American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[VCheng]

bhai sahab, the soldeirs were sleeping, when they were killed.

I never said the soldiers who were killed fired first. This is exactly why the FACTS need to be established first.

 

[K-Xeroid]

We need to react solidly now otherwise things will carry on..........

 

[Jango]

do you know what? the conversation during the shooting will be very revealing and shocking. I hope it is leaked before it is erased.
I am aware of a customary return fire. Pakistanis normally fire ahead of the helicopter path with tracers showing them that they are intruding and the NATO helis do a customary one or 2 short bursts in the air saying yea we hear you and fly back

but here it seems they must have made many passes and fired a salvo of rockets and their autocanons to actually take out the check post.


I am once again highlighting the need for the flight path / fight log which will tell us what was their initial mission, did they come here planned? did they deviate? how much? and what was their conversation with their command while engaging.

our check posts are clearly marked and their information given to the NATO and they have Pakistani flags too so its impossible that they can miss all this.

what a waste of life of the soldier. killed by a supposed "ally" that’s what really hurts. if it was an attack by taliban it wouldn’t have hurt that much. Indeed the loss of life in either case is saddening but it worse when its done by someone who you are helping out.

It was not check post respected mod. It was a Company Headquarter. According to officials, numerous meetings between ISAF and Pak Army were held at that point.

The helicopter logs, data recorders, flight logs, voice recorders etc will be interesting.

 

[Always Neutral]

Yeah, most probably.

But I still fail to comprehend how did they make such a blunder. A heli pilot in my family as well, and after a conversation with him, I find it difficult that they mistook the place. Criminal negligence I must say.

Than what would you say about this incident

BBC News - Pakistan army shell kills troops in battle with Taliban

At least 13 Pakistani soldiers have been killed by one of their own mortar shells during a battle with Taliban militants in the north-west

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistan MUST demand NATO & UNO for handing over those murderers & the thugs who send them & start trial in Pakistan. Pakistan Army will loose support of Awam if it repeat same old drama of cutting supply for just a week & apology & some bribe comes & than every thing normal again.

25 is huge huge number, if PA & govt do nothing than media & awam must join hand & come on streets. This is intolerable.

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistan MUST demand NATO & UNO for handing over those murderers & the thugs who send them & start trial in Pakistan. Pakistan Army will loose support of Awam if it repeat same old drama of cutting supply for just a week & apology & some bribe comes & than every thing normal again.

25 is huge huge number, if PA & govt do nothing than media & awam must join hand & come on streets. This is intolerable.

 

[Jango]

There could be many reasons, Don't forget that the PA bombed their own troops and killed 13 in the heat of action sometime back. We do not know the circumstances yet.

Maybe this was a new location of the PA whose position was wrongly reported by the spotters?

Its happened before and may happen again.

It was not a new post. it was a pretty old post there. Things like these did not happen before, this was prolonged firing.

 

[Dance]

Pakistan: NATO Attack Killed 24 Soldiers​

A predawn attack by North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces Saturday killed at least 24 Pakistani soldiers and injured 13 others, the Pakistani military said, adding further stress to the U.S.'s troubled relationship with Pakistan and complicating efforts to push forward peace talks with the Taliban.

Pakistan's army reacted angrily, calling the "unprovoked" raid on two Pakistani border posts an "irresponsible act." The army said NATO helicopters and fighter aircraft, under the cover of darkness, had bombed the posts in Mohmand tribal region, a lawless border area that which abuts Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province.

"Pakistan's sovereignty was attacked early this morning," said Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. "This is our Pakistan and we have to defend it."

In retaliation, Pakistan's security forces began to turn back scores of Pakistani-owned trucks that carry NATO supplies into Afghanistan.



The U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan said it was looking into the latest Pakistani claim. The incident took place hours after Gen. John R. Allen, the coalition commander, met with government officials and army officers in Pakistan to discuss border issues.

"This incident has my highest personal attention and my commitment to thoroughly investigate it to determine the facts," said Gen. Allen. "My most sincere and personal heartfelt condolences go out to the families and loved ones of any members of Pakistan Security Forces who may have been killed or injured."

The U.S. claims Pakistan, while waging a three-year-old war against militants in the tribal regions, has continued to shelter some factions of the Taliban as a way to maintain influence inside Afghanistan after most international troops leave in 2014. U.S. military officials say NATO troops have repeatedly come under attack from Taliban forces based over the border and have urged Pakistan to do more about militants in its tribal regions.

But President Barack Obama's administration is also nudging Pakistan to use its influence over the Taliban, which Pakistan's military helped create in the 1990s, to bring them to the negotiating table to end the 10-year war in Afghanistan. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton brought this dual message to Pakistan during a visit to Islamabad, the capital, in October, asking for stepped-up military action on Pakistan's side of the border but promising to keep Pakistan fully abreast of developments in Afghanistan, including nascent peace talks.

Pakistan's army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, faced with growing anti-U.S. sentiment, deepened by incidents like the one on Saturday, faces limited room to accede to any U.S. demands at the moment, said Talat Masood, a retired general and defense analyst.

"Those who have been more moderate, even those people are asking is it worth having a relationship with the U.S.," Mr. Masood said. "It will be very difficult for Gen. Kayani to defend the alliance."

