America's ridiculous stance on Kashmir

[Kazhugu]

As far as J&K's opinion goes, my one and only argument is, ask the Kashmiris. Nobody wants to do that, since we all know the reply would be overwhelmingly anti-Indian. This is the problem with America's stance its perpetuating this injustice upon the Kashmiris by silencing the voice of the Kashmri people.

we cannot ask the kashmiris because plebiscite was never an option after the 1971 war and shimla talks between indira and bhutto....

 

[Developereo]

There seems to be a much bigger game afoot.

US is taking a much harder line towards China, it is downright contemptuous towards Pakistan, and is prodding India to be more 'assertive' in the region.

It seems the US is pulling out all the stops to clear the path for India to dominate the region and expects some payback from India in the form of increased 'assertiveness' against China. India is not likely to let itself be pushed and it will be interesting to see the American reaction.

 

[Kazhugu]

contd from post 16....


also we cannot allow religion to divide our motherland once again and specially the holy land of kashmir.....no matter what.......one time is enough.......

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think the man should be released he was doing work for his people's cause for 32 years

 

[Kazhugu]

I think the man should be released he was doing work for his people's cause for 32 years

how can he let free when he violated the laws of the land.....

 

[EjazR]

As far as J&K's opinion goes, my one and only argument is, ask the Kashmiris. Nobody wants to do that, since we all know the reply would be overwhelmingly anti-Indian. This is the problem with America's stance its perpetuating this injustice upon the Kashmiris by silencing the voice of the Kashmri people.

There have been in depth opinion surveys as recently as 2009 from independent groups in the UK/US including the EU parliament under Baroness Nicholson. They included a discussion on the UN status as well and why they are irrelevant. In all cases we have a pretty good idea of what the ground situation is. Not to mention that almost every govt. in the world supports the stance that Kashmir is a bilateral issue.

We KNOW what the Kashmiri people want more or less. The next step is to get to a solution. In short ,
(1) We KNOW for certain that the overwhelming majority of people of J&K including the valley people DO NOT want to be a part of Pakistan
(2) We know that the valley people mostly want independence, BUT they want independence of the entire state of J&K including GilgitBaltistan, a opinon that Fai supported as well. This represents about 43% of the opinion of the entire state.
(3) We know that as a whole majority of the people of J&K including a section of the valley do not want independence and similarly on the Pakistani side 44%want independence but the majority want to stay as a part of Pakistan.

President Musharraf realized this and hence he came with his 4-point formula which made the LoC IB but allowing freedom of movement for the people of J&K across the border.

Lets leave aside the CIA/ISI compulsions for now. Even if this arrest had NOT happened, the above reality would still hold. Fai's efforts would remain an irritant and thats about it. As normal, we should be concerned more about the welfare of the people of Kashmir at the quickest way to resolve the issue. I wouldn't support a demand of independence by Turkistanis in China, but I would support freedom of religion and fair treatment and end of HR abuse for them. The same for Chechens in Russia. Then why not apply the same in India. Mushrraf realized this after 60+ years. Will the rest of the Pakistanis too?

 

[VelocuR]

This is all set-up by US. Its purpose is to criticize Pakistan and Kashmiris rights in heavy pressures.

 

[karan.1970]

I think the man should be released he was doing work for his people's cause for 32 years

Its a little tougher to let go of a person accused of financial crimes in the USA than it is in the subcontinent..

 

[UKBengali]

India claims that is a democracy but is holding the Kashmiri Muslims(who clearly have zero allegiance to India) hostage. Let Kashmir go free and become part of Pakistan if they want and then everyone will become happier.

 

[Dharmachakra]

As far as J&K's opinion goes, my one and only argument is, ask the Kashmiris. Nobody wants to do that, since we all know the reply would be overwhelmingly anti-Indian. This is the problem with America's stance its perpetuating this injustice upon the Kashmiris by silencing the voice of the Kashmri people.

Why should we care about the opinion of some brainwashed kashmiris over the years? We all know how Kashmiris have been doctrinated by pakistan over the years with its soooooooo called moral support.

P.S: Can Pakistan have the same option of evaluatin the opinion of balochis? And give away balochistan if majority wants to break away?

 

[Jade]

India claims that is a democracy but is holding the Kashmiri Muslims(who clearly have zero allegiance to India) hostage. Let Kashmir go free and become part of Pakistan if they want and then everyone will become happier.

Does democracy means disintegration? It seems a new defination

 

[Jade]

The sooner Pakistan and Pakistanis forget Kashmir, the better is for Pakiatan and its future

 

[newdelhinsa]

India claims that is a democracy but is holding the Kashmiri Muslims(who clearly have zero allegiance to India) hostage. Let Kashmir go free and become part of Pakistan if they want and then everyone will become happier.

I thought you were a sane poster. No one will take guarantee of Pakistan that they wouldn't attack the so called independent Kashmir like they did at the start, like they are doing by killing pro independence Kashmiris, like what Musharraf candidly said that after its independence they will try to influence kashmiris to be part of Pakistan and was able to get one Yasin malik on board.


Please do not make simple assertions. People in India know very well about democracy and its ethics. People are living well and prosperous in J&K. They are suffering only because of the states funding insurgencies for their own strategic greed. We know what Pakistan is up to.

They think they have bogged us down in Kashmir or have some readily available advantage to pull us with bogus Muslim chip and blackmail. But it is quite the opposite. Only one Kashmiri dispute (there are many just not discussed yet) will take them down if the 'la la la ga ga ga' the Pakistani raaga on Kashmir remained vocal and kept Pakistani muslims preoccupied like they are now, mark my word.

The so called peoples movement has been busted in USA.

The Troy has fallen, fallen for good.

 

[Pak_Sher]

The Kashmir cause is just and arrest of Dr. Fai is not going to hide the attrocities, rapes, torture and fake encounters in Kashmir. USA is what the UK was in the 1920s after World War I, slowly drifting from the number spot. As an example: US does not have the same influence in the world like it did 20 years ago. Dr. Fai has spent his entire life working for the Kashmiri cause and someone will replace him shortly.

 

[Kaniska]

I feel this incident has bigger impact to Pak US relation and this really did not change any equatin from Indian stand point. Those people who are saying that USA has arrested Dr Fai on behalf of India GOV,then you guys are away from the reallity.USA never did anything for anyones intrest.Forget about India....If USA can not be a friend of Pakistan after in relationship for nearly 50 year then how can it be friendlier to India...and also Indian GOV knows it very well..That is the reason why Indian GOV still pursues its independent foreign policy...So subsequently Dr Fai and other so called kashmiri intellectuals in USA and Europe will be arrested with a sole reason to control Pakistan's foreign policy towards Pakistan rather than helping India...

And 2nd point is that i sometimes feel that Pakistan should decide its policy towards Kashmir more absolute manner.....what does it really want???
Let us be clear...Pakistan want to occupy Kashmir..It can not occupy in 1948 so it is keep on trying since then onwards....why donot Pakistan makes a war for the last and final times with India and close this chapter for ever...Let us make a war and decide who wins and then decide the future of Kashmir ...I know that purist in this foroum will advocates about feedom of people and the state of Kashmir....but if really freedom is a buzzword in this subcontinent then why only Kashmir...let us generalise this concept and let us ask for each people of this subcontinent wheather they want freedom from their parent nation..let us ask and take a referendum to each state and type of people of Paksitan,India,Tibet,Nepal,BD,Srilanka and Bhutan about their integrity towards its parent nation.....Then we can say that yes freedom has given to every one here...why only feedom and choice only to be bestowed to J&K only.....