Am I the only one?

[Braith]

Your love for brotherly nation shows here Afghans are azaab shuda log because of their immoral deeds (like qoam e loot) and bitting the hand who fed them because of their azaab anyone / any nation make friendship with them becomes subject of that azaab because of association with Afghan...We should leave them and disconnect any association with them.

"Lawatat" is not the only sin in existence......many nations were punished by Allah for different reasons. Qaum-i-Shoab, for example, was destroyed for fraudulent ways.......can you claim with confidence that Pakistanis dont commit fraud and cheating for which Qaum-i-Shoab was destroyed?

 

[OrionHunter]

Pakistanis are not vicious and ruthless. We have ideals to uphold. We are the kindest people on Earth, so when I see some of you seething with anger, it hurts my heart. There is no reason for us to behave like Afghan and Hindu government.

The problem is that you have vicious and ruthless people like Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed, Salauddin etc who command armies of fully armed and trained jehadis brandishing AK-47s who love to kill not only for ideology, but for a few rupees too! That has created a noxious reputation where the world has stopped seeing you as the kindest, upholding the high ideals of a peace-loving people. You need to weed out these toxic groups that sully your reputation. But then getting rid of these terrorists is not easy as they are the PA's 'strategic assets'. But at what cost?

 

[Windjammer]

I would have liked to see the Afghan refugees demonstrate to Kabul against indoctrinated Indian policies. While we cater for millions of Afghan refugees, the Afghans back home miss no chance to bark against Pakistan at the behest of the Indians.
Afghan refugees protesting against such staged managed shows will send a clear signal to Kabul.

 

[Jaga Badmash]

"Lawatat" is not the only sin in existence......many nations were punished by Allah for different reasons. Qaum-i-Shoab, for example, was destroyed for fraudulent ways.......can you claim with confidence that Pakistanis dont commit fraud and cheating for which Qaum-i-Shoab was destroyed?

MAy be but we / Pakistani not involved in these type of sins as in large number and this is not even our culture but on the other hand they are proud of it and call it their culture.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

I'd like to ask this question to all the Pakistanis here.

I am a Pakistani Punjabi. Unlike the majority of you, I don't hate Afghan people or their refugees. What I've noticed is that you people are like sheeple. You're all engaged in mob mentality. The thing is that you guys can't even answer why?

I'll tell you. Before APS massacre, all of you were supporting Afghan refugees, but after Peshawar School Massacre, you were upset. You were hurt. And now you are trying to match the dirty Afghans and Indians in hate. I'm sorry to say this, but Pakistanis have always had a bigger heart. I refuse to be a racist towards Afghans. I am a Muslim. I'm not going to join the hate bandwagon.


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its not APS,... why r u so naive ?????? attack on torkham border, burning of Pak flag, blaming Pak for their own sins,. supporting TTP against Pak,. being a puppet of RAW,. ignoring and forgetting all the good things Pak did for them,.. These r the problems for which i hate them...

btw u can keep ur love for them

 

[M.SAAD]

I am yet to meet a single Afghan who is pro Pakistan.


So you can keep their love to yourself ..

 

[xairhossi]

In reality though the pashtuns are right. No one has a history as great as them. The suris, lodhis, ghilzais, ghaznavids, ghorids, durannis were all Pashtuns. .

Ghaznavi and the Ghorids weren't Afghan/Pashtun. Not even Khiljis were (they were Turkic) but some of them were assimilated in Southern Afghanistan as Ghilzais.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

After months, I still feel the same way.

 

[Mian Babban]

Ghaznavi and the Ghorids weren't Afghan/Pashtun. Not even Khiljis were (they were Turkic) but some of them were assimilated in Southern Afghanistan as Ghilzais.

I have done extensive research on Khaljis, and my study say that they were not Turks either but Hepthalites (white Huns) who culturally resembled Turks. Mohammad Khwarazmi in Mafatih-ul-Alam (975 AD) says, "The Hayatila are a tribe of men who had enjoyed grandeur and possessed the country of Tukharistan (Ancient Bactria) ; the Turks called Khalukh , or Khalaj, are their descendants." Hayatila is the Arabic and Persian name for the Hepthalites. They did not look like Turks or Mongols. Byzantine historian of the 6th century , Prokopios, wrote about Hepthalites ; ," The Ephthalites are of the stock of the Huns in fact as well as in name; however they do not mingle with any of the Huns known to us......They are the only Huns who are white-skinned and their faces are not ugly" ......"their territory lies immediately lie immediately to the north of Persia , and their city, called Gorgo, is located near the Persian frontier"......"

