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All you want to know about K-15 and shoriya

Thats not re-entry, its a descent in the same atmosphere.
More, the laws and principles of physics dont change with the time.
BTW, what is the difference between a wikipedia and his articles - same shik.

Its not decent...its reentry since DPT powers the missile through entire missile regime unlike ballistic missile...

What crap are you talking about....most of his articles are quoted in wiki ...as far as i know - he has not copy pasted any article...unlike chor gupta..ask about his involvement in BR - you will adequate answers...If you dont understand and you dont know then better to shut up than talk crap...
 
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And your source if info is?

The article writer had posted a very long list of referrences he took from various publications to write this article and for that reason looks credible...

What kind of source do you need... Its well known fact that 200KT Boosted fission warhead was available from 80s.... and weighed 800kg which has been replaced by a Thermonuclear design of 200KT yield which weights only 270Kg.[Its small version with 50KT yield was tested in 1998 outcome was around 45KT].

ShaktiBomb340c15.jpg


Tested version yield 50KT thermonuclear-

India has 300KT Thermonuclear warhead used on Agni III... and is developing a 450KT warhead for future missiles like Agni-5 and Agni-6.
 
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This loony chap Arun was, once upon a time, Moderator, who was beaten up black and white by other superiors and he had to run for his life. He knows nothing, just gets the clips from newspapers and puts up an article....

Look at his following absurd post:



So this stupido does not even know the meaning of re-entry. Because this particular missile is not leaving the atmosphere first of all, how would it re-enter?

RE-ENTRY DEFINITION:



Thats the reason he was kicked to the curb, by BR policemen.

In that case the OP is not worthy of being discussed
 
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What kind of source do you need... Its well known fact that 200KT Boosted fission warhead was available from 80s.... and weighed 800kg which has been replaced by a Thermonuclear design of 200KT yield which weights only 270Kg.[Its small version with 50KT yield was tested in 1998 outcome was around 45KT].

ShaktiBomb340c15.jpg


Tested version yield 50KT thermonuclear-

India has 300KT Thermonuclear warhead used on Agni III... and is developing a 450KT warhead for future missiles like Agni-5 and Agni-6.

That is a lot of new information (atleast to me).

Can you please provide the sources for these also.
 
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That is a lot of new information (atleast to me).

Can you please provide the sources for these also.

Go and read about Shakti-1998 Tests.

Last part is what I got from few sources.. and there is no link for that.
 
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Go and read about Shakti-1998 Tests.

Last part is what I got from few sources.. and there is no link for that.

I know about Shakti tests.

I was more interested in source for the weight v/s yield of our nuke weapons
 
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It is not "shoriya".. it is "shaurya".

Seriously man, get your spelling right.
 
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K-15 missile as ASBM – “Brahmastra”

In this article I will explore the possibility of developing the K-15 missile into a submarine launched anti-shipping ballistic missile (ASBM). I believe this can be achieved and that once completed it will provide the Indian Navy with a true “Brahmastra” (in indian mythology it is described as a deadliest weapon created by Brahma), a massive unstoppable area denial weapon. It will be even more effective than the much touted Chinese DF-21D due to submarine launch platform and hence hidden till the moment of launch. I shall try and explore both the promise and the practical possibility of such a weapon system in this article.

Consider the following hypothetical scenario: Its year 2022, crucial negotiations between India and China are taking place after frequent border skirmishes and military stand-off at Indo-China border near Tawang of Arunachal Pradesh for past 3 years. Under the overhang of heightened tensions in Tawang region negotiations breakup and on a balmy morning in early 2022, to force the hand of India on Tawang, China sends the PLAN “Shi Lang” Carrier Battle Group (CBG) into the southern Indian Ocean as part of a naval offensive against the Indian Navy. At the heart of this battle group is the “Liaoning” the PLAN carrier which is protected against aerial strikes by her complement of J-15 “Flying Shark” Fighters which provide Combat Air Patrol (CAP) over the carrier and her escorts of three Sovremenny destroyers to take on surface threats, four Type-052C destroyers providing a formidable SAM cover to the group as well as four 054A frigates and a single 093 class SSN screening the seas 300 kilometers ahead of the battle group.

