Americans are risking destroying the whole Earth

[Aepsilons]

In fact Saddam can get away of invading or occupying kuwait, US knows about it, and it is believe that there are secret communique between US and Iraq limiting the war on only capturing Kuwaiti Oil field and once they were captured, the Iraqi would have left. That would be enough for US to pay back what Iraqi think the US owe them during the Iran-Iraq war.

Now for reason beyond our imagination, this is not to be, the Iraqi troop occupied Kuwait and they actually trying to annex and dispel the Kuwaiti royalty, whats more is they (Iraqi) try to attack and invade the US moderate allied in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. That is the red line for the US to act, infact, hostility between US, Saudi and the iraqi have started long before the first gulf war.

Maybe Saddam took the US blessing too far or he think he can litrrally took Kuwait and then Saudi without any foreign intervention? Gods knows

It was a foolish gross miscalculation on his part.Kuwait is the second largest source of petroleum in the Middle East and so Iraqi invasion of Kuwait sent the world oil market into a frenzy. Iraqi forces then gathered their forces on the border with Saudi Arabia, the second largest supplier of oil in the world. This in turn brought the military might of the United States into the conflict. The shear fact that he had positioned the full force of the Iraqi Army to the border of Saudi Arabia, a key military and energy ally of the Civilized World, and a major supplier of oil to the United States -- inevitably placed the United States at odds with Iraq. It was a war that was brought on by Iraq.

In Fact --- the late Saudi King, King Fahd and Prince Khaled bin Sultan --- both lambasted Saddam for his decision to invade Kuwait, and lambasted him further for the threatening fact the latter had positioned the Iraqi Army at the border of Saudi Arabia.

 

[jhungary]

It was a foolish gross miscalculation on his part.Kuwait is the second largest source of petroleum in the Middle East and so Iraqi invasion of Kuwait sent the world oil market into a frenzy. Iraqi forces then gathered their forces on the border with Saudi Arabia, the second largest supplier of oil in the world. This in turn brought the military might of the United States into the conflict. The shear fact that he had positioned the full force of the Iraqi Army to the border of Saudi Arabia, a key military and energy ally of the Civilized World, and a major supplier of oil to the United States -- inevitably placed the United States at odds with Iraq. It was a war that was brought on by Iraq.

In Fact --- the late Saudi King, King Fahd and Prince Khaled bin Sultan --- both lambasted Saddam for his decision to invade Kuwait, and lambasted him further for the threatening fact the latter had positioned the Iraqi Army at the border of Saudi Arabia.

The US did not have much affinity toward Kuwait before the war, and it was always toward the Saudi

In a Way Saddam overestimate their own force and think they can take kuwait and saudi in one go...and become king of ME.

Thee truth is, they sort of.underestimate the.bond between US and Saudi...

I would still think Saddam would still be here today if he just invade kuwait but not MSA aa saddam was actually quite moderate in ME before First gulf war and he is indeed the only one who can balance and stablise Iraq, he is the only one powerful enough to do so.

But he did what he did, and we are forced into our hand for it...

 

[Aepsilons]

The US did not have much affinity toward Kuwait before the war, and it was always toward the Saudi

In a Way Saddam overestimate their own force and think they can take kuwait and saudi in one go...and become king of ME.

Thee truth is, they sort of.underestimate the.bond between US and Saudi...

I would still think Saddam would still be here today if he just invade kuwait but not MSA aa saddam was actually quite moderate in ME before First gulf war and he is indeed the only one who can balance and stablise Iraq, he is the only one powerful enough to do so.

But he did what he did, and we are forced into our hand for it...

Absolutely. The United States and the entire West as well a Japan were all THREATENED. This war was big -- and i can still remember Japanese News Media showing this. Unfortunate because relations between Japan and Iraq was good before the war.

Nevertheless, business is business. Saudi Arabia, as the largest oil producer --- was the one giving the life blood of the world's industry --- the US, Japan, Europe, South America, China, et al --- depended on this.

Saddam had grossly miscalculated his own power, and that of the world's response. The threat of invasion in Saudi Arabia was too much for a risk. His invasion of Kuwait was equally deplorable, but the fact that he had mobilized the majority of the Iraqi Army --- A force of some 650,000 men --- to the border of Saudi Arabia --- was a red line he had definitely passed.

And , well....everything else is history.

 

[Gufi]

You have much to learn , padawan.

you have much to research my padawan.... the world is not in balance... The CIA has toppled governments... that is widely known knowledge... the interests in oil have made normally American values of freedom and democracy become jaded
The issue of the wars being fought have a direct bearing on the help given to certain states and upholstering governments which were not even wanted by their people. When the super power of the world supports and topples regimes on personal politics it causes problems like the extremism we are seeing today.
Please watch the daily show by jon stewart you can find old episodes online. Do google Jon Stewart and read about him also. He tells the news in a different way and has been known to take on the majority government view.
Justifying wars for reasons which turn out ot be false and later saying it still had to be done should have applied to Syria also.
And my friend the freedom of speech you talk about is also a lie if you want i can prove that to you. Interests strong enough in America can actually stop you from talking about things which are harmful to their interests.
And yes every time the Palestinian issue has come up USA has been the main vetoing power to stop any progress.

