Altay & Turkish Main Battle Tank Programs

[UzaySan]

Don't think it is Ukraine. Engines too weak for Altay.

We know it isn't Germany.


So Italy?

If I'm not mistaken the new engine in the Ariete produces 1.600hp.

Maybe CAT?

 

[Glass]

Someone was making fun of the Pre-Prototype Leopard armour packages developed by Roketsan. This is the refined version with the ERA blocks cut/pressed/molded to shape and covered by casings.
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So when will the leos undergo a modernization? The design looks fine.

 

[Khagan1923]

Maybe CAT?

Three options imo.

South Korea - Doosan DV27K 1500hp but their transmission didn't perform well years ago which led to them using their own engine together with Renk transmissions, maybe they fixed it.

Italy - IVECO MTCA 1600hp

England - No idea, maybe someone else knows more about English engines.

 

[UkroTurk]

Italy is like our secret strategic ally in Europe.

We just request and Italy provides What We want

Europe offered Eurofighter participation to Turkey over Italy.
MBDA offers Aster-30 participation over Italy.
Turkey apply Italian technology to develop domestic helicopter industry (both attack and utility)
Turkey developed more powerfull rocket motor for Italian aspide SAM missiles.
Turkey produces auxiliary jet motors for Italian Otomat anti-ship missiles
Italy outsourced AW-139 fuselage production to Turkey.
MKEK produces Italian guns for Turkish naval platforms
Italy helped RMK to design S&R vessel
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Both country don't like Greece.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkey-italy-future-defence-industry-opportunities.367365/

I didn't know iveco had such powerful engine.

 

[Ansu fati]

I think it’s Italy they seem to be the best option since they also collaborated with Turkey on the helicopter project
They are far more reasonable than other terror-loving european “allies” or should I say straight away enemies...
Great statement by @cabatli_53

 

[UkroTurk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252042135530061824

The guy claims Turkish MBT engine is based on Italians' mtca??

 

[UzaySan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252042135530061824

The guy claims Turkish MBT engine is based on Italians' mtca??

I heard it from some other source too and it sounds reasonable. Building an engine based on an existing one is easier than building from scratch.

 

[Ansu fati]

Actually news about italian engine appeared in November last year...
In February there were news about Germany supposedly giving green light for Altay engine later these news were denied
Maybe Turkey tried with the germans for one last time but when turks saw germans duplicity they activated plan B - italian option
I guess plan C was korean option and the plan D ukranian as last resort

 

[Timur]

I think going with the italians is good as they were reliable with atak program I see no harm in further projects

 

[Ansu fati]

I think going with the italians is good as they were reliable with atak program I see no harm in further projects

It’s a win win for both sides
We are talking about production of 1100 tanks at least(if we take current figure projection)

 

[UkroTurk]

İ always find Doblos beatiful than cold german caddies.

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

So it appears as if the engine problem is almost solved. I still hope that either Otokar or FNSS has a part to play in the project.

I don't want to turn this into something political but Otokar got absolutely robbed when the the future of the project was awarded to BMC. Both Otokar and FNSS have experience with tracked vehicles and their factories could build the Altay tank.

But instead it was given to BMC because of Ethem Sancak.

What many people like to forget is the fact that the project was held back an extra two years because BMC didn't have the experience or capabilities to produce tanks. If Otokar kept the project in their hands then we could've acquired the 1600HP IVECO engine sooner and started production two years ago.

I hope our projects never suffer again due to nepotism.

 

[TheMightyBender]

I want to thank god once again that the project was not awarded to Otokar.

Otokar was trying to rob the Turkish people by offering the contract for $7b while BMC agreed to $4b.

If we were living in one of the nepotistic governments of the past I am sure they would have awarded the project to Otokar and shared the profits.

Lets also not forget that the engine issue is a political one. And that it is independent of the companies.

 

[Nein]

I love Italian stuff so a V12 Altay!!!

Lets put a Ferrari V12 in it

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

I want to thank god once again that the project was not awarded to Otokar.

Otokar was trying to rob the Turkish people by offering the contract for $7b while BMC agreed to $4b.

If we were living in one of the nepotistic governments of the past I am sure they would have awarded the project to Otokar and shared the profits.

Lets also not forget that the engine issue is a political one. And that it is independent of the companies.

You're a legitimate Aktroll dude. The Turkish nation has been robbed of hundreds of billions by AKP. I hope you're glad that Turkish taxpayer money goes towards Erdoğan's palaces.

BMC offering 4 billion and actually delivering it for 4 billion are two entirely different things. As always project costs are much different once complete. Please keep your propaganda out of this thread. Even most AKP supporters agree that giving the contract to BMC was wrong. It made absolutely zero sense and was a classical and blatant case of nepotism.

Anyways I hope we see these beasts in the inventory soon.