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Hi I have some really questions and points to discuss for the future of south asia where Pakistan forms one of the major and the deciding factor for the fate of South Asia.

We all know the American hostilities in Pakistan. Americans are planning to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Iran forms one of the main target of the Americans keeping in mind the Iranians hostilities to Israel. With the recovery of market and if the hostilities continue in the same manner the possibility of American and Iranian war cannot be denied.

But the real question which arises what would be the role of Pakistan in the above scenario. Pakistan already hold very good friendly relations with Iran. Will America be forcing Pakistan to address them as done in case of Afghanistan when Pakistan was already holding good relations with Afghan prior to American interference. What should be the stratergy of Pakistan in such a case. Americans can very well bring Pakistan on the negotiation table on the economic grounds. But this would be harmful for the international relations of Pakistan.

Americans have Chinese as well as Indians to keep in check for their growing hunger for power. It would be hard for them to convince the Indians to have their bases in India. So there is a possiblity that Americans try to make a permanent military base in Pakistan luring the politicians for the aid. Other wise South Asia would be out of touch for the Americans. So what would be the take of our Pakistani friends in such a case. This will only deteriorate their situation and their long lived questions with China.
 
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Hi I have some really questions and points to discuss for the future of south asia where Pakistan forms one of the major and the deciding factor for the fate of South Asia.

We all know the American hostilities in Pakistan. Americans are planning to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Iran forms one of the main target of the Americans keeping in mind the Iranians hostilities to Israel. With the recovery of market and if the hostilities continue in the same manner the possibility of American and Iranian war cannot be denied.

But the real question which arises what would be the role of Pakistan in the above scenario. Pakistan already hold very good friendly relations with Iran. Will America be forcing Pakistan to address them as done in case of Afghanistan when Pakistan was already holding good relations with Afghan prior to American interference. What should be the stratergy of Pakistan in such a case. Americans can very well bring Pakistan on the negotiation table on the economic grounds. But this would be harmful for the international relations of Pakistan.

Americans have Chinese as well as Indians to keep in check for their growing hunger for power. It would be hard for them to convince the Indians to have their bases in India. So there is a possiblity that Americans try to make a permanent military base in Pakistan luring the politicians for the aid. Other wise South Asia would be out of touch for the Americans. So what would be the take of our Pakistani friends in such a case. This will only deteriorate their situation and their long lived questions with China.

That is correct, it is the Zionists plan of creating division and fear. United we stand, divided we fall -- that is the lesson for Pak + Iran, as well as for all of South Asia. :smitten:
 
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That is correct, it is the Zionists plan of creating division and fear. United we stand, divided we fall -- that is the lesson for Pak + Iran, as well as for all of South Asia. :smitten:

So what should be the take from the side of Pakistan if America tries the economic card for Pakistan against Iran.... They will never like to engage from the side of Israel.... And if they do so also they would like to have the second front from the side of Pakistan and Israel from the another.....

This will be very explosive situation for Pakistan.
 
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Hi I have some really questions and points to discuss for the future of south asia where Pakistan forms one of the major and the deciding factor for the fate of South Asia.

We all know the American hostilities in Pakistan. Americans are planning to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Iran forms one of the main target of the Americans keeping in mind the Iranians hostilities to Israel. With the recovery of market and if the hostilities continue in the same manner the possibility of American and Iranian war cannot be denied.

But the real question which arises what would be the role of Pakistan in the above scenario. Pakistan already hold very good friendly relations with Iran. Will America be forcing Pakistan to address them as done in case of Afghanistan when Pakistan was already holding good relations with Afghan prior to American interference. What should be the stratergy of Pakistan in such a case. Americans can very well bring Pakistan on the negotiation table on the economic grounds. But this would be harmful for the international relations of Pakistan.

Americans have Chinese as well as Indians to keep in check for their growing hunger for power. It would be hard for them to convince the Indians to have their bases in India. So there is a possiblity that Americans try to make a permanent military base in Pakistan luring the politicians for the aid. Other wise South Asia would be out of touch for the Americans. So what would be the take of our Pakistani friends in such a case. This will only deteriorate their situation and their long lived questions with China.

The U.S. will never have a base in Pakistan. For similar reason America will never have a base in Mexico. Nationalist/patriotic passions would never allow it. also any conflict with the U.S. and Iran will not involve Pakistan. Pakistan's relations with Middle East governments. is more important then their relations with Iran. and in the Middle East Iran is feared more then Israel.
 
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The U.S. will never have a base in Pakistan. For similar reason America will never have a base in Mexico. Nationalist/patriotic passions would never allow it.

