Amrullah Saleh: To clarify they R not refges.They live N AfPak distputed territory

[django]

Not exactly , I didnt use word "coward" for Punjabis. You bragged that Kabul city was administered through Lahore, i corrected you because it is historically not correct. I reminded you that on most of the occasions in history, Punjab was conquered by people from present day Afghanistan, by both Pashtuns and non-Pashtuns. You are free to draw your own conclusion about your qaum, from the facts that i mentioned in my above posts.

You have been badmouthing Afghans as well as Pakistani Pashtuns for a quite a time, calling us beggars for punjab's wheat and Daal, its time to shut your mouth.

Kabul has been administered through Delhi, Isfahan and samarkand

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Kabul has been administered through Delhi, Isfahan and samarkand

Everybody got conquered ... Including pashtuns... Infact most of the time it was Pashtuns in the recieving end and modern day Afghanistan that was the first one to fall...From Greeks,Persians,Kabul Shahis,Mongols,Turks etc... Yes controlling it has been difficult but defeating the afghans wasn't an issue... Samandri talks about shameful Jasrath Khokhar was... Forgetting that it's the same tactic Pashtuns themselves have been using since centuries and even today ...

In the end nobody was a fukin superman...


Also guys... @waz. @Irfan Baloch. Please take action against his abusive rants...

 

[Kabira]

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A picture taken after mena bazar BOMBING 2009.. ??

Samandri propaganda skills match TTP lol

 

[Sine Nomine]

If indulgence of some Pashtuns in crimes and sins certify entirety of us as "Pedophiles, Drug dealers, criminals".......than same can be said about Punjabis. As per your logic, Punjabis are rapists as most of the rape and gang-rape cases occur in Punjab. Using your logic, Punjabis are child-rapists, as most of the cases of rapes and gang-rapes of girl-childs occur in Punjab (Much like India). Punjab has highest cases of rapes with dead bodies in Pakistan, using your logic Punjabis are necrophilics. Punjab has highest cases of domestic violence, setting wives on fire and throwing acid on their faces, using your claim , it can be claimed that Punjabis treat their women worst.

Come on man In Afghanistan being Pedophiles, Drug dealers, and criminals is not even considered crime...
1)Pedophiles:You Peoples dont consider acting man on man a crime,that was only rule of Taliban which taught human turned Animals Humanity..look at these links,Man on Man behavior of Afghan's even astonished US soldiers(Afghanistan's dirty little secret - SFGate
The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bacha bazi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bacha Bazi: An Afghan Tragedy | Foreign Policy
Bacha Bazi: The Tragedy of Afghanistan’s Dancing Boys | The Diplomat
The sexually abused dancing boys of Afghanistan - BBC News
I have reaons to hate Afghan culture,that practice of Bacha bazi was not present in Pakistan before 1980's but today it is well known in Peshawar ask @DESERT FIGHTER
Any of Punjabis crime is not even near to that,what you have mentioned are all crimes in Punjab and no one glorifies that.
2)Drug dealers:
80% Afghan Army Officers of High ranks and 90% Politicians or Drug Dealers.
3)criminals:
Just an Example kid Mundri thug like Bacha Siqa was made Ameer of Afghanistan by Afghans,preferring him over a person who was trying to make them humans.
Habibullāh Kalakāni - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please now give me such examples from Punjab where criminals have been glorified to such extent.

The point is , the assassination of Ghauri at the hands of those assassins was a tragedy for muslims who were barely rooted in India. قناص has different notion about Ghauri. In his hate from Afghanistan, he is rejoicing at the karnama of those infidel khokars. So i rightly questioned his faith, may be he is still a Hindu.

"Sultan Shahabuddin Ghori undertook many campaigns against the Khokhar in Punjab before he was killed by the Khokhars of the Salt Range in March 1206."
(Singh, Nagendra Kumar (2000), International Encyclopaedia of Islamic Dynasties, Anmol Publications)
He was serving Islam by Fighting Muslim Tribes in Salt Range.
Muslim Rule in that Area was established in 1026 after Mahmood of Ghazni took that area and peoples embraced Islam due to his deeds.
I have no hatred towards Afghans due to any Racial base,i admire there efforts at Panipat,Soviet war and Taliban Rule but most of the time they have face of Ameullah Saleh and peoples like his breed for neighbors and this is disgusting......

 

[django]

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Samandri propaganda skills match TTP lol

To be fair too Samandri, most of his posts are very informative in regards to the Northern regions and dare I say well balanced, he loves the pashtun nation no matter what side of the Durand line, for this he can not be faulted.

 

[Sine Nomine]

So i rightly questioned his faith, may be he is still a Hindu

Yesterday........
"Punjabi Muslims are cowards"
"India will attack and rape you"
Said bya pious Kin of Kaerzai

 

[SQ8]

We can't unilaterally negate your two nation theory.

There is no negation there. Unless you take the two nation theory the same way as you would a heading to chapter and simply not bother to read the rest.

