Altay Comparison to Competitors

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Ruskie does have a point, I posted an update on Armata tank. @Kamil_baku went haywire and started bashing it, now ruskie gone haywire..

See below;
Altay MBT Program | Page 97

 

[ptldM3]

Most of them were scuttled by ISIS after Iraqi crews fled and left the tank behind. Only 1 Challenger was penetrated in Iraq, and wasn't even knocked out. Merkava is overrated, but still much better than any Russian tank.

You don't know what you're talking about. Come back when Russia can make a tank that can survive a battle.

Plenty of western tank were destroyed during the Arab Israeli wars, the rare tank battles in Vietnam also seen western tank being knocked out, in fact if i remember correctly Vietnamese tanks knocked out more American tanks then visa versa. Notice that in both times the Soviet built tanks were facing western tanks of the same era. In Iraq Abrams were facing mostly Chinese built T-54/55 copies that dated back to the 1950s.

So i would not get too hyped up, it would be like T-72s going to war against old M-60 Paton tanks. Is that supposed to impress me?

 

[Hakan]

Buddy, it was Turks that started bashing the T-14, never said a thing about the Altay prior to Turks instigating a fight. In fact, I did not say a thing about the Altay until recently. So how am i a troll? You people started it and now you are mad because you are getting a taste of your own medicine, which is bitter apparently. You brought this on your self.






South Korean






Don't know enough about this but it would not surprise me if it was also foreign.







German






German

Motor is german for now untill the indigenous motor is developed (4-5 years)
Turkish Firm To Produce Tank Engine

Gun is german too but who cares when countries like the U.S and Japan use foreign guns, what's important is the ability to produce it domestically but it would be cool to say that it was designed in Turkey. Abrams uses a british gun, Abrams even uses British armor but no one goes around saying that the abrams is a british tank, but when it comes to Altay everyone is critical and says it is a licensed production tank etc. According to your logic Abrams is not American.

Fire control system is from aselsan. It was first developed for Leo 1 upgrades.

 

[era_shield]

Ruskie does have a point, I posted an update on Armata tank. @Kamil_baku went haywire and started bashing it, now ruskie gone haywire..

See below;
Altay MBT Program | Page 97

Russian tanks have a long history of being death traps with poor protection. Their protection levels are much lower than practically every Western tank. So if Armata is any different, they'll need to prove it in battle.

Our Russian friend just can't admit when he's wrong.

Plenty of western tank were destroyed during the Arab Israeli wars, the rare tank battles in Vietnam also seen western tank being knocked out, in fact if i remember correctly Vietnamese tanks knocked out more American tanks then visa versa. Notice that in both times the Soviet built tanks were facing western tanks of the same era. In Iraq Abrams were facing mostly Chinese built T-54/55 copies that dated back to the 1950s.

So i would not get too hyped up, it would be like T-72s going to war against old M-60 Paton tanks. Is that supposed to impress me?

In the other thread you were complaining that I was talking about Russian tanks from the 80s, here you are talking about tanks from the 60s.

The fact is the Abrams was made in the 80s and battle has shown that it survives against threats which knock out Russian tanks from the same period. Tanks from Ukraine are even newer, modernised in the 2000s, and that's another graveyard for Russian tanks.

You can keep quoting Wikipedia if you want but it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

 

[ptldM3]

Armata is a pretty good tank , taking crew protection into a new level
both Armata and Altay are great tanks and comparing the two is pointless.

Yes, i had a lot of respect for the Altay unfortunately for some reason most Turks started to bash the T-14 for no reason (i did not start this). For a long time i put up with those Turks, i only defended the Armata, and never said anything bad about the Atlay but i could only take so much. As a result i would not let the bashing go on forever, i will not sit back and let the insults fly. This did not need to happen but i did not choose the fight, the fight came to me.

I would like to get along but unfortunately there are about a dozen Turks that enjoy bashing the Armata, as long as they bash i will have to continue to defend my position even if it means attacking the Altay.

 

[Hakan]

Yes, i had a lot of respect for the Altay unfortunately for some reason most Turks started to bash the T-14 for no reason (i did not start this). For a long time i put up with those Turks, i only defended the Armata, and never said anything bad about the Atlay but i could only take so much. As a result i would not let the bashing go on forever, i will not sit back and let the insults fly. This did not need to happen but i did not choose the fight, the fight came to me.

I would like to get along but unfortunately there are about a dozen Turks that enjoy bashing the Armata, as long as they bash i will have to continue to defend my position even if it means attacking the Altay.

Tru dat. Tru dat.