US can not have the same in India either.... So what should be the way to keep the South Asia under Uncle Sam's control......
 
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US can not have the same in India either.... So what should be the way to keep the South Asia under Uncle Sam's control......

your assuming the U.S. wants control. Don't mistake wanting influence with control. It is in every countries interest to want influence with other countries. especially in economic matters. And most countries strive for this including India and Pakistan. The U.S. is no different. What can throw a wrench into the proverbial works is what happens when armed conflict erupts. such as 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan. during war more extreme stances are taken by countries then normally would happen. thus the ultimatum that was given to Pakistan to support the U.S. or not.

Pakistan had in the past supported and help install the Taliban in Afghanistan. And the U.S. knows that in order to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban. they had to have Pakistan help or have armed conflict with Pakistan. Since the Taliban enjoyed safe havens in the Tribal areas. However the U.S. has no desire to have a permanent base in the area just for the sake of area influence. If the Taliban are defeated and Osama found. you will see a fast withdraw of U.S. forces. Until that happens though U.S. bases in Afghanistan will continue to grow.
 
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your assuming the U.S. wants control. Don't mistake wanting influence with control. It is in every countries interest to want influence with other countries. especially in economic matters. And most countries strive for this including India and Pakistan. The U.S. is no different. What can throw a wrench into the proverbial works is what happens when armed conflict erupts. such as 9/11 and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan. during war more extreme stances are taken by countries then normally would happen. thus the ultimatum that was given to Pakistan to support the U.S. or not.

Pakistan had in the past supported and help install the Taliban in Afghanistan. And the U.S. knows that in order to go after Al Qaeda and the Taliban. they had to have Pakistan help or have armed conflict with Pakistan. Since the Taliban enjoyed safe havens in the Tribal areas. However the U.S. has no desire to have a permanent base in the area just for the sake of area influence. If the Taliban are defeated and Osama found. you will see a fast withdraw of U.S. forces. Until that happens though U.S. bases in Afghanistan will continue to grow.

I meant the same "influence". With the growing giants within Asia US will definitely like to keep a check on them. India is quite favorable these days for the Americans but India would be least interested in providing them bases as they will never like to deteriorate their relations with China. Though there will always be a back door support for US from the Indian side in terms of intelligence and other affairs.

So in order to keep a check on Iran and Israeli interest US needs a presence in South Asia.
 
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Hi I have some really questions and points to discuss for the future of south asia where Pakistan forms one of the major and the deciding factor for the fate of South Asia.

We all know the American hostilities in Pakistan. Americans are planning to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Iran forms one of the main target of the Americans keeping in mind the Iranians hostilities to Israel. With the recovery of market and if the hostilities continue in the same manner the possibility of American and Iranian war cannot be denied.

But the real question which arises what would be the role of Pakistan in the above scenario. Pakistan already hold very good friendly relations with Iran. Will America be forcing Pakistan to address them as done in case of Afghanistan when Pakistan was already holding good relations with Afghan prior to American interference. What should be the stratergy of Pakistan in such a case. Americans can very well bring Pakistan on the negotiation table on the economic grounds. But this would be harmful for the international relations of Pakistan.

Americans have Chinese as well as Indians to keep in check for their growing hunger for power. It would be hard for them to convince the Indians to have their bases in India. So there is a possiblity that Americans try to make a permanent military base in Pakistan luring the politicians for the aid. Other wise South Asia would be out of touch for the Americans. So what would be the take of our Pakistani friends in such a case. This will only deteriorate their situation and their long lived questions with China.

Americans dont ahve strength to engage in another war, the public pressure on american leaders will be immense not to engage Iran
It will be more of a Iran vs Israel & possibility of limited scale war is some what of question, the main Israeli objective will be to neutralize Iranian Nuclear facilities but ppl forget here a factor, which i think is a ver big factor, i.e The non state actors which Iran can use against Israel Hezbollah & Hamas, they an put a check on activity of Hamas but they cannot effectively control Hezbollah & after recent ISraeli aggression in Lebanon Hezbollah has emerged as card which can be used against Israel & what will be response of arab countries, some may argue that Arabs hate Iran more than Israel but this hatred for Iran is some what restricted to Arab leaders only Arab leaders will be under immense pressure from their public & what about Syria, These factors must not be neglected...
my persoanl opinion America will not involve physically in this Iran-Israel war so question of bases in Pakistan is out of question, they already have bases in UAE & Saudi Arabia& Pakistan will never ever support Israel & America on this adventure to neutralize Iran, be it political or material support :disagree:
Pakistani Public is already against Israel & pakistan has not even accepted Israel & most of the ppl don't want diplomatic relations with Israel...
 
