Allowing Gaza-Egypt Border Crossings to Open, Israel Renders Its Blockade Useless

[EgyptianAmerican]

The official transfer control over the border crossings between the Gaza Strip and Egypt to the Palestinian unity government was marked by the playing of two anthems, the Palestinian and the Egyptian. By all rights, the Israeli national anthem should have been played as well, as the agreement over which Egypt has been slaving for the last couple of months wouldn’t have been born if Israel hadn’t agreed to it. In contrast to its usual policy, that it not only won’t cooperate with Hamas, but also not with a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas as well as Fatah, Israel is actually happy with the new arrangements.


This isn’t the only aspect of the situation in which Israel is ignoring parts of the agreement over the crossing points signed between Israel and the Palestinians in 2005. Even though Egypt, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas have said that management of the crossing points, particularly the opening of the Rafah crossing point between Gaza and Egypt, would have to be based on the 2005 agreement, this time the arrangements include no supervision by the European Union.

The arrangements when it comes to the supervision of the passage of goods and the movement of people over the border won’t be as set forth in the original agreement. That's particularly true at the Rafah border crossing, which is expected to open in a couple of weeks. The Egyptians aren’t bound by the original agreement because they weren’t signatories to it. They have therefore freed themselves of Israel’s terms for opening the crossing point.


The handing over of control of the border crossings to the Palestinian government, as part of the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah and the warming of relations between Egypt and Hamas puts Israel on the horns of a diplomatic and security dilemma. Israel finds itself cooperating with the Palestinian national unity government, despite its official position. (The Israeli excuse is that control over the crossing points would be in the hands of Palestinian Authority police, so the agreement is kosher, but the Palestinian police are working in full coordination with Hamas). The anticipated opening of the Rafah border crossing also renders any Israeli blockade of Gaza irrelevant.

Egypt, which had been Israel’s wholehearted partner in the blockade, is effectively withdrawing from its unwritten arrangement with Israel on the matter. It’s true that Egypt will continue to check the identity of the people passing through the Rafah crossing and will try to stop terrorists from moving between Gaza and Sinai. But when it comes to the economic punishment of Gaza as a means of crushing Hamas, Egypt is making a 180-degree turn, embracing Fatah-Hamas reconciliation, meaning that the Palestinian national unity government is seen as the entity responsible for the State of Palestine.

The transfer of control over the crossing points is just the first step in shaping a united Palestinian government, in the context of Palestinian and Egyptian recognition that a full peace agreement based on a two-state solution isn’t realistic as long as Israel remains controlled by an extreme right-wing government, and as long as the United States treats the peace process as light entertainment. Despite Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ statement that any united Palestinian government would have to recognize the State of Israel, obviously that doesn’t bind Hamas at this time, and it actually has no real implications.

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@Gomig-21

What do you guys think?

 

[HannibalBarca]

The official transfer control over the border crossings between the Gaza Strip and Egypt to the Palestinian unity government was marked by the playing of two anthems, the Palestinian and the Egyptian. By all rights, the Israeli national anthem should have been played as well, as the agreement over which Egypt has been slaving for the last couple of months wouldn’t have been born if Israel hadn’t agreed to it. In contrast to its usual policy, that it not only won’t cooperate with Hamas, but also not with a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas as well as Fatah, Israel is actually happy with the new arrangements.


This isn’t the only aspect of the situation in which Israel is ignoring parts of the agreement over the crossing points signed between Israel and the Palestinians in 2005. Even though Egypt, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas have said that management of the crossing points, particularly the opening of the Rafah crossing point between Gaza and Egypt, would have to be based on the 2005 agreement, this time the arrangements include no supervision by the European Union.

The arrangements when it comes to the supervision of the passage of goods and the movement of people over the border won’t be as set forth in the original agreement. That's particularly true at the Rafah border crossing, which is expected to open in a couple of weeks. The Egyptians aren’t bound by the original agreement because they weren’t signatories to it. They have therefore freed themselves of Israel’s terms for opening the crossing point.


The handing over of control of the border crossings to the Palestinian government, as part of the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah and the warming of relations between Egypt and Hamas puts Israel on the horns of a diplomatic and security dilemma. Israel finds itself cooperating with the Palestinian national unity government, despite its official position. (The Israeli excuse is that control over the crossing points would be in the hands of Palestinian Authority police, so the agreement is kosher, but the Palestinian police are working in full coordination with Hamas). The anticipated opening of the Rafah border crossing also renders any Israeli blockade of Gaza irrelevant.

