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Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships

The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period

Two paragraphs dedicated to the idea that the GoI sources are stating misinformation.
Like I said, things become unclear once the ICG arrives on the scene, we cannot- NONE OF US, know what happened when the ICG vessel arrived on the scene but that is rather meaningless.

I am more inclined to believe the word of the ICG though.

This doesn't change the fact intercepts were made AND these fellows were engaged in some illicit activity meaning the use of force is likely to have been justified- we don't know how the contact went down.

I am certainly not going to shed any tears for these smugglers who could just as easily one day be commissioned by Pakistan terror groups to transport something other than diesel (if this was even what they were transporting) into India. That the ICG with help from the NRTO eliminated these guys is a HUGE plus.

JOB WELL DONE CHAPS.
 
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yet more conspiracy theories,let's not get ahead of ourselves & let a proper Investigation be done

No conspiracy theory, just stating possibility as your forces are notorious of using this kind of tricks to earn gallantry awards.

You and your media and your govt. alike didn't wait for proper investigation?
 
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Doubts mount over India’s claims of destroying ‘terror boat’ from Pakistan | The Indian Express

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An aerial view of the fishing boat carrying explosives before being intercepted by Indian Coast Guard approximately 365 km off Porbander in Gujarat, on Wednesday. The boat eventually drowned after being set on fire by crew members. (Source: PTI Photo)
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Posted: January 2, 2015 10:00 pm | Updated: January 3, 2015 1:40 pm

Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters, new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers, ferrying bootleg cargo from the port of Gwadar to other fishing boats which were to have carried it into Karachi’s Keti Bandar harbour.

There is also a suggestion of use of disproportionate force since the fishing boat did not have an engine capable of outrunning Indian interceptors.

In a press release, the Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.

Highly-placed government sources, however, said the intelligence had no link to terrorism, and made no reference to any threat to India. Instead, the sources said, the National Technical Research Organisation had intercepted mobile phone traffic involving small-time smugglers operating out of the fishing port of Keti Bandar, near Karachi.

The report, the sources said, was issued directly to the Coast Guard and Navy by a mid-level NTRO official in violation of systems which mandate that any possible threat must be shared with all relevant services, including the Intelligence Bureau, the Research and Analysis Wing, and the Border Security Force. Naval headquarters, the sources said, chose not to deploy ships in response to the intelligence, noting that it did not involve any threat to national security. However, the Coast Guard scrambled at least one interceptor from Porbandar, which was seen leaving dock by local fishermen late on the night of New Year’s Eve. A senior Gujarat Police official said that the Coast Guard did not share the information with the state police which also has interceptor boats and coastal police stations meant to interdict coastal trafficking. Maharashtra Police officials also said they were given no information on a maritime operation underway on December 31, and expressed surprise since the state has several landing points and jetties that could be used by a boat carrying explosives to India’s western seaboard. “You don’t need to be a genius to figure out we should have been told,” the official said, “because if the fishing boat was actually carrying explosives and managed to evade patrols on the seas, we should have been in position waiting for it.”

In its press release, the Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships. Photographs released to media showed only fire damage to the ship’s hull, which would have blown apart had incendiary munitions, such as grenades or ammunition, been on board. Plastic explosive does not ordinarily explode in fires, and only chemical analysis can detect if it was on board. Ministry sources said the Coast Guard has not retrieved debris from the area for forensic analysis. The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period. Six years after 26/11: Broken bomb scanner, rusting bikes, no firing range Local fishermen said they had not seen the fire on December 31— raising the prospect that the incident may have occurred in international waters, some distance from the thousands of Indian and Pakistani fishing boats in the area. “I’ve been talking to our people in the area”, said Narsibhai Jungi Jadeja, the head of the Porbandar fishing boat owners’ association, “and everyone insists they didn’t see a thing. That surprises me, because a fire at night would be visible many nautical miles away”. “I just hope the government clears up the mystery over this, because if any Pakistani fishermen have been killed, the Pakistan navy will take vengeance on us,” he said. Saeed Baloch, the head of the Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum, said he was investigating the identity of the destroyed boat, but had no immediate details. “Hundreds of people go out to sea every day, and it is impossible for us to keep track of all of them. I just hope some poor people trying to make a living have not been killed,” he said





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So essentially, what I was saying is right all along.. a trigger happy Indian coast guard killed a bunch of smugglers(or perhaps even just poor fishermen) and then cooked up this massive lie to cover their heavy handed and rather dismal response.

