America came in with a bang , going out with a whimper ?

[fatman17]

Taliban Claim NATO 'Defeat' in 13-year Afghan War
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE 5:16 p.m. EST December 29, 2014

An Afghan soldier walks Dec. 11on a rural road at sunrise. (Photo: Roberto Schmidt / AFP)


KABUL – The Taliban responded scornfully Monday to the formal end of NATO's war in Afghanistan, describing the US-led mission as a "fire of barbarism and cruelty" that had drowned the country "in a pool of blood."

The insurgent group issued the statement in English a day after NATO marked the closure of its combat mission with a low-key ceremony in Kabul, arranged in secret due to the threat of Taliban attack.

"We consider this step a clear indication of their defeat and disappointment," the Taliban said.
"America, its invading allies ... along with all international arrogant organizations have been handed a clear-cut defeat in this lopsided war."

The Taliban, who ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, have fought a resilient insurgency against NATO and Afghan forces for 13 years, with violence now at record levels nationwide.

The United Nations said civilian casualties hit a new high this year with about 10,000 non-combatants killed or wounded — 75 percent of them by the Taliban.

On Jan. 1, NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) combat mission will be replaced by a "training and support" mission.

About 12,500 NATO troops will stay on in Afghanistan.

The Taliban statement said the group would fight on "for the establishment of a pure Islamic system by expelling the remaining invading forces unconditionally."

President Ashraf Ghani has said he is open to peace talks, but the Taliban said it would "continue its Jihad and struggle so long as a single foreigner remains in Afghanistan in a military uniform."

 

[Jayanta]

Its Vietnam repeat. Nothing new at all. Americans are very good and consistent at repeating mistakes

I don't think its a Vietnam repeat....no Vietnamese went to USA and blew themselves up go get a space in heaven and his share of S** with you know the 8x9=? angels or whatever. And the Americans lost far more soldiers in Vietnam....it was really bad. In Afghanistan they did a little better.

 

[Selous]

How do you measure Success or to some extend, failure? In a war?

From a long time ago, war does not just serve a single objective, thats why we have strategic and tactical objective in any giving war

So when you look at a certain aspect, yeah, while it is true that something seems dont change and its look a lot like a failure.

Indeed the afghanistan government is still weak even after 14 years of occupation, but thats the afghanistani own provision isnt it. No matter how hard American tried, there are no way they can protect and strengthen a country beside telling them what to do and helping them on the way, but when it come to the end of a day. you still need that country (afghanistan) to take initiative to take charge on their own country simply unless US wants to annex afghanistan and l them as in their 51st state, they are the people for their government, not the American.

In the end of the day, this war belong to another category, thats "Have to do" category.

Now ask yourselves this did afghanistan and pakistan better off living with Taliban controlling afghanistan? If you answer is no then, the US war in afghanistan would be a.success. Cos someone need to make initative, in this case the US does it

Read history and you will find out the meaning of victory...it is only americans who have these ambiguous "victories" where the rest of world knows you were defeated but you somehow think that you won. If you have to define what victory is or you have to say things like "how do you measure success" then you have not been victorious.

but thats the afghanistani own provision isnt it.

Why should Afghanistan be responsible for a government propped up by invaders who destroyed the previous government.

No matter how hard American tried, there are no way they can protect and strengthen a country beside telling them what to do and helping them on the way, but when it come to the end of a day. you still need that country (afghanistan) to take initiative to take charge on their own country

Spare us these pithy platitudes.

In the end of the day, this war belong to another category, thats "Have to do" category.

What ? Do not try to justify injustice with false premises.
God bless the resistance!

 

[black-hawk_101]

I think that US and NATO should have given them more equipment to take on better with the Terrorists but I don't think so they have given them proper equipment.

 

[MastanKhan]

How do you measure Success or to some extend, failure? In a war?

From a long time ago, war does not just serve a single objective, thats why we have strategic and tactical objective in any giving war

So when you look at a certain aspect, yeah, while it is true that something seems dont change and its look a lot like a failure.

Indeed the afghanistan government is still weak even after 14 years of occupation, but thats the afghanistani own provision isnt it. No matter how hard American tried, there are no way they can protect and strengthen a country beside telling them what to do and helping them on the way, but when it come to the end of a day. you still need that country (afghanistan) to take initiative to take charge on their own country simply unless US wants to annex afghanistan and l them as in their 51st state, they are the people for their government, not the American.

In the end of the day, this war belong to another category, thats "Have to do" category.

Now ask yourselves this did afghanistan and pakistan better off living with Taliban controlling afghanistan? If you answer is no then, the US war in afghanistan would be a.success. Cos someone need to make initative, in this case the US does it

Senor,

I wish you had not commented on it.

You gave poor excuses for absolute incompetent nincompoops---. And your post did not go over anyone's head----they were flabbergasted by the absurdity of the content---.

There is no war that comes in a 'have to do category' where you end up leaving with your tail between your legs and hoping the world history books will forget that part where you failed.

 

[ghoul]

War was lost at Dasht-e-Lilli massacre by US Special Forces and their Northern Alliance allies.

Dasht-e-lelli massacre was a "blood for blood" revenge for the mazar-e-sharif massacre. During the mazar-e-sharif massacre, Taliban buried hazara and uzbeks in the same desert after suffocating them in containers.

And the worst victim of this wouldn't be the USA or Afghanistan, but it would be Pakistan. We would have thousands of refugees trying to enter our country, for which they have only hatred. Need of the hour is to make a great wall of Pakistan on the western border, and in case there's an opposition by the locals of KPK and FATA, then make a great wall on Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan border.

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't think its a Vietnam repeat....no Vietnamese went to USA and blew themselves up go get a space in heaven and his share of S** with you know the 8x9=? angels or whatever. And the Americans lost far more soldiers in Vietnam....it was really bad. In Afghanistan they did a little better.

Hi,

Actually there are a tremendous number of wounded u s soldiers-----majority of those wounded would have died if they would have been given the same medical treatment as in Vietnam.

Also the afghans did not have an air force and no missies or the war would have been very different.

 

[rockstar08]

don't worry Americans there are many countries left
i hope you can win this time

anyway , US achieved nothing from Afghanistan , dropping millions of dollar bombs on mountains and cave ... and now taliban will celebrate their new year with US left over