Amir Liaqat leaving pti

[LeGenD]

I feel Imranistan follows a herd, tribe mentality: You are either with us or against us. In politics nothing is black and white. There are many shades of grey which most Insafians just ignore.

This is true, unfortunately. There are some members of this forum who consider themselves as holier than thou, and will join hands and display mob mentality in a topic of sensitive nature. They will declare you traitors in an instant and question your nationality very easily because they do not have the temperament to discuss political matters in meritorious ways. This mob mentality factor is wrong on so many levels. Imagine the pain of those who found themselves on the receiving end of the Blasphemy accusations over a general dispute.

Pakistani are very diverse in their views, in reality. This 'my way or the high way' card doesn't works and will not work here. I have come across people who believe that Pakistan Army ensured victory of PTI in the 2018 elections because Nawaz Sharif is not pliant. Whatever they think - I am not the judge, jury and executioner.

Feel free to stand your ground over an issue, and express your POV.

Let us see what PTI is all about. I gave vote to IK in 2013 and also in 2018, and I expect IK to pay attention to the issues of Middle Class. If he will not, he will be irrelevant to me in the next elections.

I did not swore an oath to serve IK and be loyal to PTI in years to come. PTI should do good for the masses but be humble in its approach. People are unforgiving otherwise.

Already this:

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1790048/2-government-likely-increase-gas-prices-86/

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/08/28/rickshaws-set-ablaze-in-protest-against-lpg-price-hike/

I never said all Karachiites are back stabbers. I was referring to this one particular Karachi wala which OP was about. And then I was quoted completely out of context so that Imranistan could feel proud about their deranged patriotism.

I think your choice of words were "poor."

Karachi certainly have a dark history but violence was a huge problem. People there, lived in fear for a long time, and had to worry about their well-being.

Pakistan Army did a wonderful job in cleansing Karachi from the filth which once reigned supreme there. War On Terror is not just an American agenda - it is ours as well.

Reforming Afghanistan is extremely important for the stability of the entire region, and IK clearly acknowledge this reality. Pakistani cheerleaders of Taliban are hypocrites of highest order - they will never consider living under Taliban themselves. Taliban's splinter group ISIS-K is even worse. And amidst the chaos and struggling economy, they want Pakistan to show teeth to a superpower. Really funny actually.

Anyways, now that Karachiites had the opportunity to choose openly, they staged a coup against status-quo forces MQM and PPPP and voted for PTI. This show that they also desire change, and labeling the entire community as back-stabbers is really wrong.

@BHarwana

You have the knack for creating a scene and stirring trouble - this is like asking for trouble in real life and dangerous. You are nobody to question anybody's nationality unless you have solid proof to expose. Even if you have, discuss with Mods only.

@FalconStar

- and any other member who have funny ideas. Stop infuriating people, unnecessarily.

 

[Zibago]

PTI members in Sindh are happy and he was talking about forward block.
Or maybe their is a forward block, against him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1034740337493913600

In Karachi PTI and MQM da it kutay da veir si mqm time and time again used violence against pti the local leadership absolutely detests mqm and even ex mqm,mers their politics was based on not being mqm they being happy should not come as a surprise to anyone

 

[LeGenD]

Amir Liaquat was a bad choice, TBH. I just fail to understand his mindset.

 

[War Thunder]

From Patwari to Qadiani to Indian in one day. Nice going

Well they are all stupid to call you that

I just know you're low IQ and lack what we refer to as "Intellect"

 

[The Eagle]

Will someone ban this asshole @Norwegian? Clearly he is a dubious character. First he used to abuse pakistan and used to join the most vicious bharati trolls in bashing pakistan.

Then he was banned and now returned and instead of abusing pakistan openly he now cleverly bashes PTI in various threads and uses platform of defence.pk to create hatred among Pakistanis.

Only mods of this forum are allowing this bharati to use this platform for trolling and for bashing Pakistanis and its institution

Wake up guys. Do your job @waz @WAJsal @Jungibaaz @Oscar @Zaki

No one is allowed to violate Forum rules by any means. Difference of opinion or political likes/dislike are part of arguments over certain matters hence, either one can ignore or respond with better information as space is available equally for all however, the same freedom cannot be taken for granted neither use of abusive language or inappropriate posting.