The two nation theory is still very applicable and is even in practice in India itself. There is a clear distinction made within the different minorities of India with the Majority.. Bollywoods on and off portrayal, appeasement and almost alienlike fascination with the Indian Muslim population is clear proof of it... the increasing Islamophobia demonstrated all over facebook(lest we think anonymous forums are the only gauge) is clear proof that regardless of the undeniable and bloodline strong similarities.. the Muslims(and certain other faiths which for this discussion are irrelevant) of the Subcontinent and Hindus of the Subcontinent are two distinct nations with their own identities and ideals regarding life.

Now, whether that translates directly to needing separate electorates to separate states is another matter entirely.
Long story short, today if we sat as just plain Muslims and Hindus from the subcontinent.. I would understand you, joke with you, eat with you.. dress as you.. enjoy the same music and look nearly indistinguishable.. But I will know.. I am not you.. and not you me. My faith compels me so and forms an identity.. and so it should for you. And, when that core identity is threatened.. I will side with a Muslim.. and you with a Hindu(or whatever). Nothing more glorious in it than plain old psychology and human nature.. since religion for many in the subcontinent remains their core inner sanctuary and "treasure". The inhabitants of the subcontinent aren't the centre of the world as we all mistakenly think and there are various nations and races and subdivisions within them that have had such factors join and divide them throughout history.

All that remains is to then realize that this psychological trigger has different limit triggers for different people and communities.. and exists on different levels for the same. The British knew this trigger and used it fairly effectively..

As for Afghanistan, it has nothing to do with the two nation theory despite your attempt to link it with it(although not without merit as many here consider themselves of this turkic Afghan stock and somehow think themselves superior and with some connection to the Afghans).
The Afghanistan conundrum has the to do with their national tribal mentality that revolves around trying to hold on to supposed ancestral land(not much different than the Zionist Israelis) and remaining pretty much business faced to the outside world. Dont interfere in Afghanistan(or criticise our ways) but lets do business was always their motto.. sadly.. that did not work out too well now did it?

Pakistan is guilty of completely mucking about in Afghanistan.. and whilst on the surface it seems to be with the notion of Muslim brotherhood.. within the deeper state and the various "notes" handed down from key leadership to key leadership.. it revolves around gaining access to the energy resources of Central Asia.. namely the former Soviet republics. See, China for all its depths and heights of friendship will not let us have free lunch via its connection to Tajikistan and lets face it; with neighbours like India which cannot rest till it has had its national leadership psyche of finally defeating the Muslim conquerors(in this case their descendants Muslims of the subcontinent) and throwing them out/converting etc of Bharat mata; that Karokaram route wasnt very feasible.
Hence, Afghanistan or rather that little bit of it that sticks out between Pakistan and Tajikistan... and this isnt a 90's thing. Have it on good.. rather excellent authority that even good old hypocrite Zia-ul-Haq had dreams of Koh-Kaaf(look it up).
So the whole idea with the bull about ummah on top has always been securing the energy corridor for Pakistan and providing us with energy resources and becoming a much better trading pathway for all these central Asian states.. not a bad economic outlook if it ever came to fruition.

That aside, those Afghan refugees were as good as dead had it not been for Pakistan letting them in. And it is us who trained a good deal of them to win against the Soviets(despite the fact that we could only have the myopia to influence and bet on the religious nutjob and not the stable man aka Masood who despite being a Tajik would have really united the Afghans). So regardless of what we wanted, we saved the skin of millions of Afghans whilst ruining our societies not just in the northwest(Peshawar and other areas of the Northwest were a very peaceful region in the 70s with increasing education and development on its way.) but all over.
And yet these ungrateful leftovers of Alexander's march think we owe them anything? I say nay.. throw them and all those who sympathize with them over the Durand line and impose a complete blockage.. let India try and airlift food if it can over the Iranian side.

The energy corridor has finally come to some sort of fruition(even if not the original optimized form Pakistan sought it). and so there is little need for that barren trash land to our west. If it was upto me, Id build a wall that would make the one in Gaza look like a picket fence.

@Horus , I think we need to create a new write up that combines all the theories and known knowns on Af-Pak relations and ideals...put some basis to the supposed Ummah ideals.
@Slav Defence

To be fair too Samandri, most of his posts are very informative in regards to the Northern regions and dare I say well balanced, he loves the pashtun nation no matter what side of the Durand line, for this he can not be faulted.

Whilst considering all other nations inferior and worthy of murder and subjugation. That knowledge means zilch if it is fuelled by bigotry, racism and hatred.

 

[Sine Nomine]

The Afghanistan conundrum has the to do with their national tribal mentality that revolves around trying to hold on to supposed ancestral land(not much different than the Zionist Israelis) and remaining pretty much business faced to the outside world. Dont interfere in Afghanistan(or criticise our ways) but lets do business was always their motto.. sadly.. that did not work out too well now did it?

