... we are neighbors thats it...

I am South Indian & i have no connections with Pakistan ... other Indian may call them brother but i will never be 1 among them...

we can be Friends but not Brothers...

I hear you loud and clear, even the other Indian dont call you brothers...but you know that dont you

 

[xyxmt]

He does. By virtue of being Indian. By virtue of sharing religious similarities and by virtue of sharing certain cultural similarities as well.

With Pakistan the culture is markedly different, although there ARE similarities. And yes, India and Pakistan share the same history. The histories split 65 years ago, but before that there is lot to look back at.

But the one thing I disagree with, with Nair Saab is the idea that we can never have brotherhood. That is possible through good relations. After all our histories coincide in some way or another 65 years ago.

thats not the north Indian at my university said when south Indians left the party. but i take your words for your sake

we share a very strong connection which is known as Hinduism

is it same kind of connection we pakistani feel with afghans, called Islam

 

[xyxmt]

Well i didnt see any 1 migrating from India to Pakistan after the Partition ... cant say about the same from ur side...

how can you see thats you are in india, majority of indian muslims came after the partition

Treta Yuga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

screw wiki I lived in Pakistan, or does wiki knows more about what happened in my street.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

He does. By virtue of being Indian. By virtue of sharing religious similarities and by virtue of sharing certain cultural similarities as well.

With Pakistan the culture is markedly different, although there ARE similarities. And yes, India and Pakistan share the same history. The histories split 65 years ago, but before that there is lot to look back at.

By that logic he share no religious and cultural similarities to Indian Muslim..how Indian muslim is culturally/religious different than Pakistani muslim for hindus like nair saab and those thinking like him ?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Well i didnt see any 1 migrating from India to Pakistan after the Partition ... cant say about the same from ur side...

You need to brush up your history knowledge

And the aftermath of partition, a huge population exchange occurred between the two newly formed states. About 14.5 million people crossed the borders, including 8,226,000 Muslims came to Pakistan from India while 7,249,000 Hindus and Sikhs moved to India from Pakistan. About 5.5 million settled in Punjab Pakistan and around 1.5 million settled in Sindh.

Most of those refugees who settled in Punjab Pakistan came from Indian Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir and Rajasthan. Most of those refugees who arrived in Sindh came from northern and central urban centres of India, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat and Rajasthan via Wahga and Munabao border, however a limited number of muhajirs also arrived by air and on ships. People who wished to go to India from all over Sindh awaited their departure to India by ship at the Swaminarayan temple in Karachi and were visited by Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan.[23]

Later in 1950s the majority of Urdu speaking refugees who migrated after the independence were settled in the port city of Karachi in southern Sindh and in the cities of Hyderabad, Sukkur, Nawabshah and Mirpurkhas. As well the above many Urdu-speakers settled in the cities of Punjab mainly in Lahore, Multan, Bahawalpur and Rawalpindi. The number of migrants in Sindh was placed at over 540,000 of whom two-third were urban. In case of Karachi, from a population of around 400,000 in 1947, it turned into more than 1.3 million in 1953.

Partition of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Wickerman]

By that logic he share no religious and cultural similarities to Indian Muslim..how Indian muslim is culturally/religious different than Pakistani muslim for hindus like nair saab and those thinking like him ?

The Indian in the Indian Muslim is the similarity. Unity in diversity.

As for differences between Pakistani and Indian Muslim, of course there may not be much cultural and religious differences. Hence why I believe both countries can have good relations. On this one I dont agree with Nair Saab, because I dont feel that much of animosity towards Pakistan. Only toward certain groups, people or actions.

 

[Wickerman]

thats not the north Indian at my university said when south Indians left the party. but i take your words for your sake

I agree, there is a north Indian, South Indian divide in India. But that still doesnt mean anything. Its not like we dont consider each others Indian. Its basically a linguistic and cultural difference. Thats all. Thats why I said "certain cultural similarities", not all.

 

[Spring Onion]

distinguish between brother and freind in a international relations context before using these words.

Hope some of the ignorants will spare a simple mortal who visited Pakistan and used the words since common people dont play international politics. Some Islamophobes from your side are acting like naive heads

 

[Spring Onion]

I agree, there is a north Indian, South Indian divide in India. But that still doesnt mean anything. Its not like we dont consider each others Indian. Its basically a linguistic and cultural difference. Thats all. Thats why I said "certain cultural similarities", not all.

nobodies is saying you dont consider northies or south Indians as Indian. nationality is one thing and what the Indian writer is saying something different.

Some emotional blocks from your side got bereserk over nothing

 

[Wickerman]

nobodies is saying you dont consider northies or south Indians as Indian. nationality is one thing and what the Indian writer is saying something different.

Some emotional blocks from your side got bereserk over nothing

What the other Indian poster says is something even Indians will stand divided on. For instance I dont agree with it, because I feel there are lots of commonalities and shared histories that we could look back on and build on, instead of Kashmir and Siachen and Sir Creek and religion. But apparently some people differ. I wouldn't be surprised to find similar people in Pakistan as well. So its not like "Indians have emotional blocks". There are people on both sides with some form of bias or prejudice. Or maybe even downright hatred.

 

[Tshering22]

In the Quran it talks about a dark skinned Indian prophet who preached worship of one God. Any Indians want to take a wild guess who that might be referring to??

Here's the thing; let me start with my own faith:

Buddh Dharma:

- unlike you, we don't have prophets.

- Contrary to what you think, even we Buddhists don't have prophets.

- Neither Siddhartha Gautama nor any of the other Enlightened ones before or after Him claimed superiority over rest of mankind, preaching a "superior" religion to people.

- None of them laid down any laws about killing somebody who spoke crudely about them.

- There is no verse by any god that says that any of the Buddhas or any one particular one is the only prophet and that reciting that day and night would make Him or Her (yes her as well) venerable or superior.


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Coming to Sikh Dharma:

- None of the Gurus claim to be the first or last prophets who need to be venerated.

- Since English is a Christian language, the Gurus (or teachers) are synonymized as "prophets" which none of them ever claimed to be unlike in case of Abrahamic religions.

- All the Gurus first emphasized in teaching service to mankind, humility and sincerity in work.

- All the Gurus asked to shed ego, materialistic greed and pursue the Universal Supreme Power (Onkar to Sikhs and Om/Aum to us and the Hindus).

- They emphasized on simplicity of life, standing up for justice and against evil regardless of which race, religion, culture, faith, belief or community the afflicted person was.

- Finally, they advised that true love to god can come only when one espouses these qualities above; not other way around.

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Now coming to the mainstream Hindu Dharma:

-There has never been a prophet ever in their faith.

-It is a way of life, a philosophy with many branches, paths and wakes.

-None of the thousands and thousands of Hindu sages and monks claimed to lead the faith.

-There is no beginning date or birth era of any "founder" of the belief; it just.. began and has been untraceable.

-The 4th point above for Sikh community I mentioned, applies to mainstream Hindus equally.


And you know what's the best thing about all these three?

None of them demands an angry, jealous, supreme being who would reward on conversion and punish on conversion.


Now save your breath.