A lie has very small legs

- The video shows no such "dangerous" sea conditions
- The weather was not that bad so that no one could be recovered( Did the Indian Coast Guard LET people die in the sea??..watch as they screamed for help or worse gun them down??)
- No "explosives" other than bad quality diesel( bought cheap from Gwadar perhaps)

Was all of this concocted lie a cover up for what is essentially murder at sea?

@Xeric @araz @niaz @Irfan Baloch @Donatello @Horus


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items brought from Gwadar - diesel - does gwadar have refinery / depots

why would a boat originating in gwadar and with end point as karachi be found in open seas in indian waters which are way south west of karachi ?
 
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The vessels were in regular contact with Pakistan's maritime agency and the army.
The occupants of the two explosives-laden boats from Karachi which had entered the Indian waters off Gujarat had plans to carry out a 26/11 type attack in Porbandar city, the officials probing the incident said.

The National Technical Research Organization (NTRO), which had recorded the radio communication between the two boats, revealed that the terrorists had plans to repeat 26/11 carnage in Porbandar.

According to the transcripts of radio communication between NTRO and the Indian Coast Guard accessed by Aaj Tak show that both the vessels were in regular contact with Pakistan's maritime agency and the army.


After the NTRO alerted the coast guard, an intensive hunt was launched for the vessels. But around 5 a.m. on December 31, one of the boats exploded when the coast guard tried to intercept it. It is believed that the crew of the boat may have set off the blast to destroy any evidence.

There is, however, so far no information on the occupants of the boat.

A conversation recorded from the second boat said the boat, which was destroyed, has done its work and has handed over the things to the other boat, but it had to return back as it developed a hole in it.

The coast guard is still in search of the second boat.

The probe so far has revealed that the boat which exploded had explosives on board, evident from the bright light emitted after the blast.

Meanwhile, heavy shelling by Pakistani forces on the border in Jammu and Kashmir continued for the fourth day on Saturday.

A woman was killed and eight other civilians were injured as Pakistani troops targeted villages and 13 border outposts with heavy mortar shelling in Kathua and Samba districts of the state.
The fresh ceasefire violations have triggered migration from border villages and over 1,000 people have been evacuated from hamlets in Samba and Kathua district, officials said.

The latest round of firing by Pakistan which started on New Year eve has left two persons dead, including a BSF jawan, and nine injured while five Pakistani Rangers have been killed in retaliatory firing by India.

It comes barely two months after the last major escalation that left 13 people dead and displaced 32,000 border residents.
@sreekumar @Echo_419 @ares


Porbandar boat blast: Pak army was in control of 2 explosives-laden vessels, say officials : India, News - India Today

So it's clear that their was a co ordination between 2 boats & also regular communication between the 2 boats & Pak handlers ( allegedly Pak Army) .. So it's clear beyond any doubt that they were not fishermen but people with dubious intention, who were on the ship .(allegedly terrorists/smugglers)
 
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GoI sources are stating misinformation.
so your 'open source' met data sources completely and beyond the shadow of a doubt refute what official sources have stated ?

the seas can be very unpredictable off the coast of Gujarat.
 
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Like I said, things become unclear once the ICG arrives on the scene, we cannot- NONE OF US, know what happened when the ICG vessel arrived on the scene but that is rather meaningless.

I am more inclined to believe the word of the ICG though.

This doesn't change the fact intercepts were made AND these fellows were engaged in some illicit activity meaning the use of force is likely to have been justified- we don't know how the contact went down.

