America abandoned India in Afghanistan?

[gulli]

India made mistake, they thought Trump remains in power and they will convince him to provide security to Indians in Afghanistan. Indian should have pulled before US pulled for the safety of their workforce. Plus, if you remember, Trump taunt Modi ... I need your forces, I don't need your library in Kabul

Good luck if you feel India don't have backup plan for any kind of situation in Afghanistan. We don't indulge in premature celebrations...

 

[HAIDER]

Good luck if you feel India don't have backup plan for any kind of situation in Afghanistan. We don't indulge in premature celebrations...

The only backup plan, India is reaching out GCC nations for the security of their interest in Afghanistan. Indian envoy found in KSA, UAE, and then Qatar to force Taliban not touch their interest.

 

[PakFactor]

Looking at the relatively lukewarm responses to the Taliban victories, I tend to believe Americans have resigned themselves to a major Taliban role in Afghanistan. Indians were always expendable. Until the Indian lobby in America becomes strong like Israel's lobby, India's main utility to Washington was that India is a big market and a good 'partner' to contain China. But the 'Law of Diminishing Returns' have their own ways.

BUT... it is still too early to saw what will Washington do after a few weeks/months as it re-assess developments in Afghanistan. So Tick Tock...

I just hope that a political solution is found where the Talibans are given control of much of the southern portions of Afghanistan to provide a buffer for Pakistan against the Indian machinations while the northern part of Afghanistan be retained with those who don't want to be ruled by the Talibans. A bifurcation of the country. And why not? Biden himself just said that 'Afghanistan has never been a united country'

You try explaining this to the Indians you will get a lukewarm response along the lines:

- We are a regional power
- Soft power through spicy food and Bollywood
- We have a big economy
- We are a market of 1B+ people
- Your just jealous you have a weak economy
- West considers India more important than you
- It's ok we will become cannon fodder we have rich history over 1000+ years being ruled by others

Often times one ponders how these Indians' revolve things around money and miss out on the bigger picture.

I don't mind if they join Quad and fight China, as it'll create another front on their border. Let those two fight and kill themselves for all I care at this point.

 

[Meengla]

Edit: Merged thread, so that's why you'll see this weird explanation lol

Here's an interesting conversation, it follows up on the article written by the General quite recently.

People who like to read history, especially Afghanistan and Pashtoons would find some interesting facts in the interview. Furthermore, the General talks about Taliban takeover, its effect on Pakistan, our own fight against extremism, CPEC, Americans and also Americans abandoning Indians in Afghanistan.

General Tariq Khan's interview is one of the best coming out of Pakistan on geopolitical matters and that too in English language--a rare combination--a shameful rarity though, actually, given the availability of English language in Pakistan. India is far ahead in that area and part of that is English is really needed in India to communicate between different ethnic groups. But still the Pakistani discourse mostly confined to Urdu language is essentially an echo-chamber! What good will it serve to Pakistan if Pakistan's narrative is NOT going to be presented to the world??? So I welcome the interview not only for its great content but also for the medium being used!

Speaking of the interview, here are some quick take aways:
1) The action by the Pakistani Army against the terrorist elements in Pakistan's tribal areas was Pakistan's 'own war on terror' and was really needed because those elements were targeting not only inside Pakistan but also in foreign countries. So much so for Imran Khan's opportunism about 'our own people' and 'fighting others war' blah blah!! General Tariq put his life on the line for Pakistan in that most difficult operation and I trust his opinion more than those of politicians.
2) The Durand Line was negotiated NOT under any duress by Afghanistan and was a settled issue. However, if the Afghans insist on uniting the Pashtuns then be aware that the Durand Line could be pushed WESTWARDS because more than twice the Pashtuns live on the Pakistani side of the Line!!
3) Pakistan SHOULD work with Americans to invite them to be part of the projects linking the region. Pakistan should not put all its eggs in one basket--the Chinese basket--and convince Americans that Pakistan is ready to be a partner in trade and connectivity. The General thinks American companies like Helliburton could give the Chinese tough time in investment. He even said let the Americans build a port of their own in Pakistan! He said the potential for trade through Pakistan is more than ALL of the Indian ports combined!
4) He is saying that IF the Americans want to fly over the Pakistani airspace to bomb inside Afghanistan then Pakistan wouldn't be able to do anything about that! The anchor pointed to Iran defying America on that but the General doesn't want to give some embarrassing answer. It is a different matter, however, that flying from the Arabian Sea to bomb is really not an option for Americans. In that regard, the General is saying that Russia wouldn't allow the Central Asian countries to host American troops. And of course Pakistan wouldn't--and shouldn't either!
5) As others also said in this thread, Afghanistan has been conquered several times before and it's just that it was not worth keeping the damned place. Yes, it is a 'Graveyard of Empire's but the operative word here is 'Graveyard'.
6) It was not some 'Iman' (Faith) which enabled the Mujahideen to beat the Soviets. According to the General, it was the CIA supplied Stinger Missiles which made perhaps the most critical difference in the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Had they had the kind of Iman, then they would not have slaughtered each other and innocent civilians for power right after the Soviets left.

