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It's alternate history time!

In this alternate history scenario, we are going to assume what the region and the world in general might have looked like if South Asia was dominated by a United India. For this scenario to make sense we would have to make some assumptions. The key assumption would be that the major religious groups don't hold enmities against each other and the major ones don't hold ambitions to dominate the other ones. Keep in mind that this scenario is based on my assumptions and changing one historical event can cause several alternate routes in history. For this post we will assume that things work out rather well for the United Indian States (UIS). Please forgive me for any actual historical inaccuracies.

So, our first assumption would be that Jinnah remains in Indian National Congress as he doesn't feel the need to distance himself from the party based on the key assumption mentioned above. All India Muslim League is still a popular party for center right winged Muslims but without advocating Pan-Islamism and Two-nation theory (in mainstream at least). The demand for freedom from British colonialism is lead by major political parties in the first half of the twentieth century but no popular demand for a separate independent Muslim country exists (sorry folks, but no Minar-e-Pakistan).

It is possible (but unlikely) that the British grant independence to UIS a bit earlier than WWII since they would have faced a united and stronger freedom movement. In any case the UIS gains independence in the later first half of the twentieth century (flag might have been different?). The UIS stretches from modern day Pakistan to the West Bengal and also has many autonomous princely states whose foreign policy and defense is under UIS federal government. Kashmir issue doesn't exist and UIS is smart enough to solve its territorial disputes with China in the 1950s through negotiations. The only border issue for UIS is for the Durand Line but more on that later. Sri Lanka and Nepal don't joint the UIS. Now that the basic premise is set, we can look at some of the events of the second half of the twentieth century in this alternate history scenario.

Since there is no immediate threat of war after independence as the world is still recovering from WWII, the UIS can spend the first couple of decades on its own development. Lower defense budget means more money to spend on human resource development. Corruption is high in some states but the autonomous regions fare better in this regard. UIS is an industrial mammoth and if it uses its potential effectively it can create automotive and tech companies in the 1970s and 1980s to rival Japan. The manufacturing cost in UIS would steadily rise as the standard of living increases so, these companies start shifting their factories to China. The brain drain would also be lower as most UIS citizens would prefer to stay in their home country.

The UIS would start transforming from a soft giant to a major world player around late 1970s. The Cold War would still happen between US/NATO and USSR. UIS remains officially neutral but is more aligned towards US/NATO due to similar nature of governance. Soviet-Afgan War is unlikely to happen as the UIS would strongly oppose USSR's direct involvement into it's neighbor. This means no Afghan Mujahideen and Talibaan. Without the Soviet-Afghan War, the USSR squeezes out at least a decade more for its existence but ultimately it collapses.The UIS would probably fence the Durand Line and guard the border with Afghanistan. The other borders would have been relatively safe so major border force would be present along the Durand Line.

As mentioned before, due to lower brain drain the UIS establishes a domestic defense industry and is not dependent on anyone for its defense needs. It also has an excellent space program rivaling that of USA/NATO and Russia. The naval strength of UIS is also quite formidable and it has huge influence over major shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean. Due to its global influence UIS also has veto power in UNSC. After the fall of USSR, a new Cold War soon starts between USA and UIS. China is either on UIS's side or is neutral (more likely). So, in our present day we (UIS citizens) would be in a Cold War with USA.

To conclude, UIS is a major player in the present world locked in a Cold War with USA with China happily watching from the backdrop. It would be like USA of the East. Although like USA chances of a civil war were high in its early days but UIS overcame those obstacles and is now a global power. Thank you for reading the article. I might do a few more alternate history scenarios in the future. Take care!

PA
 
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It's alternate history time!

In this alternate history scenario, we are going to assume what the region and the world in general might have looked like if South Asia was dominated by a United India. For this scenario to make sense we would have to make some assumptions. The key assumption would be that the major religious groups don't hold enmities against each other and the major ones don't hold ambitions to dominate the other ones. Keep in mind that this scenario is based on my assumptions and changing one historical event can cause several alternate routes in history. For this post we will assume that things work out rather well for the United Indian States (UIS). Please forgive me for any actual historical inaccuracies.