Egypt, which had been Israel’s wholehearted partner in the blockade, is effectively withdrawing from its unwritten arrangement with Israel on the matter. It’s true that Egypt will continue to check the identity of the people passing through the Rafah crossing and will try to stop terrorists from moving between Gaza and Sinai. But when it comes to the economic punishment of Gaza as a means of crushing Hamas, Egypt is making a 180-degree turn, embracing Fatah-Hamas reconciliation, meaning that the Palestinian national unity government is seen as the entity responsible for the State of Palestine.

The transfer of control over the crossing points is just the first step in shaping a united Palestinian government, in the context of Palestinian and Egyptian recognition that a full peace agreement based on a two-state solution isn’t realistic as long as Israel remains controlled by an extreme right-wing government, and as long as the United States treats the peace process as light entertainment. Despite Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ statement that any united Palestinian government would have to recognize the State of Israel, obviously that doesn’t bind Hamas at this time, and it actually has no real implications.

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@Gomig-21

What do you guys think?

Not the first time neither last... till Palestine can't make an official country with "all" his branchs... and and draw a line of what belong to her or not... this crossing or any political peace around the block will be just dust in the eye...

Only two choice for this conflict...f ight or surrender till then nothing will change... one need to surrender... but like things are right now... nothing will change and could even be out of hand... even thou' we "feel" that the region is going toward stability... Chaos rise from a statut quo... not the way around...

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

this crossing or any political peace around the block will be just dust in the eye...

What do you feel would be best for Palestine?

 

[Gomig-21]

Egypt is making a 180-degree turn, embracing Fatah-Hamas reconciliation, meaning that the Palestinian national unity government is seen as the entity responsible for the State of Palestine.

I think it' great and it's about time. The reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah through Egyptian efforts has tweaked the Israelis because they never thought it would happen in a million years. Well, now it's here and Egypt is supporting it with this move so what do the Israelis do? Netanyahu comes out and says he'll never support a "fake" union between Hamas and Fatah. It's obvious these people don't want it and prefer the status quo since it insures their position as occupier and eventual controller. Once they give the Palestinians complete sovereignty (whatever that might mean), the west bank and Jerusalem will become the next step and that threatens the Jewish settlements that have been going up at an unprecedented pace. That's the last thing they want and why Bibi took a page from Trump and called it a "fake" reconciliation.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What is best for Palestine is a Russian base in Gaza and other Palestinian region

 

[HannibalBarca]

I think it' great and it's about time. The reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah through Egyptian efforts has tweaked the Israelis because they never thought it would happen in a million years. Well, now it's here and Egypt is supporting it with this move so what do the Israelis do? Netanyahu comes out and says he'll never support a "fake" union between Hamas and Fatah. It's obvious these people don't want it and prefer the status quo since it insures their position as occupier and eventual controller. Once they give the Palestinians complete sovereignty (whatever that might mean), the west bank and Jerusalem will become the next step and that threatens the Jewish settlements that have been going up at an unprecedented pace. That's the last thing they want and why Bibi took a page from Trump and called it a "fake" reconciliation.

Not the first time they "reconciliate" neither the last... till palestine is divided by two opposition force each one of them will fight for their own agenda..;whatever may be the palestinian situation toward Israel...

What do you feel would be best for Palestine?

If I have to choose with what I have right now with our regional conditions... since Arabs "GOV" are fed up and most of them under foreign influence to maintain their chair... Palestine is doomed... so I will suggest to surrender make it into one country and then take it by numbers... since if Palestine merge with Israel so does her population... and then you will get more Muslims in Israel than jews... give it 1-2 generation and it's back into arab hands... ( that's why John Kerry said this sentence "Israel can be Jewish or democratic — not both

BUT Zionist entities knows it... even thou' they want a one state... they fear the idea of muslims outnumbering jews.. that's why they are using today strategy to drive muslims/palestinians OUT of the country by imposing harsh conditions of living... and encouraging "Alyha" ( coming back of jews ) to give a chance by the numbers to jews...

