alternate views on 1971
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The only view is the real view and a pragmatic view and a honest view of whole problem
During early 1947 -1965's
The condition across both side of Pakistan was similar , people had large families but not enough resources but they had each other for comfort. However as Pakistan (East / West) started to stand on it's feet it became apparent that one side of Pakistan (East) suffered from regular weather calamities (Floods). Every few years
Floods would come in and destroy large amount of Property.
So if we view a 10 year cycle , a family in West Pakistan , would work and gather few assets and grow have bank account because we did not had flooding. The story on East Pakistan was different the floods would continue to wipe up properties owned , do damages and would not allow the middle class to prop up.
We can say a East Pakistan (Bangladesh) community was not able to develop their middle class who can setup their own small business due to flood related poverty
Eight Major Floods (Reference of Flood History in Bangladesh)
1954 - 36,920 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1955 - 50,700 Sq km Flooded 34% of country
1956 - 35,620 Sq km Flooded 24% of country
1962 - 37,404 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1963 - 43,180 Sq km Flooded 29% of country
1968 - 37,300 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1970 - 42,640 Sq km Flooded 28% of country
1971 - 36,475 Sq km Flooded 24% of country
Just for reference the floods sustained in 2005 in Pakistan it took us good 3-5 years to recover, in current Pakistan , so you can imagine what the situation as on East Pakistan specially at that time Pakistan was relatively poor economy
India's Role in Flooding
India was the number one culprit for releasing excess water many times without warning in to East Pakistan, due to lack of Dams and protective barriers , the Floods caused massive damage. Current Pakistan (West Pakistan) , never really had any say on that water release as all these rivers were inside India where the Floods emerged from in first place
a) So what was taking place was a Flood War damaging East Pakistan's Economy
b) Secondary war was taking place as lies were spread at ground level that cause of East's
poverty was West Pakistan
Espionage / Stirring of Terrorism inside East Pakistan
India continued to finance the internal rift between 1965 up to 1971 by support of certain political minds who wanted political favors and power in return for raising anti Pakistan sentiment locally.
"1970's also say a massive Cyclone strike East Pakistan killing 500,000 people which infuriated local people due to massive amount of deaths "
Note: India still declared war on Pakistan in 1971 when their was such a massive calamity due to natural disaster mere few months later
Birth Of Textile Industry in East Pakistan
One of the major political tools used by Indian lobby was to spread lies that no major industrial centers were being setup in East Pakistan, so West Pakistani Industrialist setup Textile industries and hired local workers to help remove poverty
However due to flood the local population always had trouble maintaining the cash / money as flood regularly destroyed assets property every few years on massive scale
In order to counter the sentiment , many of the Industrialist in West Pakistan actively setup Textiles industries inside East Pakistan , so that the RAW's narrative can be countered.
Political Fall out from Last Election prior to War:
Looking back most Pakistanis (West Pakistani) feel the issue of election should have been approached differently. Any objection to Mujib was on security grounds due to his ties with India.
However instead of exposure of his ties to India he was allowed to contest in elections
and that created a politically unstable situation in East Pakistan.
India started the war and various lies were spread in Local Circles against Pakistan's military
Lack of Navy and Transport of Troops :
At that time lack of Navy and Transport capabilities between East and West Pakistan hindered proper defense
Bhutto in 1974 visited Bangladesh but what is the point then when it was already too late should have stood down politically in 1971
Bhutto himself was hanged for his role in political unstability in 1970's
Post War :
Economic Views you can see in 1950 both Bangladesh and Pakistan had similar GDP
So the stories of massive wealth in East Pakistan were not true
Another graph shows Pakistan/Bangladesh economies were almost identical in 1971
Both nations continue to thrive as brotherly muslim nations
Before we leave this discuss it is also important to note the result of elections in 70's in Pakistan by virtue of which East Pakistani party was suppose to form the majority government
The political wrong decisions by Bhutto further escalated the problem and that must be acknowledged as Pakistani and I personally understand that issue
If Mujib was a conspirator he should be have been disqualified from election in 68
Lessons Learned
a) Weather devastation played a massive role in hindering East Pakistan's economic growth and growth of middle class between 1947-1970
b) Lack of Dams prevented mass flooding , India did not helped as it released flood waters
unannounced.
c) Lack of Prison Sentence , if evidence existed against Mujib Ur Rehman, he should have been disqualified to prevent any disharmony in election.
d) Post Election confusion and refusal to allow East Pakistan's party to form government Bhutto, PPP and other elements created a political mess.
[No war crime was committed during war as Pakistan was defending it's own citizens, the military at borders were protecting the border , a majority of that is a massive fabricated illusion, once a full blown war starts we know their are casualties Bombardment, firing , air bombing etc]
A majority of people who lived in that time for example my parents state clearly it was 100% Bhutto's blind refusal to step down and accept election results, I agree to some degree that Bhutto did create a massive issue out of no issue.