So, our first assumption would be that Jinnah remains in Indian National Congress as he doesn't feel the need to distance himself from the party based on the key assumption mentioned above. All India Muslim League is still a popular party for center right winged Muslims but without advocating Pan-Islamism and Two-nation theory (in mainstream at least). The demand for freedom from British colonialism is lead by major political parties in the first half of the twentieth century but no popular demand for a separate independent Muslim country exists (sorry folks, but no Minar-e-Pakistan).

It is possible (but unlikely) that the British grant independence to UIS a bit earlier than WWII since they would have faced a united and stronger freedom movement. In any case the UIS gains independence in the later first half of the twentieth century (flag might have been different?). The UIS stretches from modern day Pakistan to the West Bengal and also has many autonomous princely states whose foreign policy and defense is under UIS federal government. Kashmir issue doesn't exist and UIS is smart enough to solve its territorial disputes with China in the 1950s through negotiations. The only border issue for UIS is for the Durand Line but more on that later. Sri Lanka and Nepal don't joint the UIS. Now that the basic premise is set, we can look at some of the events of the second half of the twentieth century in this alternate history scenario.

Since there is no immediate threat of war after independence as the world is still recovering from WWII, the UIS can spend the first couple of decades on its own development. Lower defense budget means more money to spend on human resource development. Corruption is high in some states but the autonomous regions fare better in this regard. UIS is an industrial mammoth and if it uses its potential effectively it can create automotive and tech companies in the 1970s and 1980s to rival Japan. The manufacturing cost in UIS would steadily rise as the standard of living increases so, these companies start shifting their factories to China. The brain drain would also be lower as most UIS citizens would prefer to stay in their home country.

The UIS would start transforming from a soft giant to a major world player around late 1970s. The Cold War would still happen between US/NATO and USSR. UIS remains officially neutral but is more aligned towards US/NATO due to similar nature of governance. Soviet-Afgan War is unlikely to happen as the UIS would strongly oppose USSR's direct involvement into it's neighbor. This means no Afghan Mujahideen and Talibaan. Without the Soviet-Afghan War, the USSR squeezes out at least a decade more for its existence but ultimately it collapses.The UIS would probably fence the Durand Line and guard the border with Afghanistan. The other borders would have been relatively safe so major border force would be present along the Durand Line.

As mentioned before, due to lower brain drain the UIS establishes a domestic defense industry and is not dependent on anyone for its defense needs. It also has an excellent space program rivaling that of USA/NATO and Russia. The naval strength of UIS is also quite formidable and it has huge influence over major shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean. Due to its global influence UIS also has veto power in UNSC. After the fall of USSR, a new Cold War soon starts between USA and UIS. China is either on UIS's side or is neutral (more likely). So, in our present day we (UIS citizens) would be in a Cold War with USA.

To conclude, UIS is a major player in the present world locked in a Cold War with USA with China happily watching from the backdrop. It would be like USA of the East. Although like USA chances of a civil war were high in its early days but UIS overcame those obstacles and is now a global power. Thank you for reading the article. I might do a few more alternate history scenarios in the future. Take care!

PA
So basically the United Indian States is basically the current PRC and the China in this story is the current India?
 
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So basically the United Indian States is basically the current PRC and the China in this story is the current India?
Well, that is somewhat correct. But China in this alternate history would be much stronger than India in our actual timeline. Also, China might not align with US like India has done.
 
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Peace cannot prevail between a Cow and a Buffalo if they consider themselves as Lions. And Consider their Moos as Roars, Their hoofs as Claws. They will keep mooing at each other and behaving like lions. Not Understanding they have real danger from predators. And Wasting all their energy at meaningless hits at each other and screaming instead of doing something to protect them from predators. They don't even eat properly and spend the eating time on mooing. Neither will be able to kill each other but the predators will.

Any Resemblance of the story to to India , Pakistan and factors like Poverty, Corruption, Social Deterioration is just co-incidental. :secret:
 
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It's alternate history time!

