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Leclerc Turret
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Leclerc storage compartments on Turret.
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Altay
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Bro, I made a littile research about Leclerc and It seems that total weight of tank is increased in parralel with developments. French engineers developed three different variant which is called as S-1 (54,5 tonnes), S2 (56,3 tonnes) and SXXI (57,6 tonnes). It is certain that weight rise is about the need of more protection. Do you know whether Those storage compartments are standart to all Leclerc variants? Because A six road wheel tank with a weight of 58 tonnes is a serious heaviness When It is compared with S-1 (54,5 tonnes).
 
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Need yet of one. :smart:




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Front side is completely protected by both the sensors marked in red
fyi front side of any tank is the most protected due to its make

what about threats from above sply against atgm like javlin

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turret is world class but i think platform needs improvement
 
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I'll repeat but this time i'll try to show it with photos... What about putting round shaped or original shaped AKKOR Radar top of ALTAY... It will search up... Any comments about this idea ?..

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Bro, I made a littile research about Leclerc and It seems that total weight of tank is increased in parralel with developments. French engineers developed three different variant which is called as S-1 (54,5 tonnes), S2 (56,3 tonnes) and SXXI (57,6 tonnes). It is certain that weight rise is about the need of more protection. Do you know whether Those storage compartments are standart to all Leclerc variants? Because A six road wheel tank with a weight of 58 tonnes is a serious heaviness When It is compared with S-1 (54,5 tonnes).

Yes those compartments are existent in all variants, even AZUR variant which weighs 60> tonnes. :O
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In this, you can see tools stored inside. Though the compartment has shrunk considerably.
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I'll repeat but this time i'll try to show it with photos... What about putting round shaped or original shaped AKKOR Radar top of ALTAY... It will search up... Any comments about this idea ?..

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All speculations aside, did they tell us how many Akkor Radars and Lauchers will be placed on Altay, so it might be very possible that there will be a Radar and Launcher looking towards sky, who knows?
 
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All speculations aside, did they tell us how many Akkor Radars and Lauchers will be placed on Altay, so it might be very possible that there will be a Radar and Launcher looking towards sky, who knows?

Yes...

Also i want to mention this... Especially in city clashes enemy can make top attack with 90 degrees from buildings etc...
 
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@ United, @ xxxKULxxx

The system AKKOR to Aselsan will be without any doubt equivalent similar to others APS (Trophy APS and KAPS - Korean Active Protection System -). It will also be able to intercept threats going to the top of the roof. It will provide full protection to a safe distance in a bubble 360 degrees all around the tank.

Trophy APS (Rafael)





The unique feature of the system is the fact that it is not only defensive but offensive as well. To intercept a threat heading toward the tank, the system analyzes its path, its speed but also the original location-shooting.

The origin of the shot will be immediately targeted to eliminate the threat by the Tank itself, others nearby Tanks support or air support (F-16, Atak T129 or Anka armed).


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Merkava 4 Equipped with Trophy Defeats an RPG on the First Combat Engagement of an Active Protection System

Mar 1, 2011

With the deployment of Merkava Mk 4 tanks equipped with Rafael Defense Systems’ Trophy (ASPRO-A) Active Protection Systems (APS) along the Gaza border last month (January 2011), that followed a Merkava tank being hit by a Kornet anti-tank missile fired by the Palestinians, battle testing of the Trophy APS was only a matter of time. Today (1st March 2011), the system was baphtized in combat, proving its worth in a first combat engagement with a hostile RPG, fired by Palestinain anti-tank team from Gaza. The system and crew performed exactly as expected, integrating automatic response to neutralize an immediate threat, rapid situational understanding and decision and forcible response, effectively eliminating the threat.

According to IDF sources, the Merkava tank was patrolling the border with Gaza, when a ‘missile launch’ was detected by the tank’s defensive system. Trophy uses the Elta System’s EL/M 2133 ‘WindGuard’ radar as the primary sensor detecting missiles and RPG threats. When such threat is classified by the system as ‘acute’ (aimeing directly at the protected vehicle), the system alerts the crew and tracks the missile closing-in on the tank. As the RPG enters the system’s kill-zone, Trophy automatically activates its hard kill countermeasure (Multiple Explosive Formed Penetrators – MEFP), destroying the threat at a safe distance from the tank. Some reports indicated the intercept was close enough to trigger the tank’s automatic fire ‘Spectronix’ protection, which have lead to Palestinian claims of actually hitting the tank. Shortly afterwards, IDF soldiers identified several terrorists in the launching area and fired in their direction, scoring a hit.