Looking back their is regret that East Pakistan is not there but at least their is a Muslim country still doing well known as Bangladesh
During early 1947 -1965's
The condition across both side of Pakistan was similar , people had large families but not enough resources but they had each other for comfort. However as Pakistan (East / West) started to stand on it's feet it became apparent that one side of Pakistan (East) suffered from regular weather calamities (Floods). Every few years
Floods would come in and destroy large amount of Property.
So if we view a 10 year cycle , a family in West Pakistan , would work and gather few assets and grow have bank account because we did not had flooding. The story on East Pakistan was different the floods would continue to wipe up properties owned , do damages and would not allow the middle class to prop up.
We can say a East Pakistan (Bangladesh) community was not able to develop their middle class who can setup their own small business due to flood related poverty
Eight Major Floods (Reference of Flood History in Bangladesh)
1954 - 36,920 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1955 - 50,700 Sq km Flooded 34% of country
1956 - 35,620 Sq km Flooded 24% of country
1962 - 37,404 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1963 - 43,180 Sq km Flooded 29% of country
1968 - 37,300 Sq km Flooded 25% of country
1970 - 42,640 Sq km Flooded 28% of country
1971 - 36,475 Sq km Flooded 24% of country
Just for reference the floods sustained in 2005 in Pakistan it took us good 3-5 years to recover, in current Pakistan , so you can imagine what the situation as on East Pakistan specially at that time Pakistan was relatively poor economy
India's Role in Flooding
India was the number one culprit for releasing excess water many times without warning in to East Pakistan, due to lack of Dams and protective barriers , the Floods caused massive damage. Current Pakistan (West Pakistan) , never really had any say on that water release as all these rivers were inside India where the Floods emerged from in first place
a) So what was taking place was a Flood War damaging East Pakistan's Economy
b) Secondary war was taking place as lies were spread at ground level that cause of East's
poverty was West Pakistan
Espionage / Stirring of Terrorism inside East Pakistan
India continued to finance the internal rift between 1965 up to 1971 by support of certain political minds who wanted political favors and power in return for raising anti Pakistan sentiment locally.
"1970's also say a massive Cyclone strike East Pakistan killing 500,000 people which infuriated local people due to massive amount of deaths "
Note: India still declared war on Pakistan in 1971 when their was such a massive calamity due to natural disaster mere few months later
Birth Of Textile Industry in East Pakistan
One of the major political tools used by Indian lobby was to spread lies that no major industrial centers were being setup in East Pakistan, so West Pakistani Industrialist setup Textile industries and hired local workers to help remove poverty
However due to flood the local population always had trouble maintaining the cash / money as flood regularly destroyed assets property every few years on massive scale
In order to counter the sentiment , many of the Industrialist in West Pakistan actively setup Textiles industries inside East Pakistan , so that the RAW's narrative can be countered.
Political Fall out from Last Election prior to War:
Looking back most Pakistanis (West Pakistani) feel the issue of election should have been approached differently. Any objection to Mujib was on security grounds due to his ties with India.
However instead of exposure of his ties to India he was allowed to contest in elections
and that created a politically unstable situation in East Pakistan.
India started the war and various lies were spread in Local Circles against Pakistan's military
Lack of Navy and Transport of Troops :
At that time lack of Navy and Transport capabilities between East and West Pakistan hindered proper defense
Bhutto in 1974 visited Bangladesh but what is the point then when it was already too late should have stood down politically in 1971
Bhutto himself was hanged for his role in political unstability in 1970's
Post War :
- 1975 Mujibur Rehman killed by his own folks, these were internal elements in Bangladesh and internal power struggle which followed post war
Economic Views you can see in 1950 both Bangladesh and Pakistan had similar GDP
So the stories of massive wealth in East Pakistan were not true
Another graph shows Pakistan/Bangladesh economies were almost identical in 1971
Both nations continue to thrive as brotherly muslim nations
Before we leave this discuss it is also important to note the result of elections in 70's in Pakistan by virtue of which East Pakistani party was suppose to form the majority government
The political wrong decisions by Bhutto further escalated the problem and that must be acknowledged as Pakistani and I personally understand that issue
If Mujib was a conspirator he should be have been disqualified from election in 68
Lessons Learned
a) Weather devastation played a massive role in hindering East Pakistan's economic growth and growth of middle class between 1947-1970
b) Lack of Dams prevented mass flooding , India did not helped as it released flood waters
unannounced.
c) Lack of Prison Sentence , if evidence existed against Mujib Ur Rehman, he should have been disqualified to prevent any disharmony in election.
d) Post Election confusion and refusal to allow East Pakistan's party to form government Bhutto, PPP and other elements created a political mess.