In this alternate history scenario, we are going to assume what the region and the world in general might have looked like if South Asia was dominated by a United India. For this scenario to make sense we would have to make some assumptions. The key assumption would be that the major religious groups don't hold enmities against each other and the major ones don't hold ambitions to dominate the other ones. Keep in mind that this scenario is based on my assumptions and changing one historical event can cause several alternate routes in history. For this post we will assume that things work out rather well for the United Indian States (UIS). Please forgive me for any actual historical inaccuracies.

So, our first assumption would be that Jinnah remains in Indian National Congress as he doesn't feel the need to distance himself from the party based on the key assumption mentioned above. All India Muslim League is still a popular party for center right winged Muslims but without advocating Pan-Islamism and Two-nation theory (in mainstream at least). The demand for freedom from British colonialism is lead by major political parties in the first half of the twentieth century but no popular demand for a separate independent Muslim country exists (sorry folks, but no Minar-e-Pakistan).

It is possible (but unlikely) that the British grant independence to UIS a bit earlier than WWII since they would have faced a united and stronger freedom movement. In any case the UIS gains independence in the later first half of the twentieth century (flag might have been different?). The UIS stretches from modern day Pakistan to the West Bengal and also has many autonomous princely states whose foreign policy and defense is under UIS federal government. Kashmir issue doesn't exist and UIS is smart enough to solve its territorial disputes with China in the 1950s through negotiations. The only border issue for UIS is for the Durand Line but more on that later. Sri Lanka and Nepal don't joint the UIS. Now that the basic premise is set, we can look at some of the events of the second half of the twentieth century in this alternate history scenario.

Since there is no immediate threat of war after independence as the world is still recovering from WWII, the UIS can spend the first couple of decades on its own development. Lower defense budget means more money to spend on human resource development. Corruption is high in some states but the autonomous regions fare better in this regard. UIS is an industrial mammoth and if it uses its potential effectively it can create automotive and tech companies in the 1970s and 1980s to rival Japan. The manufacturing cost in UIS would steadily rise as the standard of living increases so, these companies start shifting their factories to China. The brain drain would also be lower as most UIS citizens would prefer to stay in their home country.

The UIS would start transforming from a soft giant to a major world player around late 1970s. The Cold War would still happen between US/NATO and USSR. UIS remains officially neutral but is more aligned towards US/NATO due to similar nature of governance. Soviet-Afgan War is unlikely to happen as the UIS would strongly oppose USSR's direct involvement into it's neighbor. This means no Afghan Mujahideen and Talibaan. Without the Soviet-Afghan War, the USSR squeezes out at least a decade more for its existence but ultimately it collapses.The UIS would probably fence the Durand Line and guard the border with Afghanistan. The other borders would have been relatively safe so major border force would be present along the Durand Line.

As mentioned before, due to lower brain drain the UIS establishes a domestic defense industry and is not dependent on anyone for its defense needs. It also has an excellent space program rivaling that of USA/NATO and Russia. The naval strength of UIS is also quite formidable and it has huge influence over major shipping lanes in the Indian Ocean. Due to its global influence UIS also has veto power in UNSC. After the fall of USSR, a new Cold War soon starts between USA and UIS. China is either on UIS's side or is neutral (more likely). So, in our present day we (UIS citizens) would be in a Cold War with USA.

To conclude, UIS is a major player in the present world locked in a Cold War with USA with China happily watching from the backdrop. It would be like USA of the East. Although like USA chances of a civil war were high in its early days but UIS overcame those obstacles and is now a global power. Thank you for reading the article. I might do a few more alternate history scenarios in the future. Take care!

PA


It was the Hindu Hatred towards Muslims that led to creation of Pakistan. If United India was to be so peaceful then why still there are Muslim lynching still going on. Hindu and Muslim cannot live together. Muslim scarifies cows while Hindu drink cow urine and worship them. They are bound to clash.
 
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It was the Hindu Hatred towards Muslims that led to creation of Pakistan. If United India was to be so peaceful then why still there are Muslim lynching still going on. Hindu and Muslim cannot live together. Muslim scarifies cows while Hindu drink cow urine and worship them. They are bound to clash.
It's an alternative history scenario. Please look at the key assumption in my original post.
 