I am certainly not going to shed any tears for these smugglers who could just as easily one day be commissioned by Pakistan terror groups to transport something other than diesel (if this was even what they were transporting) into India. That the ICG with help from the NRTO eliminated these guys is a HUGE plus.

JOB WELL DONE CHAPS.

The weather reports and weather becomes unclear? Are you saying that there is unreliable weather coverage over the Indian ocean or that even the latest weather reports are unclear?

What is the point of having INSAT-2E or Oceansat if their reports to the Indian meteorological commission are unreliable?
 
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How exactly is this a "massive screwup"? The ICG did their job- protected India's national security and upheld the laws of India.

A massive screwup is when you shoot first and find out that you ended up shooting a bunch of small time smugglers without granting them even the decency of a trial. Which is when fantastic stories of setting the boat on fire and hiding inside to commit self-immolation come up.
 
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If these people are confirmed to be poor fisherman, expect the PN to retaliate by killing indian fisherman.

Pakistan shouldn't get down to the level of "peace and freedom loving super democracy" India.
No one innocent deserves to be harmed because other Indians are evidently screwing up and it should be by all means avoided.
 
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Well, on a side note but relevant on topic. I definitely feel that terrorism emitting from Pakistan from India has been significantly reduced. I am not sure about the reasons but I feel that Pakistan has made some efforts on this front. However I see that Indians are more hyper about terrorism now than they were when the incidents were way higher. I feel that there might be a need in change in attitude from our side. I see some changes from Pakistani side and it might be too soon to acknowledge by government, but at least we should do it on forum.
Please, once the Americans are out of Afghanistan and the pressure is reduced on the Pakistanis deep state the flow will once again be a torrent. Do not discount the herculean efforts by the Indian security forces in during up India's borders (along the LoC and now on India's coastal borders). The colossal effort (billions of USD) has paid off and is, in part, why you see the terror risk to India from Pakistan reduced these days.

India and Indians can't afford to get complacent and adopt a "all is well" outlook vis a vis Pakistan. I am not tarnishing all of Pakistan or all Pakistanis but whatever way you cut it there remains a strong anti-Indian sentiment there and whilst this is true of the anti-Pakistan sentiment in India, the difference is the Pakistani deep state is involved in actively targeting India through the use of proxies.

It is good Indians are "hyper" about terrorism, if India wants to be a safe place this is what needs to happen. Americans are hyper about terrorism and they haven't had a terror attack on their soil since 9/11.
 
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A massive screwup is when you shoot first and find out that you ended up shooting a bunch of small time smugglers without granting them even the decency of a trial. Which is when fantastic stories of setting the boat on fire and hiding inside to commit self-immolation come up.
warning shots were not heeded, and coupled with the intelligence intercepts...
 
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A massive screwup is when you shoot first and find out that you ended up shooting a bunch of small time smugglers without granting them even the decency of a trial. Which is when fantastic stories of setting the boat on fire and hiding inside to commit self-immolation come up.
Well this is pure conjecture sir, none of us know (including this journalist) what happened between that patrol ship and trawler.

Considering the ICG intercepts and arrests hundreds of illegal fishermen and smugglers every year one has to wonder what exactly was different this time? If it was clear this 'shoot first" policy was official then there would be hundreds of similar instances every year. This leads to the logical assumption that something was different in this incident and these smugglers did something abnormal....

The weather reports and weather becomes unclear? Are you saying that there is unreliable weather coverage over the Indian ocean or that even the latest weather reports are unclear?

What is the point of having INSAT-2E or Oceansat if their reports to the Indian meteorological commission are unreliable?
This weather issue is a tangent in itself and pretty irrelevant to the narrative both I and the MoD have outlined. It could have been a perfect clear summer's day and this contact still would have been 100% justified. What matters is what the smugglers did to provoke the use of lethal force by the ICG, this question remains unanswered and neither of us can answer this with any degree of certainty.

Only those onboard the trawler/suspicious vessel and the ICG patrol ship know, given the ICG is a professional force with a proven track record of arresting wrong doers where possible I am inclined to believe their version of events.
 