The Indian Navy is ordered to decapitate this group in a single decisive strike with minimal losses to ships and equipment and the decision to use the “Brahmastra” is finalised. Within minutes a coded message was sent to the second ARIHANT class SSBN on patrol in the southern Bay of Bengal only 600km from the PLAN fleet and six K-15 missiles soon broke the surface of the sea and arched southwards towards the “Liaoning” CBG. Travelling at hypersonic velocities the six missiles closed the gap in a matter of minutes, the HQ-9 systems of the Type-052C fired furiously trying to neutralize the missile warheads as they arched down from the sky, two warheads were hit but then the sea shook as the “Liaoning” was thrown backwards by the massive force of a 1000 kilos unitary warhead exploding on impact upon its flight deck while a second hit the superstructure midships. The third warhead exploded in mid-air 200 feet to the right between two Sovremenny destroyers, the force of the blast causing the entire superstructure of both vessels to collapse while breaking in half a 054A frigate close to these vessels. The fourth fell directly on top of a Type-052C breaking the ship into two halves and blowing massive holes in two adjacent Frigates with the force of the blast and gutting the superstructure of another 052C a few hundred feet away.
When the smoke cleared, two Sovremenny destroyers and three 054A frigates had sunk apart from two 052s, the Liaoning itself was sinking fast, for all practical intents and purposes PLAN CBG “Shi Lang” was no more”.

The practical aspect of “Brahmastra”

Now that we have indulged ourselves and enjoyed the scenario presented above let us come to the practicality of creating such a missile. Can we do it? Is it feasible to develop the K-15 missile into an ASBM? Let us look at the pieces required to assemble this jigsaw. An ASBM is basically a regular ballistic missile updated to have a very small CEP and an ability to change course during flight based upon real time updates. An ASBM system at the very basic level consists of the following key components.

1) The missile
2) The sensor array to track ships
3) Real time data analysis, interpretation systems and software.



The K-15 Missile or B-05 launch on 27/01/13


Putting the pieces together

The missile: The development of the K-15 missile began sometime in the late 1990’s and has been flight tested up to its full flight range numerous times, as well as from underwater pontoon launch platforms. Standing 10mt tall with a launch weight of only 6-7 tonnes the K-15 missile was always designed as a very compact SLBM, but with a mere 750km range it always was somewhat a misnomer of an SLBM providing very little practical strategic strike ability against any target deep in the Chinese hinterland. The K-15 missile, however is perfect for use as an ASBM. It is stealthy and can be launched form a submarine relatively close to its target thereby reducing flight distance and reaction time. It is also guided till the target and equipped with a very maneuverable reentry vehicle hence is a perfect candidate for in flight navigation updates. It already has a very small single digit CEP which indicates a very high accuracy and an ability to target relatively small objects like a ship in the open ocean.

The sensor array: The key to all this is the IRNSS or the Indian regional satellite navigational system, this system once operational shall be the primary system providing geopositional information to the missile and launch platforms. It will consist of 7 satellites in a geostationary orbit over the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) supported by ground stations on the mainland. Being geostationary will make it relatively safe as the satellites do not have to overfly any hostile nations.



IRNSS Architecture


By itself, the IRNSS can only guide and therefore we will need a whole battery of imaging and mapping satellites to keep an eye on any ships transiting into and around the IOR to pass the navigational updates to the missile through IRNSS. India possess this part of the puzzle in place somewhat with RISAT 1 and RISAT 2 satellites which will be able to provide near real time updates to ground controllers and handlers about hostile shipping in the IOR. However, both these satellites are in sun synchronous orbit, which means that they are not always over the IOR. RISAT 1, for example, orbits over India 14 times in 24 hours. What India needs is a couple of geostationary Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) satellites that can provide real time updates via secure data links to their ground stations. SAR in itself can provide RADAR surveillance over a large swath of territory however we will still need satellites with electro-optical sensors to provide more detailed data in real time along with over the horizon radar and UAVs. Some of this gap is filled by the CARTOSAT series. Another addition shall be ELINT satellites listening to the huge amount of electronic chatter generated by a carrier’s flight operations. The OTH Radar or X-band Radar is another game changer which provides very long range detection of enemy fleets and missiles. It was first reported by the tribune in 2010 [1] that India was looking for this asset, however how far we got to actually getting it is unknown. This asset is required as it can provide real time radar data for thousands of kilometers, for comparison please note that the Israeli Green pine RADAR we now deploy has a range of only 500km.



FBX-T OTH also known as the Raytheon AN/TPY-2 radar in Israel with a massive 1,000km range


The persistent coverage provided by RADARS and satellites can be augmented by UAVs and maritime surveillance aircraft for a more detailed and clear picture of hostiles. The manned aircraft in question is undoubtedly going to be the “P-8I Neptune” while the unmanned platform in question is presently the “Heron” and the “Searcher 2″ UAVs operated by the IN presently, however this will have to be upgraded to a more persistent real time 24×7 reconnaissance ability in the near future.

Real time data analysis, interpretation systems and software
: Much of this capability already exists as most of the satellites in question are already in operation, what remains is to expedite radically the rate at which data can be analyzed . This primarily depends on one thing only “Brute computing power”. India has been at the forefront of many computing milestones in the recent past and systems like the PARAM 500 will no doubt play an important role in the same.

Items crucial for the terminal guidance phase of the missile are missile borne SAR (synthetic aperture radar), MMW (millimeter wave radar) and imaging infrared sensors, however little information is available in the public sphere on Indian efforts regarding this.

