America Is Headed to a Showdown Over Taiwan, and China Might Win

[Jobless Jack]

They better be careful what they wish for. If China takes over all Russian land east of Ural and Mongolia, China will be world's biggest country by area and China will be far bigger threat to the US than China is today.

I never said china and russia will fight.

Read again what i said.

China will never take on NATO without russian support. Makes zero sense for china to fight russia

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I never said china and russia will fight.

Read again what i said.

China will never take on NATO without russian support. Makes zero sense for china to fight russia

China don't need to take on NATO. China only has to take on the US in Taiwan strait. No other NATO country will never fight China.

 

[Jobless Jack]

China don't need to take on NATO. China only has to take on the US in Taiwan strait. No other NATO country will never fight China.

Sure if you say so.

But any war with usa will not be limited to taiwan straight. It will go global. So NATo becomes involves.

I could be wrong though

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Sure if you say so.

But any war with usa will not be limited to taiwan straight. It will go global. So NATo becomes involves.

I could be wrong though

Hawaii and Guam will be targeted, maybe also the US mainland by coronavirus warhead cruise missiles launched by bombers. But NATO won't get involved because it is US China internal matter. NATO is a defense treaty, not an offense treaty. If US starts the war, then US cannot invoke NATO.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Hawaii and Guam will be targeted, maybe also the US mainland by coronavirus warhead cruise missiles launched by bombers. But NATO won't get involved because it is US China internal matter. NATO is a defense treaty, not an offense treaty. If US starts the war, then US cannot invoke NATO.

BINGO! and that is why the USA constantly tries to PROVOKE CHINA into attacking.

 

[Jobless Jack]

Hawaii and Guam will be targeted, maybe also the US mainland by coronavirus warhead cruise missiles launched by bombers. But NATO won't get involved because it is US China internal matter. NATO is a defense treaty, not an offense treaty. If US starts the war, then US cannot invoke NATO.

Yes

But USA can always make it look like china is the agressor.. Therefore invoke NATO

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yes

But USA can always make it look like china is the agressor.. Therefore invoke NATO

Only if China attacks the US. If the US fights on Taiwan's side then it's fair game and US cannot invoke NATO. Russia was not able to protect Artsakh when Azerbaijan invaded Artsakh despite defense treaty with Armenia which protects Artsakh.

 

[FuturePAF]

Only if China attacks the US. If the US fights on Taiwan's side then it's fair game and US cannot invoke NATO. Russia was not able to protect Artsakh when Azerbaijan invaded Artsakh despite defense treaty with Armenia which protects Artsakh.

If American forces are near or on Taiwan and they are caught in the cross fire, the US will be able to invoke article 5. It’s not about legalities, but if the other nato nations will honor article 5. These other nations need the US to take on Russia, so they will help out of not militarily at first, then surely economically and politically.

China 2025 and the data/IP wars will be where Taiwan will be won or lost. The investor class in the US knows it and that’s what worries them.
China knows the quad is not something really to worry about

 

[shanlung]

If the US really wanted to take China out the US could have forced China to surrender without a fight in 1949 when the US had nukes. That ship has sailed. Now China has hypersonic missiles too.

The National Interest: Blog

nationalinterest.org

China hypersonics are operational, and operational for a couple of years or more.


Murica now hoping and trying to test hypersonics only.
About 5 to 6 years behind China.

And by the time Murica got their hypersonics, China will be 5 to 6 years ahead of Murica.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Coronamerica can't afford to fight China. The number of Coronamericans killed in Taiwan strait be 10 times as many as the number of Coronamericans killed by coronavirus.

 

[LeGenD]

China hypersonics are operational, and operational for a couple of years or more.


Murica now hoping and trying to test hypersonics only.
About 5 to 6 years behind China.

And by the time Murica got their hypersonics, China will be 5 to 6 years ahead of Murica.

Americans successfully tested Hypersonic technologies in 2009.

HTV-2 exceeded MACH 20 in sheer speed in endo- atmospheric conditions. Imagine this.

