No you cant answer. You are telling about something about which I have a very good idea. The standing operating procedure (SOP) to ANY soldier of ANY nation on ANY border is that observe and report. Now, when the air assault must have started the information would have conveyed to your higher brass. The same does not take time and is disseminated to all concerned within minutes. And SOP for any troops on an active border area is to retaliate if attacked.
Ok for arguments sake I accept that orders were not forthcoming from your higher headquarters .... when they came to know that your troops were killed, even then your armed forces did not have the guts to retaliate? DOnt you find that a bit hard to swallow? I certainly do. Knowing the PA very well .... its not some rag tag outfit ...... it has a very clear cut SOP in place and will care hoots to obtain go ahead from GoP.
So what exactly do you want to hear ? All of your posts indicate that you are going round and round in circles by repeating the same arguments again and again thus adding nothing constructive to the discussion ... Yes , we all know that PA wasn't authorized to fire on NATO troops ... That had been the practice until now ... From now on , such doesn't remain the case ... the troops have very clear orders to fire on aggressors ... Come talk to us if such things happen in future ... Only some drunk person will believe that PA authorized the attack on its troops ... Its possible that NATO deliberately gave false information to get attack clearance from GHQ ... Another lie would be that Apaches were there for 2 hours when the operation would have been done in minutes ...
They dont need to save any face. They have managed to attain a majority of their objectives there .... and as for supplies .... its just a minor issue ....
Yes , they need to save face ... you know why ?
Taliban are still present in over 70 % of Afghanistan ... Wasn't the extermination of Taliban the very first thing that USA and her allies wanted ?
“While the international community’s prospects in Afghanistan have never been bleaker, the Taliban has been experiencing a renaissance that has gained momentum since 2005,” ICOS said. The presence of the Islamist group in Afghanistan has increased from 54 to 72 percent over the past year, according to the report.
Taliban Control 72% of Afghanistan; Surround Kabul, Group Says - Bloomberg
Ask yourself , Does Karzai has any real control outside his presidential palace let alone Kabul ?
Can anyone move freely inside Afghanistan ? Is the law and order situation any better / getting better ? Is ANA capable of fighting insurgents without NATO help ?
What are those objectives which have been achieved ? And if you are one of those naive people who think that the real aim was to kill OBL then give me a break ! No country spends trillions and derail their economy just to nab a person ... What has changed since OBL's death even ? Situation getting any better ? 100's are ready to take place of him ... So tomorrow will the US again come to kill the new Al Qaeda leader ?
and about supplies ... Only a person who has absolutely no idea of the logistics would say that they aren't a issue ... Over 40 % of supplies are routed through Pakistan ... Imagine the limitation to the extent of operations that NATO can undertake in Afghanistan at the moment ... Its the biggest issue that NATO faces now ... Russia is blackmailing the US and NDN will not be operational after 2014 ... Will it be ?
Let me get you in on a secret .... even Russians dont like Muslim fundamentalism and find the present mess in Afghanistan to their advantage for two reasons (i) Its payback to NATO and US for their intervention only this time they dont need to arm the Talibs, they just have to laugh their heads off (ii)
Agreed !
As long as NATO and US forces operate there, the Talibs and other good guys of Islamic Jehad Inc dont have time to divert trained cadres or train cadres for Chechnya which I must tell as another secret is a Muslim province having an active insurgency with terror strikes a regular feature in Dagestan and Ingushetia
The insurgency in Chencnya and Dagestan and other Russian territories has lost its momentum years ago ... Did i just enlighten you ?
If not , then tell me of any attack that has occurred in these areas since 2009 ... The only reason Russia is supporting USA at the moment is that they dont want Taliban back in power but the Northern Alliance ...
And if you think that Al Qaeda cant operate in multiple countries simultaneously , then forget it ... Aren't they still active in Iraq , several African and Arab countries and Yemen even now ? So does the war in Afghanistan has any impact on their operations around the globe ?
.... surprise why Russia is just letting US be there? Also the Russians are allowing movement of material and logistics through CARS for US and NATO and the ABM issue is just an attempt to wrangle a concession from them as part of payment
Where did i say that Russia isn't letting US pass supplies through CARS ? Yes , the ABM is critical to Russia because it will seriously undermine its efforts to have a credible nuclear capability against USA / NATO and with the recent blockade by Pakistan over supplies ... They now have a bargaining chip for the European missile defense shield ...
When the international community calls pakistan .. its not out of fear, its a matter of convenience .... a cooperative Pakistan is better than one which will further foment trouble .... its not out of recognition of Pakistan as a peacemaker that all call them, its out of it being a rogue which will undermine peace efforts that you are called. You think that is something to be proud of and something that denotes respect for you? Its more like the irritating kid who needs to be handelled to ensure he does not spoil the mood of the household.
Yes , its not out of fear ... Its due to the influence and the strategic importance of Pakistan that they call and ask for co-operation ... We need no one to recognize us as a peace maker , because actions speak louder than words ... We have sacrificed over 35 000 civilians and troops in this war and dont need a certificate for anything ... What can Pakistan do if the Afghans were fighting over for the last 200 years long before Pakistan existed and continue to do so ? ... Is that our fault too ?
... Almost all goods are provided to Afghanistan through Pakistan ( and that includes everything from fuel to food ) so unless West normalizes its relationship with Iran or CAR , there's no future for Afghanistan without Pakistan ... We have sheltered 30 million thankless Afghans who brought with them drugs , weapons and extremist ideology and those who are very happy on the killing of our soldiers ... If India is so much concerned , then open the borders and keep them
... And i see you have suddenly changed your stance from " who cares about Pakistan " to " Pakistan's a rogue country and thats why everyone needs it " ... Try to stick to your arguments ... Unless Pakistan helps the West , they cant negotiate with Taliban and therefore the future of Afghanistan will be bleak ...
The West is expecting Afghanistan to descend into civil war after NATO troops leave, according to secret military documents.
Although governments say publicly that they hope to stabilise the war-torn country's democracy, the leaked memos suggest that they are preparing for the worst.
Intelligence documents drawn up by the U.S. and German military state: 'When the ISAF troops leave the country, there will be civil war.
Afghanistan will collapse into civil war when western troops fall out, according to leaked intelligence documents
No one can change the misfortune of Afghanistan of having Pakistan as a neighbour ... a neighbour who undermines all efforts at peace ..... Like you said Denial more isnt good for anyone, so better accept that as a fact
Thats exactly the same thing we think about our Eastern neighbor so hey the feeling's mutual ...
The same unfortunate neighbor has done more for Afghans than some people in denial mode can even think ...