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Americans dont ahve strength to engage in another war, the public pressure on american leaders will be immense not to engage Iran
It will be more of a Iran vs Israel & possibility of limited scale war is some what of question, the main Israeli objective will be to neutralize Iranian Nuclear facilities but ppl forget here a factor, which i think is a ver big factor, i.e The non state actors which Iran can use against Israel Hezbollah & Hamas, they an put a check on activity of Hamas but they cannot effectively control Hezbollah & after recent ISraeli aggression in Lebanon Hezbollah has emerged as card which can be used against Israel & what will be response of arab countries, some may argue that Arabs hate Iran more than Israel but this hatred for Iran is some what restricted to Arab leaders only Arab leaders will be under immense pressure from their public & what about Syria, These factors must not be neglected...
my persoanl opinion America will not involve physically in this Iran-Israel war so question of bases in Pakistan is out of question, they already have bases in UAE & Saudi Arabia& Pakistan will never ever support Israel & America on this adventure to neutralize Iran, be it political or material support :disagree:
Pakistani Public is already against Israel & pakistan has not even accepted Israel & most of the ppl don't want diplomatic relations with Israel...

For the same reasons as stated by you as I said Americans will not like to open the front from the side of Israel and would like to use Pakistan with no aggression from the Israeli side. And to force Pakistan into such a conflict they can use the economic dice which they hold.....

But this would create more turmoil within Pakistan as common public would be against it........ Actually I am concerned because such a turmoil definitely impact India being a neighbor.
 
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For the same reasons as stated by you as I said Americans will not like to open the front from the side of Israel and would like to use Pakistan with no aggression from the Israeli side. And to force Pakistan into such a conflict they can use the economic dice which they hold.....

Didnt got ur meaning, clarify a bit...
In case of Pakistan it will depend how leadership will handle American pressure & public opinion...
 
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Didnt got ur meaning, clarify a bit...
In case of Pakistan it will depend how leadership will handle American pressure & public opinion...

By economic dice I mean once they quit Afghanistan aids will stop for Pakistan and Pakistan has applied for the loans with the WB and IMF as a contingency plan. US is influential enough in these institutions to impact the decisions crippling Pakistan back to aid from US in return for US support for the invasion within Iran.... In such a scenerio it would be really tough decison for the people of Pakistan to make.

What my take would be to neutralize relations with India as soon as possible. Force India by any means possible on the negotiation table. Even though disputes resolve out, there would be some time frame needed to develop the mutual trust. Right now it would be more in the interests of Pakistan to settle down disputes as India would be comfortable holding the current stand for next many years. Doing so would increase Indian intervertion within the Pakistan economy and the Indo Pak Chinese nexus will never let US to intervene in South Asia with much more US interests at stake... This way Pakistan would also be able exercise more control into BRIC nations. As well as collectively it would be more easier to settle down the economy and political scenerio of Pakistan.

A stable Pakistan is in the interests of everyone. But there are some seriously tough choices which are to be made within the elites of Pakistan.

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By economic dice I mean once they quit Afghanistan aids will stop for Pakistan and Pakistan has applied for the loans with the WB and IMF as a contingency plan. US is influential enough in these institutions to impact the decisions crippling Pakistan back to aid from US in return for US support for the invasion within Iran.... In such a scenerio it would be really tough decison for the people of Pakistan to make.

What my take would be to neutralize relations with India as soon as possible. Force India by any means possible on the negotiation table. Even though disputes resolve out, there would be some time frame needed to develop the mutual trust. Right now it would be more in the interests of Pakistan to settle down disputes as India would be comfortable holding the current stand for next many years. Doing so would increase Indian intervertion within the Pakistan economy and the Indo Pak Chinese nexus will never let US to intervene in South Asia with much more US interests at stake... This way Pakistan would also be able exercise more control into BRIC nations. As well as collectively it would be more easier to settle down the economy and political scenerio of Pakistan.

After end of soviet occupation, AId stopped did Pak fell, nopes, Aid right now is more or less going into pockets of political elites :disagree: As i said before in case of Pakistan its dependent on political leadership that how it will handles american pressure along with public opinion
Pakistan don't want any hostility with India, but India has got a 'dual' behavior, there are ppl within corriders of power in India who dont want negotiations with Pak e.g at Sharm Al Sheikh Indian agreed to talk but once he reached India, he faced criticism & every thing that was gained in Shram Al Sheikh went down the drain :disagree: Now Indian officials are playing 'statement game', I want to ask Indians that if we are going to talk then what else are we going to do? Push each other back to the stone age, none of us here wants that to happen

A stable Pakistan is in the interests of everyone. But there are some seriously tough choices which are to be made within the elites of Pakistan.

