American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

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The best the Pak Mil can do outside of an 'Act of War' would be to deploy whatever AA defenses (capable of posing a threat to NATO air assets) it can with its border posts, and end drone attacks and take the issue to the UN.

My point however is that the Pak Mil position is going to be undermined by the current GoP leadership that will be telling the US that 'we want to continue cooperating with you but the military won't let us ...'.

The best thing the Pakistan military can do right now is to clamp hard at US presence inside Pakistan, close the supply lines permanently or indefinitely, ask them to vacate Shamsi airbase; & instead of burning bridges, the ISI should start creating a larger stake for itself in Afghanistan, & without going on an outright confrontation with the US, minimize all forms of co-operation with the US. We shall see the effects of these moves soon enough when Afghanistan is affected adversely, & it should also placate the Pakistani nation & the Army ranks somewhat, who threaten the the Zardari regime & Kayani respectively.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes as the ultimate boss if he puts his men in a place whre they cannot be protected than he is to blame.

It is a friggin border post, to act against Taliban militants, on Pakistani soil - how many NATO border posts are designed to withstand attacks from bombs dropped by fighter jets and missiles fired by Apache/Cobra's?

Stop spewing nonsense for the sake of arguing alone.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

come on Sir.....this mistaken strike thing...how could this be a misake....they have everything on their GPS...they see it from satellites and night vision stuff.......dont suggest new ideas to harame musharfees.....how can we possibly defend this...we lost 28 young guns....this is not a joke or an isolated case.......after hussain haqqani is removed...they have done this deliberately to change the mood and demand of countrymen.

OK, fine, then the best response along the lines of the one you want would be a similar 'mistake' in bombing NATO border posts, but you cannot claim 'mistake' by launching cruise missiles at their major bases.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

than the same way we would not who was hiding in your check post? Why are you so sacred to send the international press there?

Low life british and americans.

 

[President Camacho]

Agreed that an apology won't bring back our martyrs - but if there is a joint investigation and the heads of State of NATO apologize, the response from Pakistan should also be tempered, though there should still be a response in terms of ending ALL US military operations on and from Pakistani territory from now on.

With strong anti-American sentiments prevailing through the Pakistani masses, I wonder if such an approach as you suggest will push them over the top. People may feel (I am not sure whether they would for certain) that the PA is colluding with with NATO in the investigation and is trying to play down the incident.

The Army too needs public support to maintain its strength, and unless something concrete is done that shall appear as punishing of the "perpetrators", the public support for the military will keep going down. People will feel that the PA is completely satisfied with nothing more than another NATO apology in exchange for the dead troops.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

With strong anti-American sentiments prevailing through the Pakistani masses, I wonder if such an approach as you suggest will push them over the top. People may feel (I am not sure whether they would for certain) that the PA is colluding with with NATO in the investigation and is trying to play down the incident.

The Army too needs public support to maintain its strength, and unless something concrete is done that shall appear as punishing of the "perpetrators", the public support for the military will keep going down. People will feel that the PA is completely satisfied with nothing more than another NATO apology in exchange for the dead troops.

Livin upto ur signature..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

than the same way we would not who was hiding in your check post? Why are you so sacred to send the international press there?

You are a retard - what the bloody hell does that have to do with one individual hiding in a City?

I don't have any patience for your stupidity right now.

 

[pak-marine]

and the drama continues , what is it are they confused between who is the enemy whilst the enemy is on east - west and right between us ,,, this is what happens to a nation when you give your house keys to chowkidar , he has put up the house for sale

 

[nForce]

Okay..heres the thing.. this is what I m going to do.I will wait for 15 days,see what happens and find out what happens in reality......fingers crossed ..eh??

 

[W.11]

about time this neutral guy was banned

 

[Desert Fox]

This is the state of our current leaders, no ****!ng shame, they don't give two sh!ts for their own soldiers, remember the last time this happened, so called army spokesmen Athar Abbas ISPR stated that Pakistan will not tolerate it, what now Mr Abbas, only ****!ng empty promises. Scums are are in top positions, scums!!!!

28 Pak troops killed in NATO attack

At least 28 Pakistani soldiers were killed today when NATO helicopters and combat jets fired on two border posts in the country's northwest, prompting army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to direct his troops to prepare for "an effective response" even as authorities cut off all supplies for US
forces in Afghanistan.

The attack, the worst single incident of its kind in one decade, looked set to plunge US-Pak relations, already deeply frayed, further into crisis. A major and a captain of the Pakistan Army were among those killed when NATO aircraft fired at the borders posts in Baizai area of Mohmand tribal region at 2 am.

Fifteen more personnel were wounded and the death toll could rise as some of the injured were in a serious condition, several officials said. A military statement said the NATO aircraft "carried out unprovoked firing" on the border posts. Pakistani troops "effectively responded immediately in self-defence to NATO/ISAF's aggression with all available weapons". Gen Kayani strongly condemned "NATO/ISAF's blatant and unacceptable act". While lauding the effective response by Pakistani soldiers, he issued orders for taking all necessary steps for "an effective response to this irresponsible act". Within hours of the attack, Pakistani authorities sealed off the country's border stopping all container trucks and tankers carrying supplies for US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir called in US Ambassador Cameron Munter to lodge a "strong protest on the unprovoked NATO/ISAF attack", the Foreign Office said in a statement.