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Doubts mount over India’s claims of destroying ‘terror boat’ from Pakistan | The Indian Express

boat-l.jpg
An aerial view of the fishing boat carrying explosives before being intercepted by Indian Coast Guard approximately 365 km off Porbander in Gujarat, on Wednesday. The boat eventually drowned after being set on fire by crew members. (Source: PTI Photo)
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Posted: January 2, 2015 10:00 pm | Updated: January 3, 2015 1:40 pm

Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters, new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers, ferrying bootleg cargo from the port of Gwadar to other fishing boats which were to have carried it into Karachi’s Keti Bandar harbour.

There is also a suggestion of use of disproportionate force since the fishing boat did not have an engine capable of outrunning Indian interceptors.

In a press release, the Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.

Highly-placed government sources, however, said the intelligence had no link to terrorism, and made no reference to any threat to India. Instead, the sources said, the National Technical Research Organisation had intercepted mobile phone traffic involving small-time smugglers operating out of the fishing port of Keti Bandar, near Karachi.

The report, the sources said, was issued directly to the Coast Guard and Navy by a mid-level NTRO official in violation of systems which mandate that any possible threat must be shared with all relevant services, including the Intelligence Bureau, the Research and Analysis Wing, and the Border Security Force. Naval headquarters, the sources said, chose not to deploy ships in response to the intelligence, noting that it did not involve any threat to national security. However, the Coast Guard scrambled at least one interceptor from Porbandar, which was seen leaving dock by local fishermen late on the night of New Year’s Eve. A senior Gujarat Police official said that the Coast Guard did not share the information with the state police which also has interceptor boats and coastal police stations meant to interdict coastal trafficking. Maharashtra Police officials also said they were given no information on a maritime operation underway on December 31, and expressed surprise since the state has several landing points and jetties that could be used by a boat carrying explosives to India’s western seaboard. “You don’t need to be a genius to figure out we should have been told,” the official said, “because if the fishing boat was actually carrying explosives and managed to evade patrols on the seas, we should have been in position waiting for it.”

In its press release, the Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships. Photographs released to media showed only fire damage to the ship’s hull, which would have blown apart had incendiary munitions, such as grenades or ammunition, been on board. Plastic explosive does not ordinarily explode in fires, and only chemical analysis can detect if it was on board. Ministry sources said the Coast Guard has not retrieved debris from the area for forensic analysis. The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period. Six years after 26/11: Broken bomb scanner, rusting bikes, no firing range Local fishermen said they had not seen the fire on December 31— raising the prospect that the incident may have occurred in international waters, some distance from the thousands of Indian and Pakistani fishing boats in the area. “I’ve been talking to our people in the area”, said Narsibhai Jungi Jadeja, the head of the Porbandar fishing boat owners’ association, “and everyone insists they didn’t see a thing. That surprises me, because a fire at night would be visible many nautical miles away”. “I just hope the government clears up the mystery over this, because if any Pakistani fishermen have been killed, the Pakistan navy will take vengeance on us,” he said. Saeed Baloch, the head of the Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum, said he was investigating the identity of the destroyed boat, but had no immediate details. “Hundreds of people go out to sea every day, and it is impossible for us to keep track of all of them. I just hope some poor people trying to make a living have not been killed,” he said





Comment:
So essentially, what I was saying is right all along.. a trigger happy Indian coast guard killed a bunch of smugglers(or perhaps even just poor fishermen) and then cooked up this massive lie to cover their heavy handed and rather dismal response.

A lie has very small legs

- The video shows no such "dangerous" sea conditions
- The weather was not that bad so that no one could be recovered( Did the Indian Coast Guard LET people die in the sea??..watch as they screamed for help or worse gun them down??)
- No "explosives" other than bad quality diesel( bought cheap from Gwadar perhaps)

Was all of this concocted lie a cover up for what is essentially murder at sea?

@Xeric @araz @niaz @Irfan Baloch @Donatello @Horus

Blaming Pakistan is first priority of indian media whether this boat incident or PK movie
 
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