Unfortunately there are ppl like Bharat Verma who disagree with u want to c Pak, shattered & down on its knees & published in Indian Defence Review..

Stable Pakistan not in India’s interest
ndians pose the biggest threat to the union of India. The reason is simple. An average Indian does not constitute a nation but is merely an individual. His personal well-being overrides all other considerations including the national interests.

Therefore, many have begun to propagate parting of Kashmir in their write-ups, since it does not belong individually to them. However, imagine the hue and cry if their personal property and family is held hostage by the terrorists. They will sing a different tune!

The blame lies with New Delhi. For the past sixty years, instead of consolidating the Union, leaders encouraged divisiveness on the basis of religion and caste for sheer vote bank politics. Instead of unifying its citizenry with good governance and increasing their stakes through prosperity, so that they may serve the cause of the nation with honor, it has treated its citizens with unprecedented shabbiness. The result is groups of citizens have risen against the state, mostly for lack of economic progress and denial of justice. Such disgruntled groups are being taken advantage of by the external forces inimical to India.


There can never be unity in diversity. Unity requires a fair amount of uniformity in laws throughout the Union.

That New Delhi is its own enemy became obvious, when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic State on its borders. This nation-state contradicts every democratic and multi-cultural values dear to India.

Therefore, if New Delhi has not slept a wink since the creation of Pakistan, it has no one except itself to blame!

Islamabad, besides the wars it imposed on New Delhi, extended its so-called Islamic purity to the Kashmir Valley by instigating the locals to carry out ethnic cleansing of the minority communities.

Hence, first we created a state with inbuilt characteristic of fundamentalism, and extreme philosophy contrary to our professed beliefs; then the monster in it started ethnic cleansing in the Valley; and engineered demographic changes through Bangladesh in West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast. Saudi Arabia and other Islamic oil-rich countries pitched in with the petro-dollars in support. All in the cause of the illusion called Ummah and establishing the Caliphate!

The Indian leadership for its personal vote-bank gains helped these inimical forces by bringing the IMDT in Assam. Later, it was slammed as illegal by the Supreme Court. Too late - the damage was done, as the Union’s overburdened security forces, grapple with 15 million illegal Bangladesh infiltrators creating mayhem in the society.

Islamabad, Dhaka, and now Kathmandu, spurred on by Beijing, have united with the singular agenda to unhook the Valley and the Northeast from the Union. In addition, they are instigating the Maoists who control almost forty percent of the Union’s territory, to set up a parallel government, and ultimately, like the Maoists in Nepal, win the elections in pockets of their influence, and impose a regressive authoritarian governments in tune with their own regime. Simple. Brilliant. And yet, New Delhi, instead of consolidating and unifying the Union, continues to divide its citizenry in religious or caste denominations.

In the past sixty years, New Delhi’s muddle-headed policies encouraged separatism.

Instead of ensuring diffusion of secular pan-Indian culture, and integration of the society by encouraging Indians from all over to buy and develop land and industry in the Valley and the Northeast, it imposed restrictions on such settlements. Meanwhile, Pakistan and Bangladesh exported their fundamentalist populations to change the demographic hues in their interest. The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Union.

The trend needs to be reversed forcibly by integrating the Valley firmly into the Indian mainstream by creating a secular mix of population through industrialisation.

Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. This is a false proposition.

The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947-stable or otherwise.

It is factually correct that Islamabad has enjoyed brief periods of stability in the span of sixty years of its existence. However, during these phases of stability, it continued to export terrorism, fake currency, narcotics, and indulged in attempts to change demographics on our borders, cultivated sleeper cells and armed groups inside our territory to create an uprising at an appropriate time. Also, it aligned with Beijing and other powers, in a mutually beneficial scheme, to tie-down and ultimately cause a territorial split of the Union.

With Pakistan on the brink of collapse due to massive internal as well as international contradictions, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist. :rofl:

Multiple benefits will accrue to the Union of India on such demise.

If ever the national interests are defined with clarity and prioritised, the foremost threat to the Union (and for centuries before) materialised on the western periphery, continuously. To defend this key threat to the Union, New Delhi should extend its influence through export of both, soft and hard power towards Central Asia from where invasions have been mounted over centuries. Cessation of Pakistan as a state facilitates furtherance of this pivotal national objective.

The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away-a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion. In either case Baluchistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. In this, there is synergy between the political objectives of the Americans and the Indians. Our existing goodwill in Baluchistan requires intelligent leveraging :hitwall:

Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends. :hitwall::hitwall:

Pakistan’s breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, as the core of this is located in Pakistan, and functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.