However all said and done the claim of single digit CEP and terminal hit guidance for the K-15 missile indicate that these are already in place.

In addition to this, as the K-15 missile already is a quasi-ballistic missile flying through the atmosphere for most of its flight duration and guided at the same time, I believe that the DRDO scientists have already gotten around the problem of electromagnetic interference caused by superheated plasma formation around the missile body during flight. This is a major achievement considering that it took the Chinese scientists working on the DF-21D a long time to master it.

All in all, I’d like to conclude by saying that the technology required for a nascent ASBM already exists within the nation but what remains to be seen is for it to be operationally deployed, which again remains a matter of policy and not of analysis.

Note: All opinions expressed in the article are solely of the author and all information is from open sources only.

1) The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News


Source is D-F-I Opinion .
 
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With the success of the C-302 countering Brahmos. Pakistan should look to match the K-15/Shoriya and work on adding a 6 VLS section to at least half the 8 Chinese Submarines it plans to procure. 4 Submarines will allow Pakistan to at least maintain a basic bastion model of second strike. If Pakistan can extend the range to 1500 km, it can hold Delhi and Mumbai and the whole northwest of India in Second Strike range from Pakistani coastal waters.

Interesting Technologies fielded in this Missile.

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Smaller Missiles with a 1500 km range will allow it to be more mobile and better to survive a first strike
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/shaurya.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Range_Vs_Payload_for_Shaurya_Missile.jpeg
Supposedly if the warhead weight can be lowered to 300 kg, the range could be extended to approximately 1500 km

http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...issile-proliferation/india/sagarika-k-15-b05/
http://www.indiaresearch.org/Shourya_Missile.pdf

36 Missiles would be enough to arm 4 Submarines and keep 12 missiles in reserve for backup

A Staggered arrange for the VLS Tubes will balance the weight and minimize the space taken up. 6 VLS tubes all arranged in a line.
https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/x...aws.com/public/M7ZKYG4MXZFWPO3UBWCGAJRJ7M.jpg
 
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This information is at least 10 years old. K-4 has entered the scene and ASL/DRDL is working on K-5 right now. With K-4 and later K-5, IN will be able to target even the northernmost parts of China from bay of bengal waters. The best place to park Indian SSBNs will be southern bay of bengal or IOR.
If Pakistan is planning to station their chinese subs in arabian sea, then good luck- because arabian sea is very shallow and hiding a nuclear missile carrying sub there is not really a great idea as they can be picked up easily by combined ASW forces of IN. PN simply doesnt have the capability to deploy their chinese subs in IOR for any appreciable period of time and sustain it. For that kind of operations and deployment, PN will need nuclear powered boats (SSBNs). So, the only practical option left to PN is to station their boats close to Pakistani coastal waters.
Also PN isnt really looking towards SLBMs, they are placing their bets on naval version of babur which can be easily integrated with Chinese subs. SLBMs are not only technologically difficult, but also would require Pakistan to master cold launch of "strategic missiles". Pakistan hasnt yet demonstrated cold launch of any strategic missiles from cannisters. On the other hand India has demonstrated cold launch of various missiles namely, A-5, K-15, K-4, K-5. Cannisterization of Agni-4 is on the cards and will be attempted. Similarly Pakistan centric Agni-1*(prime) is also going to be canisterized.
 
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This information is at least 10 years old. K-4 has entered the scene and ASL/DRDL is working on K-5 right now. With K-4 and later K-5, IN will be able to target even the northernmost parts of China from bay of bengal waters. The best place to park Indian SSBNs will be southern bay of bengal or IOR.
If Pakistan is planning to station their chinese subs in arabian sea, then good luck- because arabian sea is very shallow and hiding a nuclear missile carrying sub there is not really a great idea as they can be picked up easily by combined ASW forces of IN. PN simply doesnt have the capability to deploy their chinese subs in IOR for any appreciable period of time and sustain it. For that kind of operations and deployment, PN will need nuclear powered boats (SSBNs). So, the only practical option left to PN is to station their boats close to Pakistani coastal waters.
Indian Ocean extends to the coasts of Africa, it's a pretty big place to hide a nuclear submarine.
Not to mention a submarine doesn't necessarily have to hide at the same location it will travel to and fire missiles.
 
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Indian Ocean extends to the coasts of Africa, it's a pretty big place to hide a nuclear submarine.
Not to mention a submarine doesn't necessarily have to hide at the same location it will travel to and fire missiles.
Yes I know, thats why I am saying that PN will find it extremely difficult to deploy and sustain their Chinese ships in IOR region for any meaningful time (At least a month or more). For that to happen, PN will inevitably need a nuclear powered boat- somewhat on the lines of Arihant. So, as of now, the most practical solution would be to keep it close to Pakistani coastal waters. In fact thats what all the navies did in the beginning.
 
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