 

[Aepsilons]

I would still think Saddam would still be here today if he just invade kuwait but not MSA aa saddam was actually quite moderate in ME before First gulf war and he is indeed the only one who can balance and stablise Iraq, he is the only one powerful enough to do so.

I agree. Saddam , in his earlier years, was arguably a necessary unifying force in a nation that is truly multicultural , if ever there was one. Imagine --- Iraq is considered the birthplace of civilization. It is in the Euphrates Crescent that came forth many ancient civilizations. It is a land of diversity, and a wondrous , glorious history. Iraq, specially the land of Ur, is where Abraham (considered and revered as the founding prophet in Judaism, Christianity, Islam). The Jews call him Avrahom, the Christians call him Abraham, the Muslims call him Ibrahim. From what is now present day Iraq, would come forth the three largest Religions and three of the most dynamic civilizations the world has ever seen.

I am hopeful that years from now, Iraq will be stabilized. I remain an optimist.

 

[jhungary]

Absolutely. The United States and the entire West as well a Japan were all THREATENED. This war was big -- and i can still remember Japanese News Media showing this. Unfortunate because relations between Japan and Iraq was good before the war.

Nevertheless, business is business. Saudi Arabia, as the largest oil producer --- was the one giving the life blood of the world's industry --- the US, Japan, Europe, South America, China, et al --- depended on this.

Saddam had grossly miscalculated his own power, and that of the world's response. The threat of invasion in Saudi Arabia was too much for a risk. His invasion of Kuwait was equally deplorable, but the fact that he had mobilized the majority of the Iraqi Army --- A force of some 650,000 men --- to the border of Saudi Arabia --- was a red line he had definitely passed.

And , well....everything else is history.

I think Saddam miscalculate both his strength and the West response when he decided to roll into Saudi Arabia.

Even at the begining of the war US and Co are indeed understrength , i think the UN have around 115000 ground troop in the begining of Desert Shield (Air component of Desert storm) phase and number was adding. That is the basic reason why UN started ground war about 4 days iirc after desert shield.

Even so, UN would still manage to raise 450000 troop and that was a downright disadvantage for invasion.

Traditional wisdom would suggest a 3 to 1 attacker : defender troop ratio for any offensive operation. I think thats why Iraq decided to attack KSA.

However, the result is eell known

 

[TruthSeeker]

@LeveragedBuyout , @SvenSvensonov , @gambit , @Solomon2 , @F-22Raptor , @AMDR , @TruthSeeker , @Peter C and @CENTCOM ---- Since you are all American posters and many of you are or served in the US Government or military, what's your response to Hazzy's claim(s).

Thanks !

Hazzy is an idiot. All the Palestinians need to do to be "free" is to accept the State of Israel as a Jewish homeland. That's it! It is very, very, very simple. The Arabs have had 65 years to accept the Jews having control over a very, very small piece of land. the fact that the Arabs haven't been able to accommodate to this shows their intransigence and stupidity.

 

[Asian.Century]

Americans have committed sins no other civilization or country has ever committed, a pure terror dajjal of world!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

US indeed is the largest problem creator in Middle east the Veto game is going on since 90's'

Last time around when Egypt made progress in war against Israel , under Sadaat , a temporary peace agreement was done , and then Sadaat was assasinated

Similarly a Yasir Arafat was killed by Nuclear poisoning , once a fake peace summit was done in 90's under bill clinton. In the aftermath of that summit Israel was given more US aid then ever and in end it did not produce any benefit for Palestinians who lost their prominent leader and also tremendous losses in their economy

It is a recurring theme of

Treaty - Aid Israel - Treaty - Aid Israel - Treaty - Aid israel Project

 

[rambro]

US in its current form is a hijacked state or other word banana republic.
Whoever is the president matters not as he will always be beholden to the lobbyists in their presidential campaign

Play along or end up like JFK

Lobbyist are wealthy and well connected from gov officials, to corporations to secret agencies like CIA, and they are mostly if not all jewish zionists.

These are the shadow gov

national interests takes a back seat, look beyond the front/smokescreen. Follow the money trail.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The post of President in USA is now pretty much a ceremonial position , the real power holders are the folks who lend cash to Banks or folks who in Groups , can effect the day to day operations of stock exchange

 

[rambro]

The post of President in USA is now pretty much a ceremonial position , the real power holders are the folks who lend cash to Banks or folks who in Groups , can effect the day to day operations of stock exchange

Bluntly put, a mascot
I once asked a youtuber to run for potus, i get an immediate answer: i dont want that job.