Mr. Masood said he had taped a television chat show Saturday after the attack on the border posts during which he was the only participant arguing the U.S. wouldn't have targeted Pakistani soldiers in Mohmand as a deliberate act of aggression.

Western diplomats in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, said Saturday the raid is likely to hurt efforts to get Pakistan to play a significant role in forging peace talks, which are expected to take center stage at an international conference on Afghanistan to be held in Bonn, Germany, next month.



U.S. and Afghan officials say Pakistan continues to hold sway over the Taliban group controlled by Mullah Mohammed Omar, believed to be based in the western Pakistani city of Quetta, and the Haqqani faction, which shelters in North Waziristan, a Pakistani tribal region on the Afghan border. Pakistan denies this and blames the U.S.'s war in Afghanistan for sparking a war on its side of the border in which more than 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have died.

Few observers, though, expect a complete breakdown in relations. Pakistan might close its borders for a few days, temporarily hurting NATO's supply chain, but the country will continue to rely on billions of dollars in military and civilian aid from the U.S. Washington, likewise, needs Pakistan to keep up pressure on Taliban militants in the tribal region, and as a supply route, as it tries to work out an exit strategy from Afghanistan.

"This is a need-based relationship. It will have its temporary hiccup, probably in the form of the suspension of NATO cargo," said Imtiaz Gul, director of the Center for Research and Security Studies, an Islamabad-based think-tank.

In September 2010, a NATO helicopter attack on a Pakistani border post in the tribal regions killed two soldiers. Pakistan closed traffic for NATO convoys for a few days but later reopened the route. The U.S., wary of its part-time ally, begun moving more supplies for Afghanistan through Central Asia. The Pakistan land route, from the port city of Karachi across country to two major borders with Afghanistan, still accounts for roughly half of NATO supplies coming in to Afghanistan.

Since that incident, which blew over, the U.S.-Pakistan relationship has deteriorated. Pakistan' army was embarrassed and angered by the covert raid by U.S. Navy SEALs in May that killed Osama bin Laden in a Pakistani army garrison town. That came after a Central Intelligence Agency contractor shot dead two armed men in Lahore in January and was briefly jailed.

Just last week, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. was forced to resign amid allegations he had sought Washington's help to reduce the power of Pakistan's army, which plays a large role in domestic politics.

Pakistan's army, in response to growing anti-U.S. feeling, has began to more forcibly challenge the U.S. in public, including attacking Washington's policy of stepped-up unmanned drone strikes against Taliban targets in the tribal regions.

Pakistan: NATO Attack Killed 24 Soldiers - WSJ.com

 

[Always Neutral]

It was not check post respected mod. It was a Company Headquarter. According to officials, numerous meetings between ISAF and Pak Army were held at that point.

The helicopter logs, data recorders, flight logs, voice recorders etc will be interesting.

If what you say is true than ISPR must immediately release these details and it will be very hard for the NATO to refute, till than stop speculating.

 

[pakdefender]

Pakistan's salvation is in confronting the enemy forces openly with public backing and also to block the enemy's life lines which shockingly runs thorough our own territory.

There is a very serious and urgent need of re-alignment in terms of the co-operation between Pakistan and the killers under the guise of ISAF/NATO/USA.

 

[Jango]

Than what would you say about this incident

BBC News - Pakistan army shell kills troops in battle with Taliban

At least 13 Pakistani soldiers have been killed by one of their own mortar shells during a battle with Taliban militants in the north-west

Yeah so. This was also criminal negligence, and action had been taken , and the culprits were brought to justice. And that was within the warzone, a limited theater.

This was a violation of borders, and shelling of a Company Headquarter.

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If what you say is true than ISPR must immediately release these details and it will be very hard for the NATO to refute, till than stop speculating.

What should ISPR release.

It is an established fact that meetings took place there, although not of the top level, but meetings between local CO's and officers did take place.

I am not speculating anything.

And the post was not new. Again, an established fact. And it was a Company HeadQuarter, and the company was instrumental to flushing the terrorists out of that area.

 

[rohailmalhi]

Inaniallah hay wainallahay rajioon................. may the souls of departed rest in Peace.Ameen

What are our ******* generals doing , licking the balls of Americans........and they are killing our soldiers and what are we doing. Stoping their supplies for 1 day or 2 .....................What the fish is going is this ,r are slaves or what.

We claim to be a free nation and hence our sovereignty is challenged every once in a while ,and these decision makers seem not worried about that.

Send a slear message to NATO troops , u f++k with us we will f++k u upside down , kill our soldiers and we will kill urs in return ,Do it once just once and see these drones attack stopped , and these once in while attack on our soldiers .When are we going to make a stand .......................................

I will pray that the kids of some decision makers get killed by Nato and i will see how will they respond to it.

 

[pakdefender]

Basically it has come down to now or never , if we dont confront them now , slowly we'll be driven into the ground and they'll happily pull an Iraq , afghanistan or libya type attack against us and justfy it in their own perverted way.

 

[American Pakistani]

 

[Awesome]

Karzai condemns NATO airstrike - TwinCities.com

Notice that Nato bombed Afghan children yesterday.

Gen John Allen is the one who needs to be investigated. His sadistic techniques went unnoticed until much later in the Iraq war for which he got promoted in the US military.