With China’s one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt. Beijing continues to pose primary threat to New Delhi. Even as we continue to engage with it as constructively as possible, we must strive to remove the proxy. At the same time, it is prudent to extend moral support to the people of Tibet to sink Chinese expansionism in the morass of insurgency.

For a change, let us do to them what they do to us!

The chances of Central Asia getting infected with the Jihadi fervour will recede. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. With disintegration of ISI’s inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease. Within the Union social harmony will improve enormously. Export of Islamic fundamentalism, with its 360-degree sweep from Islamabad, will vanish. Even a country like Thailand will heave a sigh of relief!

Above all, the gathering storm of threat from a united group of authoritarian regimes along our 14,000 km borders, orchestrated and synchronised by Pakistan will dissolve.

At the height of the recent disturbances in the Valley, when a general asked me for a suggestion to resolve the issue, I said: “Remove Pakistan. The threat will disappear permanently.” Today the collapse of Pakistan as a state is almost certain. All the King’s men cannot save it from itself.

Looking ahead, New Delhi should formulate an appropriate strategy for ‘post-Pakistan scenario’ to secure India’s interests in Central Asia.

It is intriguing, therefore, to hear New Delhi mouthing the falsehood that stable Pakistan is in India’s interest. Perpetuation of such illogic for vote-bank politics is harming consolidation and integration of the Union. Short-sighted politicians as usual are overlooking the national interest for the short-term personal gains of few votes!
Stable Pakistan not in India?s interest | Indian Defence Review

This kind of Thinking is some what dominating Indian Think Tanks & intellectuals & politicians see Pakistan a object to score points & gain votes...
 
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Hi I have some really questions and points to discuss for the future of south asia where Pakistan forms one of the major and the deciding factor for the fate of South Asia.

We all know the American hostilities in Pakistan. Americans are planning to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Iran forms one of the main target of the Americans keeping in mind the Iranians hostilities to Israel. With the recovery of market and if the hostilities continue in the same manner the possibility of American and Iranian war cannot be denied.

But the real question which arises what would be the role of Pakistan in the above scenario. Pakistan already hold very good friendly relations with Iran. Will America be forcing Pakistan to address them as done in case of Afghanistan when Pakistan was already holding good relations with Afghan prior to American interference. What should be the stratergy of Pakistan in such a case. Americans can very well bring Pakistan on the negotiation table on the economic grounds. But this would be harmful for the international relations of Pakistan.

Americans have Chinese as well as Indians to keep in check for their growing hunger for power. It would be hard for them to convince the Indians to have their bases in India. So there is a possiblity that Americans try to make a permanent military base in Pakistan luring the politicians for the aid. Other wise South Asia would be out of touch for the Americans. So what would be the take of our Pakistani friends in such a case. This will only deteriorate their situation and their long lived questions with China.

Sir america already started making moves in pakistan. America kept increasing its presence in pakistan and i doubt pakistan can do much. Sir someone above posts said america cant afford one more war. Sir iraq was rich country with oil. Yet they lost war. Pakistan far behind in money compared to iraq. Pakistan at the moment alot weak sir. America can do anything as america knew alot about pakistan then india or china. America getting stronger and making grip tighter in pakistan sir.
 
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Sir america already started making moves in pakistan. America kept increasing its presence in pakistan and i doubt pakistan can do much. Sir someone above posts said america cant afford one more war. Sir iraq was rich country with oil. Yet they lost war. Pakistan far behind in money compared to iraq. Pakistan at the moment alot weak sir. America can do anything as america knew alot about pakistan then india or china. America getting stronger and making grip tighter in pakistan sir.

Stop ranting, ur going to compare Iraq & Pakistan :hitwall:
Iraq was shattered systematically by sanctions & in the end false excuses of WMDs was made to to go for a final kill ( I think CIA is still searching for 'em :lol:) & still Americans got beating & were unable to hold ground..
Pakistan's security apparatus is fully alive to dangers Pakistan is facing
 
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Bharat varma

I ll reply to you in short time regarding other issues. Busy with some buisness proposals.

But regarding Bharat Verma. Do you guys really think its only you who has Zaid Hamid? You guys developed him but forgot to get a copyright of him. We are developing Bharat Verma with the second strike capability. :rofl: Take it as a comedy show with lots of masala and spices...... Love it in the way how much poison and frustration Bharat Varma has for your country. We do the same with Zaid Hamid. :lol:Man they are sick. Love watching him with popcorn :pop:
 
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