Ambitious plan chalked out to merge FATA with Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa

[Kambojaric]

Good news. I am sure PML and PPP won't be too happy as this will increase the size of KPK allocation in parliament, funds etc. I hope the Army firmly tells them there is no other option. The tribal areas should have been integrated a long time ago. I have met some excellent Pakistanis at university from this region who have complained about how their region is essentially stuck in the Mediaeval ages and they want to get rid of the current nizam.

 

[farhan_9909]

FATA cannot be made a seperate province due to its geography.

Khyber agency is more related and connected to Peshawar than Waziristan,Similar waziristan is more related and connected to Bannu and DIK than Mohmand agency.

Kurram agency is more closer to Hangu than Bajaur agency.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I like the idea very much. FATA is Pakistani territory and we need to take ownership. I am amazed it took so long, but better late than never. Time has come to enforce the writ of the state. Our brothers in FATA deserve as much development and prosperity as the rest of Pakistan.

 

[The Eagle]

In Pakistan more province means more chief ministers, more ministers, more protocol cars and duties, more government expenditures!!
This is not for us, not unless our nation and most importantly, our political system matures!!!
@The Sandman @Zibago @Moonlight @Mr.Meap @The Eagle
What do you people say?

Alongwith political system, I would start with different view here.

FATA has more close traditional and cultural relations with the rest of KPK so rather giving it a separate province status, better to keep it the way as KPK.

A separate province must need a base for self reliance and an industry for to bear its own expenditure. A province without no such arrangement and base it like more burden on the Federal Government which also includes as you pointed out and there are much more things than that. FATA has been following a system of Jirga, different tribes and they have more moral values by their long history of such system. Currently, FATA needs reforms, investment and focus to give it a push to rebuild with the help of current Provincial government and Central as well but separating the area that just is liberated would result with same situation that we had. FATA is not much aware with such political system that we have in the main cities so isn't possible that the region may adopt a direct change however, by bring them among the provincial political system will let them to see the system and learn and adopt. The geography of FATA is same as we talk about Peshawar, a bond. Let it be more closer to KPK political government and there will be fruits for the people as well that almost matured Government will be taking care of the area.

I remember once Baba Haider Zaman demanded for Hazara Sooba and I was like, on what basis and for what? just to be self claimed CM and be more burden on Center while dividing the people on ethnic basis more and more then the same goes to MQM etc.

You rightly said as our current political system is no where near mature and is all about to continue the legacy of forefathers once being premier of country or province. We cannot afford more unrest in the area as our political elite can go beyond any limits for their own gain and political benefits and then there will be political chaos like just dealt with one and created another headache.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Dealing with FATA

Legal Reforms

The report stated that the FCR should be renamed the FATA Good Governance Regulation/Act201 and all sections related to collective/vicarious responsibility should omitted, thereby making an individual responsible for his own acts initially in protected areas and gradually the whole of Fata.

It stated that the the jirga system should be retained for both civil and criminal matters, whereby the court will appoint a council of elders to decide factual issues and announce judgments on the basis of riwaj and the prevailing law in force.

Importantly, it was recommended that the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court and the high court be extended to the tribal areas by amending Article 247 and other relevant laws, so that those who want to protect their fundamental rights can do so like any other citizen of Pakistan.

“All stakeholders must maintain clarity over the terms riwaj and jirga.

The committee proposed retaining the jirga system in the civil and criminal Justice system of Fata for the reason that an all-together repeal would be too drastic a step. |

Moreover, with certain changes in the procedures, the Jirga process could start resembling the “jury system”, which is an acceptable process in all the major legal systems of the world. Simultaneously, any legal instrument, which incorporates Riwaj as part of the judicial process, must ensure that it’s not in conflict with fundamental rights and other substantive laws.

Firstly, the committee said judicial processes, based on Riwaj, will be formalised and codified in such a manner that these shall become an integral part of the judicial system, having passed through the scrutiny of the superior courts.

