American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[Rank]

What a joke Obama fone to Zardari just to join BONN conference nothing else more THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN AND ARMY AGAINST BON Conference ja jo pathna hey patlay wesa b America ke jo kutay wali kardi hey sare dunya daek rahe hey! yehi okaat hey is SUP

 

[regular]

Bhai please give a break to your conspiracy theories. You are over doing it now.

Harr
Bhai mein kya karroon dil khoon keh Ansoon roo Raha Hah.... Everytime we/Awaam/public get decieved sometimes by the US/NATO and sometimes by our sell out traitorz....I wish and pray for everybody to come on right path to save humanity, cuz war is distruction of everything. Loss for everybody on earth. God/Allah SBWT don't like wars in which innocent humans gets killed.....I'm sorry if I hurts ure feelingz....

 

[regular]

For some people everything is a conspiracy.

Sir! There are some eye witnesses in those some pplz saying or disclosing the conspiracies....This is not just illusion,deep down there is a hidden truth......

 

[regular]

A correction !

Pakistan had been designated as a major non-NATO ally of the USA ...

Sir! not an ally but a major Sweeper Ally or most probably a Boot Polish Ally/Servant ...nothing more than that......

 

[American Pakistani]

MUST WATCH VIDEO.

 

[Desert Fox]

MUST WATCH VIDEO.

Since when did RT use Arabic speaking journalists??? Doesn't make sense, but oh well!

 

[5ever]

ouch... that was cruel, this is what you get in the end from your faithful ally.

best thing to do now is ,kill some US soldiers in Pakistan and just say that , was an accident. thatz all.

Any attacks on Americans will be Pakistan's biggest mistake ever. They can decimate the war fighting capability of any military on the planet, (yes that includes the Indian/Russian/Chinese).

You guys seriously underestimate the awesome power of the American military. I got to see a little bit of it during Talisman Sabre 11 over here in Aus, my uncle was in the IA and he was truly impressed by my recount.

Picking a fight with the Americans is the worst idea ever. There is no organised military in the world that can stand up to them.

 

[regular]

apology or condolence or concern or sorrow and deeply moved all such expressions mean nothing
its the actions that matter. this attack was not the first one and wont be the last one either.

PPP Govt. is panicking and looking for straws now and Americans wont mind providing it because when they feel like they will follow up with another attack

lets not waste our time to report or debate American condolence or sorrow. Whoever will call Zardari from American side he will be begging for his own life and his money nothing else matters.
Just wait and see how this Government will drop its pants and give reason to the world to laugh at us.

Yes! exactly that is the case. Who sufferz??? ... our poor innocent ppl soldierz & officerz by giving their lives for nothing....

 

[American Pakistani]

Since when did RT use Arabic speaking journalists??? Doesn't make sense, but oh well!

Aray bhai aap ko aap khanay say matlab hai ya ghutliyaan ginnay say.

Concentrate on the debate in the video not the language please.

 

[Safriz]

Since when did RT use Arabic speaking journalists??? Doesn't make sense, but oh well!

Never watched RT? Did you?

They use all sorts of anchors and reporters,there are some Pakistani / Indian looking anchors on their channel.

 

[American Pakistani]

Obama Offers ‘Condolences’ in Deaths of Pakistani Troops

By JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr.

Published: December 4, 2011

WASHINGTON — President Obama phoned the president of Pakistan on Sunday to offer “condolences” for the deaths of two dozen soldiers who were killed in NATO airstrikes along the Afghan border, the White House said.

The conversation, eight days after the incident, overcame the reservations of some officials in the Defense Department and favored an approach suggested by diplomats who had urged a more conciliatory gesture. But the president’s comments stopped short of a formal apology or videotaped statement to ease the public anger in Pakistan.

“Earlier today, the president placed a phone call to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to personally express his condolences on the tragic loss of 24 Pakistani soldiers this past week along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan,” the White House said in a statement issued by its press office.

“The president made clear that this regrettable incident was not a deliberate attack on Pakistan and reiterated the United States’ strong commitment to a full investigation,” the statement said. “The two presidents reaffirmed their commitment to the U.S.-Pakistan bilateral relationship, which is critical to the security of both nations, and they agreed to stay in close touch.”

Senior officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, had already issued expressions of remorse and the United States, conceding that its forces were involved, had promised a full investigation. Pakistani and American accounts of what happened have diverged widely, and there has been no full explanation from either side.

The strikes on the two Pakistani outposts came during a tightly planned operation by Afghan and American Special Forces against a Taliban training camp in a remote and mountainous border area.

American officials have said that during the skirmish both sides thought they were under attack by the Taliban. But efforts to sort out precisely what happened — and in the process ease the latest crisis to strain the tenuous alliance between the United States and Pakistan — are being hindered by Pakistan’s refusal to cooperate with the American-led military investigation into the attack, the officials said.

Even the most basic facts are in dispute. The Americans say they were fired on first and cleared the strikes with the Pakistanis. The Pakistanis say that NATO gave the wrong coordinates for the proposed airstrikes and that their forces fired only after the attacks began.