And my contention is that entirety of Ghilzais are not descended from Khaljis.....Khaljis settled in Ghaznin among the Ghilji Pashtuns but maintained their distinct identity.....Majority of the Khaljis migrated to India while the remnants of Khaljis were absorbed by Ghilzais as their denizens e.g Nasars and Kharotis (both are not considered proper Ghilzais but 'adopted' ones). While in India, Khalji and Ghilzai identities co-existed, the latter were part of Afghan/Pashtun nation, the former were not. In the Lodi and Sur period , the Ghilzai nobles in their service are clearly identified as Pashtun while the neighboring Khaljis of Malwa are identified as non-Pashtun in contermporay Afghan sources like Waqiat-i-Mushtaqi, Afsana-i-Shahan, Tarikh-i-Daudi, Tarikh-i-Shahi, Makhzan-i-Afghani etc. Khaljis had adopted manners and customs of Afghans and were not recognized as Turks but they are always mentioned distinctly from both Turks and Afghans in 11th, 12th , 13th and 14th century sources.....for example Utbi in 1020 AD says "Mahmud rushed to Balkh with his Turkish, Indian, Khalaj, Afghan, and Ghazna troops..."

 

[Dr. Abdul Basit]

i have worked pretty close with refugees and even currently i am....
most of the bad things related to refugees are because of "no clear policy" available or if there is a policy no buddy knows about it therefore no implementation (which is equal as having no policy) this includes:
- The number of unregistered refugees equals or exceeds the number of registered refugees------we don't have any data or information about 1.5 million refugee------Go figure
- They have been here for more than thirty years no, two generations have grown up in Pakistan for whom their home country is now Pakistan and not Afghanistan if we send them back, they will become refugees in their own country
- 50% still live in camps (refugee villages) built on lands belonging either to GoP or locals, who are now asking for vacating lands from the refugees which they intended to give away for a short stay initially....this is leading to too many of problems
- due to corruption, many of them have NICs, Passports, they own property in Pakistan either directly or through a Pakistani middle man
- Their PoR (Proof of Registration Cards issued by NADRA) was previously used as travel document with both country's authorities letting them pass to and fro on the border without any travel documents giving rise to
1. Free passage of black sheeps among the 20000 corssing daily
2. Technically they traveled frequently to Afghanistan, and by definition they are no more refugees, they would even move to afghanistan during hot weather and come back in winters
3. New border regulations have hurt them and since then most of them are repatriating willingly now.
- As far as i am concerned there would be no more than.3-.4 million refugees in real terms in our whole wide country if we count them by the book...
But the point is where are the authorities who would take these measures?

 

[Panther 57]

There are a lot of good Afghan refugees in Pakistan that consider themselves Pakistani. I am not going to be party to discrimination.

A lot of you guys need to grow up. Pakistanis are not vicious and ruthless. We have ideals to uphold. We are the kindest people on Earth, so when I see some of you seething with anger, it hurts my heart. There is no reason for us to behave like Afghan and Hindu government.

Pakistan has supported Afghans beyond its moral obligation. It has supported them to an extent whereby its own economy has become hostage.

Hamid Karzai was also a refugee in Pakistan where he was provided with food, medicine and shelter. I have been to Afghanistan and have a number of people who have been provided with all necessities including education to even masters level. However, lines towed by their leaders like Hamid Karzai has alienated them. They dislike Pakistan, yet they want Pakistan to extend all the support they want. There is nothing like free lunch in this world. Afghans should realise favours extended to them by Pakistan and acknowledge it rather then having a hostile behaviour. Even today if Pakistan does not allow movement of goods into Afghanistan, people will be facing food shortage.

In given scenario if Afghans keep their stance then best option for Pakistan to respectfully send refugees back. Let them explore other ways of getting across their necessities through other routes. It will not pinch them now as dollars are flowing in, but the day they will have to run their economy through their own earning, it will be unsustainable.

 

[Verve]

When the presence and acts of a long term guest start causing major issues in the house, the guest is respectfully asked to leave and escorted out.

There will eventually be an immigration policy that will force legal Afghan refugees to either become Pakistani nationals (no dual nationality so visa to travel to Afghanistan) or Leave. Border control before this happens.

We should treat them nicely in the meantime, and as public we should report any suspicious activities of ALL.