PS: it's just a game of time and number... nothing else... In the End Whatever the outcome... and the name of "this" country... it will be incorporated into the region and be a part of it and even "with" it... As I said... History is our only witness for our future...

PS2: the only condition for the region to not allow this... will be like 800-900 years ago... someone need to conquer all the region... and then they will be out... till then with " our multitude" of state the outcome will be surrending and incorporation...

 

[Gomig-21]

Not the first time they "reconciliate" neither the last... till palestine is divided by two opposition force each one of them will fight for their own agenda..;whatever may be the palestinian situation toward Israel...

But this is unprecedented, though, you must admit. There hasn't been this much love between the two -- who are actually one -- since Hamas was elected in Ghaza. The geographic separation doesn't help them whatsoever. As a matter of fact, it works against them because of that exact fact, it separates them. Even if by some miracle there is a truly sovereign Palestinian country (and I say 'country' and not state because that's what it should be called), then they will still have dividing issues because of the geographic separation between the West Bank and Ghaza.

I said this on another forum (many, many years ago) for people to show me any other country that is divided in two, separate geographic sections. There isn't one. This makes it 10X harder for them not only to achieve a recognized autonomy, but to stay united within themselves. The adversity the Palestinian people have been dealing with is unimaginable. Rabenna Yefregha Aleihum.

 

[Muhammed45]

The official transfer control over the border crossings between the Gaza Strip and Egypt to the Palestinian unity government was marked by the playing of two anthems, the Palestinian and the Egyptian. By all rights, the Israeli national anthem should have been played as well, as the agreement over which Egypt has been slaving for the last couple of months wouldn’t have been born if Israel hadn’t agreed to it. In contrast to its usual policy, that it not only won’t cooperate with Hamas, but also not with a Palestinian unity government that includes Hamas as well as Fatah, Israel is actually happy with the new arrangements.


This isn’t the only aspect of the situation in which Israel is ignoring parts of the agreement over the crossing points signed between Israel and the Palestinians in 2005. Even though Egypt, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas have said that management of the crossing points, particularly the opening of the Rafah crossing point between Gaza and Egypt, would have to be based on the 2005 agreement, this time the arrangements include no supervision by the European Union.

The arrangements when it comes to the supervision of the passage of goods and the movement of people over the border won’t be as set forth in the original agreement. That's particularly true at the Rafah border crossing, which is expected to open in a couple of weeks. The Egyptians aren’t bound by the original agreement because they weren’t signatories to it. They have therefore freed themselves of Israel’s terms for opening the crossing point.


The handing over of control of the border crossings to the Palestinian government, as part of the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah and the warming of relations between Egypt and Hamas puts Israel on the horns of a diplomatic and security dilemma. Israel finds itself cooperating with the Palestinian national unity government, despite its official position. (The Israeli excuse is that control over the crossing points would be in the hands of Palestinian Authority police, so the agreement is kosher, but the Palestinian police are working in full coordination with Hamas). The anticipated opening of the Rafah border crossing also renders any Israeli blockade of Gaza irrelevant.

Egypt, which had been Israel’s wholehearted partner in the blockade, is effectively withdrawing from its unwritten arrangement with Israel on the matter. It’s true that Egypt will continue to check the identity of the people passing through the Rafah crossing and will try to stop terrorists from moving between Gaza and Sinai. But when it comes to the economic punishment of Gaza as a means of crushing Hamas, Egypt is making a 180-degree turn, embracing Fatah-Hamas reconciliation, meaning that the Palestinian national unity government is seen as the entity responsible for the State of Palestine.

The transfer of control over the crossing points is just the first step in shaping a united Palestinian government, in the context of Palestinian and Egyptian recognition that a full peace agreement based on a two-state solution isn’t realistic as long as Israel remains controlled by an extreme right-wing government, and as long as the United States treats the peace process as light entertainment. Despite Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ statement that any united Palestinian government would have to recognize the State of Israel, obviously that doesn’t bind Hamas at this time, and it actually has no real implications.

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@Gomig-21

What do you guys think?

Well, bro, you know my stance about Israel. I don't even recognize them as humans, so never mind.

But as far as i know, there is an effort from Egyptian government for a two state resolution. If you or Egyptians truly want that to take place, a leverage is needed. Perhaps an Egyptian base in Gaza possibly a naval base and at least a lily-pod in west bank! maybe?!!
BTW Israelis ,without an strong position or an opposition-side, wouldn't end occupation and settlement of Zionist families. Only in that case they will comply/obey your resolution.