Regards,

 

[SQ8]

All Pakistanis are equal. Pmln, Ppp, PTI, defense establishment etc. We are all part of one nation state of Pakistan. Our leadership is composed of the same corrupt material. What ppp and pmln followers used to do (defend their leadership despite mistakes) it is exactly what Insafians are doing now. I expected pti fanboys to be different but I was wrong

So basically we give up and let rome burn. But at least then let it burn rather than screaming about it and saying that all romans are the same and they will burn it.. if they aren’t listening to whatever wisdom you have not at all displayed or advised with; then all you are doing is taunting and being a nuisance.

 

[BHarwana]

You have the knack for creating a scene and stirring trouble - this is like asking for trouble in real life and dangerous. You are nobody to question anybody's nationality unless you have solid proof to expose. Even if you have, discuss with Mods only.

I never created a seen but instead replied to his post. He accused a city and I accused him he clarified and changed as well. Now about trouble in real life which you are talking about. Can a forum argument get you in trouble?

 

[Finer]

So calling people of an entire city back stabber is an accusation or opinion?
If that is an opinion mine should also be considered an opinion.
I some one attacks any city of Pakistan it is my right to defend that city.

Well @Norwegian hates me it is his right but I love him this shows the big heart of Pakistanis.

Not just city but Karachi which has the sketch reputation whether you admit it or not. I just gave you detailed history on the sketchy Karachi as to why the low opinion about Karachi. At the end, it is just opinion.

We are having debate. You imply treason based on the constructive debate which is based on the sketchy reputation of Karachi as we speak. Blindly defending doesn't change the fact, does it?

He is upset and hate you because you called him traitor/Indian? How would you feel if somebody calls you kuffar/infidel?

As i said you will come up with excuses and you did just that. I have had this discussion many times with people like you and guess what you will not a single statement where IK supports TTP. As you said its well documented then you shouldn't have any problem to post it here, right?

Also you had no standing to the questions i raised. That was expected.

Not a single statement where Imran Khan was so vocally supportive of TTP? Are you discounting his official stance on TTP in COAS as well? I can but i am trying to spare you some embarrassment as it is impossible that to this day you are asking me to find statement on Imran Khan's pro-stance on TTP which has been well documented. I am gonna let this debate go on further before i post the official stance of Imran Khan which might end the debate furthermore.

Lol he should change his name to NOT-very-smart-geek

Given your blinded toward the history of Imran Khan with TTP, i gotta say i am talking to Blind Khan right now.

 

[BHarwana]

Not just city but Karachi which has the sketch reputation whether you admit it or not. I just gave you detailed history on the sketchy Karachi as to why the low opinion about Karachi. At the end, it is just opinion.

We are having debate. You imply treason based on the constructive debate which is based on the sketchy reputation of Karachi as we speak. Blindly defending doesn't change the fact, does it?

He is upset and hate you because you called him traitor/Indian? How would you feel if somebody calls you kuffar/infidel?



Not a single statement where Imran Khan was so vocally supportive of TTP? Are you discounting his official stance on TTP in COAS as well? I can but i am trying to spare you some embarrassment as it is impossible that to this day you are asking me to find statement on Imran Khan's pro-stance on TTP which has been well documented. I am gonna let this debate go on further before i post the official stance of Imran Khan which might end the debate furthermore.




Given your blinded toward the history of Imran Khan with TTP, i gotta say i am talking to Blind Khan right now.

I will feel nothing because he is attacking me personally and not any of my cities. You can call me anything bro. I will not keep a grudge against you on it. I only commented on his comment of Karachi people nothing more. He can abuse me as much he like I will not even abuse him in return. You can call me kafir or infidel I will not even argue with you on this because religion is something between me and my God.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Not just city but Karachi which has the sketch reputation whether you admit it or not. I just gave you detailed history on the sketchy Karachi as to why the low opinion about Karachi. At the end, it is just opinion.

We are having debate. You imply treason based on the constructive debate which is based on the sketchy reputation of Karachi as we speak. Blindly defending doesn't change the fact, does it?

He is upset and hate you because you called him traitor/Indian? How would you feel if somebody calls you kuffar/infidel?