Anyway, the interview is perhaps a seminal work and leaves much food for thought. Sure, it is opinion of just one retired military person but he seems to have comprehensive knowledge of the history and the current dynamics of the region. Well worth watching again and again and pondering.

Thanks for the share!

 

[Xestan]

General Tariq Khan's interview is one of the best coming out of Pakistan on geopolitical matters and that too in English language--a rare combination--a shameful rarity though, actually, given the availability of English language in Pakistan. India is far ahead in that area and part of that is English is really needed in India to communicate between different ethnic groups. But still the Pakistani discourse mostly confined to Urdu language is essentially an echo-chamber! What good will it serve to Pakistan if Pakistan's narrative is NOT going to be presented to the world??? So I welcome the interview not only for its great content but also for the medium being used!

Speaking of the interview, here are some quick take aways:
1) The action by the Pakistani Army against the terrorist elements in Pakistan's tribal areas was Pakistan's 'own war on terror' and was really needed because those elements were targeting not only inside Pakistan but also in foreign countries. So much so for Imran Khan's opportunism about 'our own people' and 'fighting others war' blah blah!! General Tariq put his life on the line for Pakistan in that most difficult operation and I trust his opinion more than those of politicians.
2) The Durand Line was negotiated NOT under any duress by Afghanistan and was a settled issue. However, if the Afghans insist on uniting the Pashtuns then be aware that the Durand Line could be pushed WESTWARDS because more than twice the Pashtuns live on the Pakistani side of the Line!!
3) Pakistan SHOULD work with Americans to invite them to be part of the projects linking the region. Pakistan should not put all its eggs in one basket--the Chinese basket--and convince Americans that Pakistan is ready to be a partner in trade and connectivity. The General thinks American companies like Helliburton could give the Chinese tough time in investment. He even said let the Americans build a port of their own in Pakistan! He said the potential for trade through Pakistan is more than ALL of the Indian ports combined!
4) He is saying that IF the Americans want to fly over the Pakistani airspace to bomb inside Afghanistan then Pakistan wouldn't be able to do anything about that! The anchor pointed to Iran defying America on that but the General doesn't want to give some embarrassing answer. It is a different matter, however, that flying from the Arabian Sea to bomb is really not an option for Americans. In that regard, the General is saying that Russia wouldn't allow the Central Asian countries to host American troops. And of course Pakistan wouldn't--and shouldn't either!
5) As others also said in this thread, Afghanistan has been conquered several times before and it's just that it was not worth keeping the damned place. Yes, it is a 'Graveyard of Empire's but the operative word here is 'Graveyard'.
6) It was not some 'Iman' (Faith) which enabled the Mujahideen to beat the Soviets. According to the General, it was the CIA supplied Stinger Missiles which made perhaps the most critical difference in the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Had they had the kind of Iman, then they would not have slaughtered each other and innocent civilians for power right after the Soviets left.

Anyway, the interview is perhaps a seminal work and leaves much food for thought. Sure, it is opinion of just one retired military person but he seems to have comprehensive knowledge of the history and the current dynamics of the region. Well worth watching again and again and pondering.

Thanks for the share!

Thanks for the summarising the whole talk. I was too lazy to do it.

General is a war hero and a living legend. One might disagree with him on a certain things but his clarity on the issue is far better than what ISPR-approved Generals on tv keep saying everyday. We need more strategic thinkers like him in GHQ, unfortunately the likes of him are rare to find.