If you ask about my own idea, i say you attack them from west, Lebanese from north, we and Syrians from east and Gazan from their south for a revenge.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Perhaps an Egyptian base in Gaza possibly a naval base and at least a lily-pod in west bank! maybe?!!

Israel could use that as a potential casus belli for war so you would have to be really careful with that.

without an strong position or an opposition-side, wouldn't end occupation and settlement of Zionist families.

I agree

If you ask about my own idea, I say you attack them from the west, Lebanese from the north, we and Syrians from east and Gazan from their south for a revenge.

so I will suggest to surrender make it into one country and then take it by numbers... since if Palestine merge with Israel so does her population... and then you will get more Muslims in Israel than jews... give it 1-2 generation and it's back into arab hands...

So we need to force Israel to be democratic. How ironic.

 

[HannibalBarca]

But this is unprecedented, though, you must admit. There hasn't been this much love between the two -- who are actually one -- since Hamas was elected in Ghaza. The geographic separation doesn't help them whatsoever. As a matter of fact, it works against them because of that exact fact, it separates them. Even if by some miracle there is a truly sovereign Palestinian country (and I say 'country' and not state because that's what it should be called), then they will still have dividing issues because of the geographic separation between the West Bank and Ghaza.

I said this on another forum (many, many years ago) for people to show me any other country that is divided in two, separate geographic sections. There isn't one. This makes it 10X harder for them not only to achieve a recognized autonomy, but to stay united within themselves. The adversity the Palestinian people have been dealing with is unimaginable. Rabenna Yefregha Aleihum.

Gaza is what we should call " a survival enclave" Therefore will never get peace whatever reconciliation they have... since it's under blockade. Lift the blockade and give him every infrastucture access ( port/airport) and THEN only at this moment you will have a "true" reconciliation, till then..; everything will be only a matter of time... OR make gaza a part of a country... like giving it to Egypt.

THe palestinian country/state is already doomed, it doesn't have a full territory integrity anymore... it's an accumulation of enclaves/jewish settlements nothing more... like a cancer cells...

And BY any chance Palestine GET his full integrity and his statehood... Israel WILL NEVER let it have a defence corp or any military possiblities... none.

ANd it will be around other countries... therefore will beg them to let it survive... like the Kurdistan "problematic"... (as for those saying, brothers are around them and therefore will never block them... just remember Gaza and his yoyo political border crossing with egypt... and the Palestinian refugees in those so called brotherly arab nations... who till this day after decades... have not legal status and still live in " refugee camps")

In the End, 3 solutions at this problem: 1/ SUrrender and win it back after 1-2 Generations 2/ Get it annexed by other countries around like Egypt/Jordan and last Solution Fight till your last breath ALL together.

And if by any chance a Palestinian member see this, just remember:" No one will help, whoever they are, your suffering was/is and will be used by Narcissit/arrogant/corrupted gov for their own agendas, no Brotherly muslim countries will help you none, whoever they may scream about it around the world or in your ears, THEY WILL NOT!

Till, that one day when the people will search for justice/equality/order among themselfs... and topple their shitty gov... It's like asking your big brother to protect you against bullies in schoool when he is himself bullied and can't protect himself... At Home,he will tell you to be strong and that he loves you... but when he is, himself againt his nightmare, he will piss his pants and will forget his own moral code..;just to have "peace" in his shitty life...

So we need to force Israel to be democratic. How ironic.

That's the dilema for them being Jewish or Democratic.
Most of them will choose Democratic regime... since the majority feel jewish by "ethnicity" (even if it's not rly true to say that) and not religiously. A lot of arabs think that ISrael are all made of hardcore jews... but the reality is quite the opposite, it's just that radicals scream louder and play on fear. Israel has jewish only the name... Most of them do not see Israel has a place to die for, most have double nationalities, therefore a safeplace to flew in case of.

One thing for the jewish ppl... You were special & strong throughout history because of you capacity to adapt and be everywhere in every circle of any civilisations... Today you became normal with this state of Israel... your legend has ended... cya

 

[bdslph]

hhahaha it doesnot matter if ISrael calls and says to close Egypt border and Egypt shall and will do it