Previous cross-border strikes were investigated jointly and the fallout quickly contained, like the dispute that followed the American helicopter attacks on Pakistani forces in September 2010. But a year of crises that began with an American contractor shooting two Pakistanis to death on a street in Lahore and included the Navy Seal raid northwest of Islamabad that killed Osama bin Laden, now risks ending with the breach of an alliance that has been the cornerstone of American national security policy for the past decade, American officials and analysts have said.

Pakistan has responded to last week’s attack by blocking all NATO logistical supplies from crossing into Afghanistan, telling the Central Intelligence Agency to vacate an air base where drone strikes are launched, and boycotting an international conference on Afghanistan next week in Bonn, Germany.

Some administration aides had worried that if Mr. Obama were to apologize formally to Pakistan, the move could become fodder for his Republican opponents in the presidential campaign.

 

[Safriz]

I wish Pakistan could do this.
Iran threatens retaliation after drone shot down - Telegraph


PDF thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/144802-us-stealth-uav-rq-170-downed-iran.html

 

[President Camacho]

apology or condolence or concern or sorrow and deeply moved all such expressions mean nothing
its the actions that matter. this attack was not the first one and wont be the last one either.

PPP Govt. is panicking and looking for straws now and Americans wont mind providing it because when they feel like they will follow up with another attack

lets not waste our time to report or debate American condolence or sorrow. Whoever will call Zardari from American side he will be begging for his own life and his money nothing else matters.
Just wait and see how this Government will drop its pants and give reason to the world to laugh at us.

I feel it is rather the Pakistan Army whose stand has been weakened. Those who died were army soldiers. Multiple statements showcasing the rage were quickly issued by the ISPR. The confusion related to coordinates was addressed by the Army. Pakistan's involvement in WoT relates to its Army's engagement, more than civilian government's.

The civilian government's silence on the matter is a display of wait and watch policy.

So you see, it is the Army that is scrambling to find a stand that shall be congruent with the public sentiments.

Otherwise, for so many years, the TTP, housed and headquartered in those tribal areas has killed many more and senior Pakistan Army members, but the Army did not make such strong statements or any aggressive moves in those areas to crush the terrorists, until the last few months - for years it depended solely on the drones flown by foreigners. Out of all the 5,000 or so soldiers who died in the WoT, how many were killed by friendly fires, and how many by terrorists in those areas? Ultimately, tribal areas are also Pakistan's own areas, right?

So why reserve the rage to be finally directed at the lesser, enemy? - Because it's the popular enemy.

The thing is, in view of the outrage against the US (for whatever reasons) prevalent among the general populace (and I can bet a million dollars, it is also present among a great chunk of Army officers), the Army is forced to direct its anger toward the US. Rightly or wrongly, we all know.

Now the question is, will the Army be able to complete this tightrope walk between its pro-US policy and anti-US sentiments?

 

[Mercenary]

I wish Pakistan could do this.
Iran threatens retaliation after drone shot down - Telegraph


PDF thread
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/144802-us-stealth-uav-rq-170-downed-iran.html

A nonsense story.

Iran always claim such stories whenever there is internal upheavel.

This is a fake story designed to deflect from the damage that Iran inflicted upon itself by attacking the British embassy

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MUST WATCH VIDEO.

Hamid Gul is nothing more than a conspiracy nut.

Basically, a Pakistani Glenn Beck

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Never watched RT? Did you?

They use all sorts of anchors and reporters,there are some Pakistani / Indian looking anchors on their channel.

RT is basically the mouth piece of Russia. It is designed to give a Russian point of view in English.

 

[53fd]

I feel it is rather the Pakistan Army whose stand has been weakened.

I feel as if you want the Pakistan Army's stand to weakened, but no, it has not been weakened. The supply routes are closed, & will continue to remain closed. The Shamsi airbase is being vacated right now.

Those who died were army soldiers. Multiple statements showcasing the rage were quickly issued by the ISPR.

The ISPR's account has remained entirely consistent.

So you see, it is the Army that is scrambling to find a stand that shall be congruent with the public sentiments.

I think the Army has made it pretty clear where it stands, & the public sentiments correspond with that.

Otherwise, for so many years, the TTP, housed and headquartered in those tribal areas has killed many more and senior Pakistan Army members, but the Army did not make such strong statements or any aggressive moves in those areas to crush the terrorists, until the last few months - for years it depended solely on the drones flown by foreigners.

The ISI has worked very hard to create splits within the TTP for many years, & has succeeded in doing so. You don't need the Army making the noises when the ISI is doing its work quietly & effectively. The armed confrontation with the TTP is small in significance as compared to the work done by the intelligence agency in causing divide inside the groups, & turning them & killing each other.

So why reserve the rage to be finally directed at the lesser, enemy? - Because it's the popular enemy.

As violence is diminishing, & the militants are being rooted out, it is becoming increasingly evident who the bigger enemy is.

Now the question is, will the Army be able to complete this tightrope walk between its pro-US policy and anti-US sentiments?

There is no pro-US policy in the Army, the Army does things in the national interests of Pakistan. I think you try to analyze things too deeply & try to find meanings in things that don't really have any.