Not a single statement where Imran Khan was so vocally supportive of TTP? Are you discounting his official stance on TTP in COAS as well? I can but i am trying to spare you some embarrassment as it is impossible that to this day you are asking me to find statement on Imran Khan's pro-stance on TTP which has been well documented. I am gonna let this debate go on further before i post the official stance of Imran Khan which might end the debate furthermore.




Given your blinded toward the history of Imran Khan with TTP, i gotta say i am talking to Blind Khan right now.

No please go ahead and embarrass me and show us all a statement of support for TTP.

 

[Mansoon]

This matter is settled. Close this thread now

https://twitter.com/x/status/1034822685333880832

https://twitter.com/x/status/1034823621246701568

 

[Finer]

I will feel nothing because he is attacking me personally and not any of my cities. You can call me anything bro. I will not keep a grudge against you on it. I only commented on his comment of Karachi people nothing more. He can abuse me as much he like I will not even abuse him in return. You can call me kafir or infidel I will not even argue with you on this because religion is something between me and my God.

We are giving demonstration while you are the one with the label here such as traitor/Indian. He is talking about Karachi as member with opinion whereas you resort to name calling and whatnot. You say you will not abuse but you just did and might I add repeatedly.

I am not gonna call you kuffar or something because who am I to do so nor it is my place to do so. But Imranistan did against me in the past and you are doing the same thing now.

The only one who are having dignified conversation are me and @Norweigan who aren’t resorting to name calling at all. As for Karachi, that is his opinion which he is entitled to do so whether you agree to it or not. Quite frankly, I agree to some of points Norweigan including my detailed history on sketchy Karachi which cannot be denied no matter how much we sugarcoat it and play patriotic card to escape from the ground reality.

As for religion, I like your take on it and I wish most of Imranistan follow your mindset. Even in personal life, no one being Pakistani like being called Indian or traitor. It is quite offensive even if you try to downplay the version of it.

 

[BHarwana]

We are giving demonstration while you are the one with the label here such as traitor/Indian. He is talking about Karachi as member with opinion whereas you resort to name calling and whatnot. You say you will not abuse but you just did and might I add repeatedly.

I am not gonna call you kuffar or something because who am I to do so nor it is my place to do so. But Imranistan did against me in the past and you are doing the same thing now.

The only one who are having dignified conversation are me and @Norweigan who aren’t resorting to name calling at all. As for Karachi, that is his opinion which he is entitled to do so whether you agree to it or not. Quite frankly, I agree to some of points Norweigan including my detailed history on sketchy Karachi which cannot be denied no matter how much we sugarcoat it and play patriotic card to escape from the ground reality.

As for religion, I like your take on it and I wish most of Imranistan follow your mindset. Even in personal life, no one being Pakistani like being called Indian or traitor. It is quite offensive even if you try to downplay the version of it.

Sorry my friend there many here from Karachi on PDF have you considered about their sentiments when he issued a statement. Although he then changed his stance which I appreciate in the same way I also gave an opinion. Who am I to call any one traitor I hold no authority few members asked me about my opinion and I seeded it with few of the facts. I have nothing against him at all. I did not even reported him I believe in logical answers rather than accusations. We all are anonymous here and our nationality here is our views. It is as simple as that.

 

[Finer]

Sorry my friend there many here from Karachi on PDF have you considered about their sentiments when he issued a statement. Although he then changed his stance which I appreciate in the same way I also gave an opinion. Who am I to call any one traitor I hold no authority few members asked me about my opinion and I seeded it with few of the facts. I have nothing against him at all. I did not even reported him I believe in logical answers rather than accusations. We all are anonymous here and our nationality here is our views. It is as simple as that.

As I said, at the end it is opinion even if you or the counterpart of Karachi don’t like it then so be it. At the end, it is still opinions which can be countered by logical analysis as you mentioned in one of key example. Calling Indian/traitor shows anything but mature.

I know he is trolling so counter his points through rational analysis.

 

[BHarwana]

@SmartGeek I know it is not his fault he is a clever and smart guy but the media war against PTI is so intense now and many sane minded people are falling victim to it.
When people here bash Pakistan Army they are 100% wrong why because all the accusation they throw are baseless and I am not going to lose a population to fake news that is what my fight is.

Sorry I am out of this discussion have fun. The thread has already lost its point. This thread is another example of fake propaganda launched by media
We all can fall victim to it.