The other possibility is that with the passage of time, the citizens of Fata discard it in favour of a system that is the norm in the rest of the country, thus bringing in uniformity and equality.

The smell of bullshit coming from this is too strong.

 

[Arsalan]

The alternativ is worse. So many cities are underdeveloped while cities such as Lahore and Karachi are facing massive urbanization making them overcrowded. We need to create more provinces which will put more emphasis on developing other cities and urbanization will be more spread out evenly.

That is due to the corrupt and lazy politicians, imaging them running wild in there own little domains!! They will ruin everything. The right approach will be to BUILD those cities remaining in current setup. let the political systme mature and let the nation get mature and then for administration we can split up into slammer segments later on. Till then, more proviences mean more corruptio

I like the idea very much. FATA is Pakistani territory and we need to take ownership. I am amazed it took so long, but better late than never. Time has come to enforce the writ of the state. Our brothers in FATA deserve as much development and prosperity as the rest of Pakistan.

We do have the ownership!! FATA = FEDERALLY administrated tribal area,, FEDERALLY!!
However making it part of KPK will bring it into main stream politics and will make it part of development plans etc. A good move, better late than never!!

Alongwith political system, I would start with different view here.

FATA has more close traditional and cultural relations with the rest of KPK so rather giving it a separate province status, better to keep it the way as KPK.

A separate province must need a base for self reliance and an industry for to bear its own expenditure. A province without no such arrangement and base it like more burden on the Federal Government which also includes as you pointed out and there are much more things than that. FATA has been following a system of Jirga, different tribes and they have more moral values by their long history of such system. Currently, FATA needs reforms, investment and focus to give it a push to rebuild with the help of current Provincial government and Central as well but separating the area that just is liberated would result with same situation that we had. FATA is not much aware with such political system that we have in the main cities so isn't possible that the region may adopt a direct change however, by bring them among the provincial political system will let them to see the system and learn and adopt. The geography of FATA is same as we talk about Peshawar, a bond. Let it be more closer to KPK political government and there will be fruits for the people as well that almost matured Government will be taking care of the area.

I remember once Baba Haider Zaman demanded for Hazara Sooba and I was like, on what basis and for what? just to be self claimed CM and be more burden on Center while dividing the people on ethnic basis more and more then the same goes to MQM etc.

You rightly said as our current political system is no where near mature and is all about to continue the legacy of forefathers once being premier of country or province. We cannot afford more unrest in the area as our political elite can go beyond any limits for their own gain and political benefits and then there will be political chaos like just dealt with one and created another headache.

Thanks for explaining it in details. This is exactly what i am pointing to!

 

[maximuswarrior]

That is due to the corrupt and lazy politicians, imaging them running wild in there own little domains!! They will ruin everything. The right approach will be to BUILD those cities remaining in current setup. let the political systme mature and let the nation get mature and then for administration we can split up into slammer segments later on. Till then, more proviences mean more corruptio

We do have the ownership!! FATA = FEDERALLY administrated tribal area,, FEDERALLY!!
However making it part of KPK will bring it into main stream politics and will make it part of development plans etc. A good move, better late than never!!

Thanks for explaining it in details. This is exactly what i am pointing to!

We have always had ownership, but this region has been neglected for a long time after independence. Time has come to integrate it with the rest of Pakistan. Imran Khan has been pushing this idea for some time now. Kudos to him.

 

[Arsalan]

We have always had ownership, but this region has been neglected for a long time after independence. Time has come to integrate it with the rest of Pakistan. Imran Khan has been pushing this idea for some time now. Kudos to him.

Yup, that i agree with. Bring them into the mainstream structure and work for the betterment of the area.

 

[jupiter2007]

If it's up to me i will decenterlize the power down to city and district level.