As for weaponized hypersonics:

Document Likely Shows SM-6 Hypersonic Speed, Anti-Surface Role | Aviation Week Network

The terse reference in a written submission by Navy officials to the House Armed Services Committee on March 11 also likely offers the first proof that the SM-6 Block 1B remains in development.

aviationweek.com

Even the original (older) variant of this missile have intercepted purposefully-built maneuverable warheads in live-intercepts. Block 1B is a big leap in comparison. Anybody smart will have understood what this entails.

It would be a fatal mistake to underestimate Americans in arms race and developing technologies in general. Try to be humble and research things.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

There are limitations to hypersonics. While it is fast, it is virtually impossible to guide them against moving targets to due plasma. They are good against static targets, that's about it. That's why aircraft carriers and strategic bombers are still valuable.

 

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Americans successfully tested Hypersonic technologies in 2009.

HTV-2 exceeded MACH 20 in sheer speed in endo- atmospheric conditions. Imagine this.

As for weaponized hypersonics:

Document Likely Shows SM-6 Hypersonic Speed, Anti-Surface Role | Aviation Week Network

The terse reference in a written submission by Navy officials to the House Armed Services Committee on March 11 also likely offers the first proof that the SM-6 Block 1B remains in development.

aviationweek.com

Even the original (older) variant of this missile have intercepted purposefully-built maneuverable warheads in live-intercepts. Block 1B is a big leap in comparison. Anybody smart will have understood what this entails.

It would be a fatal mistake to underestimate Americans in arms race and developing technologies in general. Try to be humble and research things.

If it worked they would have deployed by now.

There are limitations to hypersonics. While it is fast, it is virtually impossible to guide them against moving targets to due plasma. They are good against static targets, that's about it. That's why aircraft carriers and strategic bombers are still valuable.

Useful for destroying missile defense sites.

 

[shanlung]

Americans successfully tested Hypersonic technologies in 2009.

HTV-2 exceeded MACH 20 in sheer speed in endo- atmospheric conditions. Imagine this.

As for weaponized hypersonics:

Document Likely Shows SM-6 Hypersonic Speed, Anti-Surface Role | Aviation Week Network

The terse reference in a written submission by Navy officials to the House Armed Services Committee on March 11 also likely offers the first proof that the SM-6 Block 1B remains in development.

aviationweek.com

Even the original (older) variant of this missile have intercepted purposefully-built maneuverable warheads in live-intercepts. Block 1B is a big leap in comparison. Anybody smart will have understood what this entails.

It would be a fatal mistake to underestimate Americans in arms race and developing technologies in general. Try to be humble and research things.

Operational in China , by the dozens if not by the hundreds

Murica started working on the railgun first.
And still testing or given up testing

China was second behind Murica.
But China now installing railgun on ship and to install on their other ships

Murica been having carriers for donkey decades and talking of EMALS for years.
Seems that Murican even thinking of going back to steam power as they having fiascos with EMALS

USS Gerald Ford EMALS Launching System Suffers Fault During Testing Period - USNI News

USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78) returned to port Sunday after its latest at-sea testing period with mixed results. While the carrier operated with the most complex air wing to date, the ship’s Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) suffered a failure that prevented the carrier from launching...

news.usni.org

More likely than not it will be China that be having the first successfully operational EMALS systems

New Images Of China’s Elusive Catapult-Capable J-15T Carrier Fighter Emerge

Featuring beefed-up landing gear and indigenous engines, the J-15T should lead to a production fighter for China’s future supercarrier.

www.thedrive.com

*WANG SUI WANG WANG SUI 萬歲 萬 萬歲*

 

[LeGenD]

If it worked they would have deployed by now.

The statement that I chose to address is this: "Murica now hoping and trying to test hypersonics only."

That is absolutely wrong. Americans have experimented with hypersonic technologies in the FIRST decade of this century, let alone in the present. They are looking forward to a much broader and sophisticated implementation of these technologies with both military and commercial applications.

Chinese have deployed DF-17 hypersonic munition and Americans have deployed SM-6 Block 1B multi-role hypersonic munition in response.

SM-6 class is multi-role capable by default:

"The missile can shoot down air-breathing threats like aircraft and cruise missiles, it can swat incoming ballistic missiles in the terminal phases of flight, it can attack sea targets, and it even has a latent land attack potential." - Tyler Rogoway

One should be aware of how things are moving forward across all fronts.