[No war crime was committed during war as Pakistan was defending it's own citizens, the military at borders were protecting the border , a majority of that is a massive fabricated illusion, once a full blown war starts we know their are casualties Bombardment, firing , air bombing etc]
A majority of people who lived in that time for example my parents state clearly it was 100% Bhutto's blind refusal to step down and accept election results, I agree to some degree that Bhutto did create a massive issue out of no issue.
Looking back their is regret that East Pakistan is not there but at least their is a Muslim country still doing well known as Bangladesh
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The narrative in Bangladesh is that of India, censored school book and continuous supply of fabricated material feed to people since they are children
When moment comes Indians don't mind making fun of Bangali people on various grounds and abuse of human rights is also common among Indians against Bangali people
However the Hindu government of India tends to keep a soft hand on Bangladesh in order to exploit it's consumer base for selling it's goods over
That's a good objective summary.
I also heard that issue was political and ifi f Pakistsni politicians went to Bangladesh in June 1971, we would still have east Pakistan .army had complete control of the situation But they didn't.
But I want to hear.from Bangladeshis on this forum
I also heard that issue was political and ifi f Pakistsni politicians went to Bangladesh in June 1971, we would still have east Pakistan .army had complete control of the situation But they didn't.
But I want to hear.from Bangladeshis on this forum
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@I S I is expert on Bangladesh affairs but as he said he won't be active for quite some time.
He has got 29 ratings in negative
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thank god you got banned
Most of it is well written hoever i disagree with some....
this was one of mujib's 6 points... to set up naval headquarter in bd
accounts from west pakistans people proves otherwise... however his stooges were definitely planning something entirely different collaborating with india without asking him some reason why he called them traitors... i wonder why he didn't kill them... most probably political motives as the country was too young to go through purges... but after his death... factions that thought it was these indian collaborators responsible, killed them off.... for ex... tajjuddin
he was stupid he didn't see this coming... everynone warned him but he was oblivious to the facts and had an ego... his son was alleged to have misbehaved with wives of officers... the same guy was alleged to have robbed bank after the war and was made chief of private militia that supposedly had more power than the regular army... because mujib allowed it... so he got disposed off
he definitely wasn't but he changed his stance after the war which makes me wonder why... maybe my theory of politicians being spineless has something to do with it
that my friend listening to people who survived the war in real life... can't be denied... my own uncle who was in pakistan army deployed in east pakistan... he deserted after he saw the barbarity during the war... he entered india as a refugee and went all the way to pakistan to head to the middle east where he joined a college to study and become a banker and live a civilian life in pakistan after retirement to death.... may god RIP and grant him jannah... the best man i've ever come across
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The explanation is simple. The imposition of martial law and military rule by Ayub Khan in Pakistan around the late 50's started the slide downward. By 1965 Pakistan's economical fate was sealed and the whole panoply of looter characters (mostly connected with Fauji structure) started appearing, Bhutto, Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan, Ziaul Huq etc.
The massive looting (and stashing of wealth in Dubai and Swiss banks) began and the story from then on was a quarrel between the looters, shown in coups, counter-coups, assassinations, hangings etc. Bhutto, Ziaul Huq all met their fate this way.
Following the military rule period in the late eighties, Pakistanis were given some 'semblance' that they had 'democracy' wherein Nawaz Shareef and the Bhutto family had 'arrangements' with the military honchos to share power (and nominal share of the loot). When Nawaz Shareef tried to loot all by himself and defied the military, he got his come-uppance as seen today.
Pakistan is ruled (and looted!) by their military in feudal fashion as always, everyone knows this in Pakistan and puts up with it. There is almost no civil society or protests and no one cares. It's a Fauji country founded and run on feudal principles where people's mandate means little. This is my impression. However I would love to be proven wrong.
I know there are a lot of Pakistani military supporters in this forum. My apologies if I've been a bit too frank. I don't mean to belittle Pakistan. The only problem is that there are Pakistanis in it, some of whom I count as my friends....
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You can take a look at my explanation about the causes of 1971 if you have time.
Due to the availability of internet, people now have access to different views towards the event. Happening with both Bangladeshis and Pakistanis.
I agree that we are a fauji contry. That also have halted progress and some freedom too .I compare it with Europe and see the differences .
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Mukthi Bani was created by Indians to cary out violence so that pakistan could be blamed.
Mukthi Bani was indias first made in india terrorist group they exported to another country, then came the tamil tigers in Sri Lanka, then came the TTP in pakistan and now its face is PTM.
indias long history for funding and training terrorist groups starts from the creation of bangladesh.
Mukthi Bani was indias first made in india terrorist group they exported to another country, then came the tamil tigers in Sri Lanka, then came the TTP in pakistan and now its face is PTM.
indias long history for funding and training terrorist groups starts from the creation of bangladesh.
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