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@Some turkish members
ptldM3 was just responding to comments and sometimes insults regarding the armata, now he is fairly reacting, people can look through the comments to see this, combat master put a picture of the armata then people made negative comments which ptldM3 responded to, after several pages he rightfully reacted with a similar attitude that was shown against him.

Armata and Altay just came out, there is not much to discuss. Foreigners will buy one or the other based on geopolitics most likely.

 

[ptldM3]

Russian tanks have a long history of being death traps with poor protection. Their protection levels are much lower than practically every Western tank. So if Armata is any different, they'll need to prove it in battle.

Our Russian friend just can't admit when he's wrong.

Read what i wrote earlier, when Soviet tanks faced western tanks of the same era, the results were not much different. The T-72 was clearly outclassed during desert storm but the Abrams was design to defeat the T-72. Moreover, most Iraqi tanks were not T-72's but kit builds and Chinese copies of all Soviet 1950s tanks.

In the other thread you were complaining that I was talking about Russian tanks from the 80s, here you are talking about tanks from the 60s.

I have no clue what you are talking.

The fact is the Abrams was made in the 80s and battle has shown that it survives against threats which knock out Russian tanks from the same period. Tanks from Ukraine are even newer, modernised in the 2000s, and that's another graveyard for Russian tanks.

You can keep quoting Wikipedia if you want but it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. You just can't admit when you're wrong.

Yes, the Abrams is a good tank and can survive RPG7s with little worries but so can the T-72. Most T-72's in Syria were destroyed by modern anti tank missiles that would knock out the best tanks in the world, plenty of T-72s have survived RPG7 hits. The Story in Ukraine different, Ukraine uses mostly old T-64 or T-62's and many have been knocked out by artillery/grad rockets and tank on tank battles.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Ruskie does have a point, I posted an update on Armata tank. @Kamil_baku went haywire and started bashing it, now ruskie gone haywire..

See below;
Altay MBT Program | Page 97

Bro, we have a proverb..
If you dont shit in front of those who fart, they gotta think that you didnt get ***(balls)
"Osturanin karshisina sichmasan, diyecekdir gotu yok"
I cant stand for those cocky people.. This kid should stop his childish behavior. I invited him to have professional discussion but he lives in another world..

 

[TeaParty]

 

[ptldM3]

Bro, we have a proverb..
If you dont shit in front of those who fart, they gotta think that you didnt get ***(balls)
"Osturanin karshisina sichmasan, diyecekdir gotu yok"
I cant stand for those cocky people.. This kid should stop his childish behavior. I invited him to have professional discussion but he lives in another world..

Look at post #96 even the Turkish moderator Hakan acknowledged that it is Turkish members that are at fault for the trolling and that i am responding "fairly".

This is what a moderator said:

@Some turkish members
ptldM3 was just responding to comments and sometimes insults regarding the armata, now he is fairly reacting, people can look through the comments to see this, combat master put a picture of the armata then people made negative comments which ptldM3 responded to, after several pages he rightfully reacted with a similar attitude that was shown against him.

Armata and Altay just came out, there is not much to discuss. Foreigners will buy one or the other based on geopolitics most likely

 

[BordoEnes]

Look at post #96 even the Turkish moderator Hakan acknowledged that it is Turkish members that are at fault for the trolling and that i am responding "fairly".

Mate again take a chill pill. Nobody really worth acknowledging said the Armata was bad by any means. To me its seems just that the Armata didnt live up to the expectations it was hyped for. I mean according to you this tank was set to surpass every other tank in its class, not match it. And truthfully from what we have seens so far it seems bogus to me. The turret seems to be the primary subject here.

 

[Yellow-place]

I took the whole Altay video at IDEF and put it to youtube as

ALTAY MBT (IDEF'15 full video)

It was really amazing... I hope we can see it originally very soon.

not: as i am a new member i couldn' put here the link, if someone could put it here, it might be better...

 

[mehmet75]

Our first and only national car with a national engine, had stoped just like armata. In its first parade in republic anniversary parade in 1961 i guess.

The car immediately had taken to parade square after it landed from train. But the think they didnt know is, it had no oil...

Those prototypes are still working. But that bad memory had used by big emperial firms and their media. Everybody thoght they were bad cars. And serial production has never happened.

We understand your situation dear russian friend, even better than you. But let us bash and smile for a while . It is fan..

 

[xenon54 out]

@Hakan pls close the pointless thread.

 

[cabatli_53]

Dude, We saw srategic product Russia introduced in victory day, are either broken down or on fire. WTF are you doing on those machines ?