Such a procedure is inherently supported by the Trophy. Beside its role as the Trophy’s primary sensor, detecting the threat and calculating Time-to-Impact (TTI) and plotting the optimal intercept point, the Windguard radar also localizes the firing position of the missile being tracked, enabling the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) troops to rapidly engage active enemy positions, eliminating follow-up attacks on its armor.

During the Second Lebanon War in 2006 more than 40 tanks were hit, most of them by anti-tank missiles, repeatedly fired by Hezbollah from hidden positions that were difficult to detect by IDF tank crews. Following this conflict, the IDF accelerated the development of Active Protection Systems (APS), and is currently fielding the system with tank battalions, being equipped with new armored vehicles. This includes new Merkava Mk4 tanks being equipped with APS and the new Namer Infantry Fighting Vehicles which will also mount the system.

A different version of Rafael’s Trophy has recently completed a six-weeks test evaluation series on a Stryker Armored Fighting Vehicle, withstanding numerous missiles and rockets attacks. The test was conducted in collaboration with the U.S. Office of Secretary of Defense and the U.S. ARMY at Aberdeen Proving Ground, as part of an evaluation of domestic U.S. and foreign APS solutions. Rafael is also developing a compact vesion of the system called Trophy Light, being evaluated for use with U.S. MRAP All Terrain Vehicle (M-ATV). The system is also being evaluated for the protection of Israel Navy fast patrol boats, which, like the tanks, are exposed to RPG and missile attacks.

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Combatmaster could it be that the storage boxes of the leclerc are only used as storage in peacetime and when the need arises are used as with armour. Because it's not wise to use fully armoured vehicle ,the stress on the vehicle and the tracks. Same reason can be applied to Altay
 
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@madmusti @cabatli_53

You guys should use ignore button on each other or something. Also people should back up their claims with sources or some type of evidence if they are going to make a very bold statement. The insults make the situation worse too.
 
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Combatmaster could it be that the storage boxes of the leclerc are only used as storage in peacetime and when the need arises are used as with armour. Because it's not wise to use fully armoured vehicle ,the stress on the vehicle and the tracks. Same reason can be applied to Altay

That would tarnish the readiness state of the tanks, plus those tanks would have had to gone through trials static and mobile.

If we look at all previous versions of the Altay, we will see that they were all intended to get stowage compartments.

Infamous "futuristic shaped frontal armor" Altay Concept, Has storage compartments
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Mockup Turret on MTR has Storage compartments
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PTV turret has storage compartments, you can check previous posts for the illustrated images..

Could those storage compartments be unbolted for armor modules? SURE!
Anyway, I'm done with this subject :)
 
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That would tarnish the readiness state of the tanks, plus those tanks would have had to gone through trials static and mobile.

If we look at all previous versions of the Altay, we will see that they were all intended to get stowage compartments.

Infamous "futuristic shaped frontal armor" Altay Concept, Has storage compartments
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Mockup Turret on MTR has Storage compartments
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PTV turret has storage compartments, you can check previous posts for the illustrated images..

Could those storage compartments be unbolted for armor modules? SURE!
Anyway, I'm done with this subject :)

I wont rule out the possibility for this to be true. But unless there is direct proof its kinda pointless to talk about :)
 
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I wont rule out the possibility for this to be true. But unless there is direct proof its kinda pointless to talk about :)

I think you got it reversed matey, direct proof would make it pointless to talk about :) This way, it could swing either way, suppose my argument is too strong for anyone to counter it.. :)

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I think you got it reversed matey, direct proof would make it pointless to talk about :) This way, it could swing either way, suppose my argument is too strong for anyone to counter it.. :)

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I guess you got a point there. Just seems like the discussion was getting a little out of control with the swearing and what not :p
 
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