 

[shah1398]

The committee deciding the fate of the tribal areas has concluded that the option to merge the region with Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa is the only viable route to mainstream the areas. A five-year plan has been devised for this purpose.

Yes it is ambitious but doable. Abolish FCR in toto. Let the reign of Political Agents and Maliks be over. But apparently they ll be losing large number of reserve seats in due course of time I guess. For that to happen Education system in FATA had to be brought in par with rest of KPK. Good Luck.

 

[Bouncer]

In Pakistan more province means more chief ministers, more ministers, more protocol cars and duties, more government expenditures!!
This is not for us, not unless our nation and most importantly, our political system matures!!!
@The Sandman @Zibago @Moonlight @Mr.Meap @The Eagle
What do you people say?

It'll also mean more accountability. The closer the government is to the people, the more connected and accountable they are. An average resident of Rawalpindi, Multan or Bhawalpur doesn't get as much love as a resident of Lahore. Same goes for Karachi and Sukkhur or Peshawar and Bajaur.

Our brothers in FATA deserve as much development and prosperity as the rest of Pakistan.

Considering what they have been going through, I'd say they deserve more than the rest of Pakistan.

 

[jupiter2007]

Power should be decerterlize from fedreal to province to district to city level.

Each has set of policies to follow

Federal government should have set of policies to follow.
provincial governmet should have set of policies to follow.
District and city governement follow set of polices.

IMHO, many current provicial governmet policies should be transfered to district government.
Major responsibilities for district government should include building and maintaining roads, recreational facilities and, in some cases, small district airports; constructing and operating jails; operating the judicial system; maintaining public records; collecting property taxes; issuing vehicle registration and transfers; and registering voters.

District Government should also be responsible for delivering programs that assist people who are facing economic hardship, are vulnerable to abuse or exploitation, or suffer from mental illness or developmental delays. District govenments are the province front line of defense in protecting the public’s health and play a primary role in maintaining the public’s safety. District government should operate jails, prosecute those charged with criminal offenses, provide free legal counsel for those who cannot afford their own attorney, and supervise those who are on probation. District government also serve as the main repository for public records and manage the elections process.

In addition to these and other mandated responsibilities, for example, tharparker district will provide police protection through a Mohafiz enforcement office (District Police), operates a district wide emergency Center, provides planning guidance, and maintains an extensive system of roads and bridges.


Municipalities/city/Town government generally take responsibility for parks and recreation services, police and fire departments, housing services, emergency medical services, municipal courts, transportation services (including public transportation), and public works (streets, sewers, snow removal, signage, and so forth).

 

[Moonlight]

In Pakistan more province means more chief ministers, more ministers, more protocol cars and duties, more government expenditures!!
This is not for us, not unless our nation and most importantly, our political system matures!!!
@The Sandman @Zibago @Moonlight @Mr.Meap @The Eagle
What do you people say?

Exactly what comes up to my mind, when I hear people asking for more provinces. It means more dirty politics in mainstream political parties to win the mastery over new provinces. More chances to loot the nation for same people. They have no ability to govern few provinces and they talk about more provinces. That won't be really helpful.

 

[ebrahym]

In Pakistan more province means more chief ministers, more ministers, more protocol cars and duties, more

it also means more govt jobs

Exactly what comes up to my mind, when I hear people asking for more provinces. It means more dirty politics in mainstream political parties to win the mastery over new provinces. More chances to loot the nation for same people. They have no ability to govern few provinces and they talk about more provinces. That won't be really helpful

it also means more jobs in bureaucracy
it also means better approach to govt from a local
it also means better population distributaion
better resouce distribution

 

[Moonlight]

it also means more jobs in bureaucracy
it also means better approach to govt from a local
it also means better population distributaion
better resouce distribution

More bureaucrats? If not all politicians are corrupt so aren't all bureaucrats are corrupt. BUT, with my personal opnion they are more corrupt than politicians.
At the end we will have more corrupt people in Pakistan. Ugh'