Bashir told the US envoy that the attack had "deeply incensed the government and the people of Pakistan". The President, Prime Minister and the government "strongly condemn the attacks which were totally unacceptable, constituted a grave infringement of Pakistan's sovereignty, were violative of international law and a serious transgression of the oft conveyed red lines", the statement said. The incident could have "serious repercussions on Pakistan-US/NATO/ISAF cooperation", the statement further said.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani described the incident as an "attack on Pakistan's security and sovereignty" and cut short a visit to his hometown of Multan to rush back to Islamabad. He convened a meeting of the Defence Committee of the Cabinet to formulate Pakistan's response to the incident. Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Governor Masood Kausar, while talking to media in Islamabad, put the death toll at 26. However, other officials were quoted by the media as saying that 28 soldiers were killed. The attack comes at a time when US-Pak relations have plunged to a new low since early this year over the Raymond Davis episode and the unilateral raid by US that killed al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad on May 2. US Ambassador Munter expressed regret at today's incident and offered assistance in probing it. In a statement issued by the US Embassy, Munter said: "I regret the loss of life of any Pakistani servicemen, and pledge that the United States will work closely with Pakistan to investigate this incident". A spokesman for the NATO-led ISAF in Kabul said the coalition was aware of "an incident" near the border and was gathering information on it.

Security forces blocked all entry points to Mohmand Agency after the incident and began checking all vehicles. Several crossings on the Afghanistan frontier, including Landikotal and Takhtbai, were closed and over 150 NATO supply vehicles were turned back to Peshawar. The Pakistan Embassy in the US lodged a verbal protest over the attack. The Deputy Chief of Mission Iffat Gardezi contacted the US State Department at midnight and described the incident as "unprovoked". Pakistan's Ambassador to the European Union, Jalil Abbas Jilani, lodged a similar protest with NATO. Former premier Nawaz Sharif, the chief of the PML-N, condemned the incident and described it as an "act of terrorism" while Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf chief Imran Khan called on the government to pull out of the US-led war on terrorism.

The incident occurred just a day after Gen Kayani and the commander of coalition forces in Afghanistan, Gen John Allen, met in Islamabad and discussed the need for tighter measures to block the movement of militants across the Pak-Afghan border. In May, two Pakistani soldiers were injured in an exchange of fire with two NATO helicopters from Afghanistan that intruded into the volatile North Waziristan tribal region. Pakistan had retaliated against yet another incursion by NATO helicopters in September last year, which killed two Pakistani soldiers, by shutting down the main supply route for NATO forces.

The route was reopened after the US tendered an official apology for the incursion. Prior to today's attack, the deadliest attack on Pakistani soldiers involving NATO occurred in June 2008, when 11 soldiers were killed in an air strike in Mohmand Agency.

28 Pak troops killed in NATO attack - Hindustan Times

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The Army too needs public support to maintain its strength, and unless something concrete is done that shall appear as punishing of the "perpetrators", the public support for the military will keep going down. People will feel that the PA is completely satisfied with nothing more than another NATO apology in exchange for the dead troops.

Tangible actions - Take drone strikes, border attacks and supply routes issue to UN and officially declare an end to support for all three and enforce it - i.e. start shooting down drones. The issue will be in the UN, so if the US really thinks it has the international legal justification to conduct them, it can try and pass a UNSC resolution declaring the same.

 

[W.11]

Tangible actions - Take drone strikes, border attacks and supply routes issue to UN and officially declare an end to support for all three and enforce it - i.e. start shooting down drones. The issue will be in the UN, so if the US really thinks it has the international legal justification to conduct them, it can try and pass a UNSC resolution declaring the same.

its time that first pakistan separates from the WOT, and then take the next step as you have written

 

[President Camacho]

Tangible actions - Take drone strikes, border attacks and supply routes issue to UN and officially declare an end to support for all three and enforce it - i.e. start shooting down drones. The issue will be in the UN, so if the US really thinks it has the international legal justification to conduct them, it can try and pass a UNSC resolution declaring the same.

That's exactly what I was thinking too. If things go by with just words exchanged by each side, there will be loss of moral too among the PA troops. This incident is grave enough to demand for some tangible actions.

 

[VCheng]

Yet you had no problem arguing that 'might is right' in the case of 'injustice being meted out' when Raymond Davis murdered two Pakistanis in cold blood and the US was attempting to coerce Pakistan into launching a military operation in NW.

This is rather hypocritical - if it is 'justice' that you support, then justice demands that either side play by the same rules and be judged in the same manner.

That is NOT what I argued in RD's case; I had merely accepted the ground realities, just as PA will need to accept the ground realities in this case.