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It's an alternative history scenario. Please look at the key assumption in my original post.

Yes its a fantasy, hiding from bitter reality that Shudar and Dillit exists in the society and Muslim exists with the same level as Dillat
 
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Partition was for the best but the bloodshed could have been avoided to a great extent.
The worldview of the majority of hindus and muslims is quite different.Their heroes are different,their stories are different,they dislike (sometimes even hate)each others cultural and religious practices.Muslim has contempt for indian civilization as a whole and seeks to replace india's identity with that of an imported culture from the middle eastern desert.This can never be acceptable to the hindus who view indic civilization and its values as superior and the essence of india.Hindus blame the muslims for attempting to destroy their civilization,while muslims are frustrated why hindus of india wont convert like all the rest in middle east and persia.The hindu is ashamed of his medieval defeat, the muslim of his complete fall from grace into weakness and humiliation in last 200-300 years and failure to convert india.They both have a chip on their shoulders.It can never work.A hindu and a muslim as individuals can get along,but as communities its very difficult.
A united indian states would indeed be a nightmare in a state of paralysis or civil war.For the hindus it would be a very big problem if they had to electorally deal with 600 million muslims as a voting bloc.200 million each divided into 3 groups none of whom can politically challenge them is much easier and manageable.Hindutva politics could never have become dominant in an united state.Partition was critical and allowed the consolidation of the hindu empire that the rss now seeks to build.Partition also put an end to the continuous flow of migrants from the north west into the indian heartland that had been going on for thousands of years.Economically the hindus are more productive and would not want to share the vast resources of india with pakistanis and bangladeshis.Policy wise they would pull in different directions and be at odds with each other.Its pointless.

Overall partition worked out relatively well.Hindus gave muslims the western muslim majority states and half of bengal and punjab and got rid of 2/3rd of them.The muslims got their own state in pakistan.Let them look towards the middle east and central asia for inspiration in accordance with their civilizational identity as they see it,while the hindus can look to consolidate the indian state within a dharmic ethos and revive their civilization.Going their own ways would have been for the best,but kashmir became a prestige issue and dragged out the thing.Thats the tragedy.As long as the nehruvian consensus dominated upper echelons of indian society it was still possible for some kind of disengagement,now that is no longer possible.

Partition was a correct decision and jinnah was right.It was beneficial for both hindus and muslims.If only the partition bloodshed and kashmir fiasco could have been avoided this mess would have been far less problematic.
 
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.Their heroes are different,their stories are different,they dislike (sometimes even hate)each others cultural and religious practices.Muslim has contempt for indian civilization as a whole and seeks to replace india's identity with that of an imported culture from the middle eastern desert.

Hindutvas booast of hindu temples in SEA and yet they cannot tolerate muslims because they have faith is scriptures which originated outside india.

This is just an excuse to make every indian citizen pure hindu, the various adivasi tribal people in india have been listed as ''hindus' even though their religion is different.

Buddhism also had different scriptures, dieties, rituals, im just curious why hindus rejected pali canon, tipitaka, jatakas etc? :lol:, why didn't they build stupas and worshipped lord Buddha?

If you insist on cultural uniformity, why not start with eliminating the dravidian languages, impose one language, india has always been multinational, where do you think hindu scriptures originate, north or south india?

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Undivided India won't be much better off. We would have more riots, and less wars.

The crux of the problem is the hatred between conservative Hindus and conservative Muslims. And social /lifestyle differences between them.

With increasing liberalism, you will see free movement between the countries in another hundred years. Tensions will ease one both countries are liberal - majority /non practicing.

Issues and solutions
1. Segregated communities =legally mandated mixed housing according to the proportion of the communities in the general population.
2. Animal slaughter in designated slaughterhouses only, or inside your own premises, without bothering others. Like every civilised (need I say, Western) country.
3. Forced religion =children should have every right to let go of their parent's faith/culture.
4. Interfaith marriage = without a shred of violence. Anyone opposing should be jailed. People violently opposed, should be hanged.
5. Casteism /untouchability =to be eradicated, under threat of heavy penalties.
 
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