 

[PradoTLC]

General Tariq Khan's interview is one of the best coming out of Pakistan on geopolitical matters and that too in English language--a rare combination--a shameful rarity though, actually, given the availability of English language in Pakistan. India is far ahead in that area and part of that is English is really needed in India to communicate between different ethnic groups. But still the Pakistani discourse mostly confined to Urdu language is essentially an echo-chamber! What good will it serve to Pakistan if Pakistan's narrative is NOT going to be presented to the world??? So I welcome the interview not only for its great content but also for the medium being used!

Speaking of the interview, here are some quick take aways:
1) The action by the Pakistani Army against the terrorist elements in Pakistan's tribal areas was Pakistan's 'own war on terror' and was really needed because those elements were targeting not only inside Pakistan but also in foreign countries. So much so for Imran Khan's opportunism about 'our own people' and 'fighting others war' blah blah!! General Tariq put his life on the line for Pakistan in that most difficult operation and I trust his opinion more than those of politicians.
2) The Durand Line was negotiated NOT under any duress by Afghanistan and was a settled issue. However, if the Afghans insist on uniting the Pashtuns then be aware that the Durand Line could be pushed WESTWARDS because more than twice the Pashtuns live on the Pakistani side of the Line!!
3) Pakistan SHOULD work with Americans to invite them to be part of the projects linking the region. Pakistan should not put all its eggs in one basket--the Chinese basket--and convince Americans that Pakistan is ready to be a partner in trade and connectivity. The General thinks American companies like Helliburton could give the Chinese tough time in investment. He even said let the Americans build a port of their own in Pakistan! He said the potential for trade through Pakistan is more than ALL of the Indian ports combined!
4) He is saying that IF the Americans want to fly over the Pakistani airspace to bomb inside Afghanistan then Pakistan wouldn't be able to do anything about that! The anchor pointed to Iran defying America on that but the General doesn't want to give some embarrassing answer. It is a different matter, however, that flying from the Arabian Sea to bomb is really not an option for Americans. In that regard, the General is saying that Russia wouldn't allow the Central Asian countries to host American troops. And of course Pakistan wouldn't--and shouldn't either!
5) As others also said in this thread, Afghanistan has been conquered several times before and it's just that it was not worth keeping the damned place. Yes, it is a 'Graveyard of Empire's but the operative word here is 'Graveyard'.
6) It was not some 'Iman' (Faith) which enabled the Mujahideen to beat the Soviets. According to the General, it was the CIA supplied Stinger Missiles which made perhaps the most critical difference in the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Had they had the kind of Iman, then they would not have slaughtered each other and innocent civilians for power right after the Soviets left.

Anyway, the interview is perhaps a seminal work and leaves much food for thought. Sure, it is opinion of just one retired military person but he seems to have comprehensive knowledge of the history and the current dynamics of the region. Well worth watching again and again and pondering.

Thanks for the share!

Plus afghans make bad soldiers.

Good luck if you feel India don't have backup plan for any kind of situation in Afghanistan. We don't indulge in premature celebrations...

like you did on 26 Feb 2019?..

the ground reality you actually had no good plan, You sole intention was undermine and conduct terrorism via Afganistan in Pakistan. You never had any real care for the people of Afghanistan. if you did your "social" and "humanitarian" projects should continue post Taliban rule.. but it won't will it?..

even the world class idiots that afghans are know that.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Hopefully the Talib can tie these bum boys up and answer for the killings of Muslims.

 

[Meengla]

the ground reality you actually had no good plan, You sole intention was undermine and conduct terrorism via Afganistan in Pakistan. You never had any real care for the people of Afghanistan. if you did your "social" and "humanitarian" projects should continue post Taliban rule.. but it won't will it?..

even the world class idiots that afghans are know that.

Truer words have never been spoken!
This whole garbage about Indian 'humanitarian aid' to Afghans is just what it should be called--garbage! The sole and main utility of Afghanistan was a platform to keep Pakistan in a two-front war situation and bleed Pakistan. And thanks to Uncle Sam's help, India managed to do that for 20 years!! So India has been successful in Afghanistan to a large extent.

But Indians would gladly fight for the Afghans using the last Afghan. And this Gen. Tariq's interview points toward that: India and Pakistan are enemies and will use any opportunity to inflict pain on each other.

I think Pakistan should go ruthless and hunt down every Indian or Afghan who was involved in acts of terrorism inside Pakistan!! Do it before they manage to leave Afghanistan. These Haramkhors were ruthless in killing tens of thousands of Pakistanis over last so many years. But spare those soldiers or security forces who are just employed ordinary Afghans trying to feed their families. They had not much choice but to earn a living somehow in that wretched country.