Great Sir!You have just summarized the fact which needs million of books to cover and still remains uncovered

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not exactly , I didnt use word "coward" for Punjabis. You bragged that Kabul city was administered through Lahore, i corrected you because it is historically not correct. I reminded you that on most of the occasions in history, Punjab was conquered by people from present day Afghanistan, by both Pashtuns and non-Pashtuns. You are free to draw your own conclusion about your qaum, from the facts that i mentioned in my above posts.

You have been badmouthing Afghans as well as Pakistani Pashtuns for a quite a time, calling us beggars for punjab's wheat and Daal, its time to shut your mouth.

cowardice and bravery are not restricted to a race or religion I urge you and others to stop trading insults immediately. if you find something offensive towards your own race then simply report it, dont copy the offender.

I will like to quote Robert Henry Cain, an English school teacher with no macho/ warlike family background or anything .. he joined military during WW2 and his actions won him VC.

I urge all posters/ members/ readers of all nationalities, races, religion s to spare few minutes to watch the docomentray by Jeremey Clrakson on him or read him up. his actions are very inspiring


Robert Henry Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SarthakGanguly]

defeating the Muslim conquerors(in this case their descendants Muslims of the subcontinent) and throwing them out/converting etc of Bharat mata

Lol. No. Nothing of that sort is in the design. We are comfortable with what we have. At least I am.

My faith compels me so and forms an identity.. and so it should for you. And, when that core identity is threatened.. I will side with a Muslim.. and you with a Hindu(or whatever).

Your faith compels you... Okay. My culture states that we are all the Same. But yeah, I get your point. Though I agree that an overwhelming number of Muslims will side with a Muslim for being a Muslim, the same isn't true for a Hindu. I will side with Kalam any day over, say, any random Hindu for example. I am sure, most Indians, regardless of faith will do likewise. But it is also true that Islam is not truly followed in India - it's more of a mix. Only now are the purists coming to the picture.

Anyway, long time no see. Hope you are doing well. I have gone back to do my Masters, after about 4 years in the industry. It was tough in the beginning. New life.

 

[pakdefender]

My culture states that we are all the Same.

Nope , that we are not

Afghanistan and India were the only two countries that voted against Pakistan and there stance today is still the same , this however cannot negate the two nation theory , which is in fact no longer a theory but a reality. Pakistan and India are two separate nations

Some people in Afghanistan and India are still in denial though, the birth of Pakistan was a very traumatic experience for both india and afghanistan.

In india the hindus thought that after many hundred years of being ruled over by Muslims they now finally have chance to rule over them , but didn't quite work out that way, Pakistan was born and after busting the hindu gate crashing attempt in 1965 , it grew to become a nuclear power

As for Saleh's tweets , his twitter account shows he is quite butt hurt these days.

After the British departure , Afghan too thought that the'll have their way in land grab as they had done before but again it did not work out for them. The last of the Afghan King , Zahir Shah , got disposed off and the time of Kings in Afghanistan officially came to an end. Afghan Zahir Shah was no different than Mughal Bahadur Shah Zafar in the sense that they were really left over relics from the past.

By the Grace of Allah , Pakistan today is strong enough to thwart attempts by both india and afghanistan.

1971 taught Pakistan a good lesson , india and afghanistan can only succeed against Pakistan through use of traitors.
Hence all the more important to eliminate traitors in the ranks.

 

[halupridol]

You are desperate enough to rely on lies , i never said that Punjabis are cowards..........what i said was that without us and others, your Punjab will be at the mercy of India who consider you enemy number one. Then i advised you to refrain from taking shot at us, calling us the ones thriving on resources of Punjab.

I am taking the advice of moderators and would stop here, in anger i said some mean things about Punjab because of scum like you.....i am putting you in my ignore list, thats the proper and respectable solution. I apologize to all Punjabis if i have offended their sentiments in the heat of jazbat.

dont work urslf up,,,,they might not admit it but they look upto afghanis in genrl n pukhtuns in perticulr,,,deep inside they know who is boss.
case in point,,,missiles named after there former masters,,Abdali,ghauri,,ghaznavi.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Time for someone to disappear at the hands of the ISI

 

[pakdefender]

dont work urslf up,,,,they might not admit it but they look upto afghanis in genrl n pukhtuns in perticulr,,,deep inside they know who is boss.
case in point,,,missiles named after there former masters,,Abdali,ghauri,,ghaznavi.

Just so that your itches subside

Not all Afghans are equal , just like not all Mughal Emperors were equal.

For most Pakistanis , Aurangzeb was a great emperor , Akbar not so much.

Hamid Karzai is disliked while Pakistani hold Mahmood Ghaznavi in high regard for his exploits against our arch enemies ( i.e you guys ) same for Nadir Shah and Abdali for sacking Delhi.

Hope that gets into your thick indian skull

 

[halupridol]

Hamid Karzai is disliked while Pakistani hold Mahmood Ghaznavi in high regard for his exploits against our arch enemies ( i.e you guys ) same for Nadir Shah and Abdali for sacking Delhi.

like I said,,u know who is the boss.
on ur own u guys r just umm,,well history speaks for itself