 

[AMRAAM]

Gen. Tariq Khan, ex Head Pakistan's Central Command and Frontier Corps that defeated Pakistani Taliban (TTP) in a provocative interview with Dr. Moeed Pirzada (Editor GVS) explains how Washington has abandoned its ally India and its proxy Kabul regime in another shift of US politics. But he busts the myth of Afghan invincibility pointing out how both Sikhs under Maharaja Ranjit Singh and British had repeatedly defeated and humbled the rulers of Kabul. Highly informative discussion. Must watch for students of International Relations, Politics and aspirants of competitive exams like CSS, IAS and PAS.

Always treat to watch Gen Tariq's interviews.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Gen. Tariq Khan, ex Head Pakistan's Central Command and Frontier Corps that defeated Pakistani Taliban (TTP) in a provocative interview with Dr. Moeed Pirzada (Editor GVS) explains how Washington has abandoned its ally India and its proxy Kabul regime in another shift of US politics. But he busts the myth of Afghan invincibility pointing out how both Sikhs under Maharaja Ranjit Singh and British had repeatedly defeated and humbled the rulers of Kabul. Highly informative discussion. Must watch for students of International Relations, Politics and aspirants of competitive exams like CSS, IAS and PAS.

This guy is a national asset and treasure.

 

[NA71]

Good luck if you feel India don't have backup plan for any kind of situation in Afghanistan. We don't indulge in premature celebrations...

What backup plan? just sheer miscalculations and bad planning ...it was written on walls of Afghanistan that the day Americans leave...Indians would be the next....

If you have any backup plans ...keep it for Ladhakh.....

what you are gonna do now... fight with Talebans ...who are currently not leaving even a tree standing on their way ..

 

[PradoTLC]

Truer words have never been spoken!
This whole garbage about Indian 'humanitarian aid' to Afghans is just what it should be called--garbage! The sole and main utility of Afghanistan was a platform to keep Pakistan in a two-front war situation and bleed Pakistan. And thanks to Uncle Sam's help, India managed to do that for 20 years!! So India has been successful in Afghanistan to a large extent.

But Indians would gladly fight for the Afghans using the last Afghan. And this Gen. Tariq's interview points toward that: India and Pakistan are enemies and will use any opportunity to inflict pain on each other.

I think Pakistan should go ruthless and hunt down every Indian or Afghan who was involved in acts of terrorism inside Pakistan!! Do it before they manage to leave Afghanistan. These Haramkhors were ruthless in killing tens of thousands of Pakistanis over last so many years. But spare those soldiers or security forces who are just employed ordinary Afghans trying to feed their families. They had not much choice but to earn a living somehow in that wretched country.

we need to do three things

- close Indian embassy in Islamabad and close the airspace to india bound air traffic
- seal the border at regular intervals
- initiate forced eviction of all Afghans using the Punjab police.

but it won’t happen bcos

- our PM is overly sympathetic to afgans
- our FO and bueauracy is filled clowns interested in promoting their personal agenda ie promotion and silly protocol parties rather than national agenda. Gen. Tariq was spot on this.
- Pakistanis in general less nationalistic then even compared to degenerate Indians

 

[PradoTLC]

India is more important than Pakistan.

And China is more important than India.

 

[StructE]

India is more important than Pakistan. Look at the Quad and G-7 invites as a guest member. It is like arguing about the obvious.

It is hard to be independent if you are going around on a begging bowl to the Saudis, IMF or China

This conversation is in context of Afghanistan, and for sure India is not more important than Pakistan for control of Afghanistan. It was foolish of US to let India sit in Afghanistan and destabilize Pakistan, this resurrected Pakistan's support for Taliban and here we are, leaving this country with no considerable progress. Hack we made more progress in South Vietnam than this, in addition to this fiasco now Pakistan is sitting firmly in Chinese camp.

 

[ziaulislam]

India is more important than Pakistan. Look at the Quad and G-7 invites as a guest member. It is like arguing about the obvious.

It is hard to be independent if you are going around on a begging bowl to the Saudis, IMF or China

Listen to video and literate yourself before commenting

You guys dont even know what afghan stands for...and why there was fighting/objection by uzbeks/minorities about word afghan used for people of aghanistan