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[JonAsad]

it....plus he's of Turkish origin, who do you think will he speak up for first??

Turkish are supposed to be our bestest friends.. why they want to make another of our bestest friend China angry?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Read my post #4 right above you buddy....

We Muslims stand up for all Muslims. Try not to divide us like our leaders.

u keep standing for those muslims who will yet again boot ur 2ss when it comes to kashmir or indian agression. infact they will award ur master modi with medals and u will still b3nd over to them.
pakistan should and must support china in every way for interest of pakistan.
trust me, the day pakistan starts to think for its own interest first will be the day when pakistan starts progressing..

 

[Itachi]

Turkish are supposed to be our bestest friends.. why they want to make another of our bestest friend China angry?

First, there are no "friendships" in international geopolitics...China isn't our "friend".....we're in a mutually beneficial economic relationship...

In my opinion, Turks & Turkey are our brothers....they have stood for us before China stood with us...China is now oppressing the Uyghurs...ever since they took over their lands...I don't want to give you a history lesson but China didn't hold Xinjiang until the past 100-200 years....before that it was independent for most of its lifetime.

Going back to the discussion, Turkey is standing up with Uyghurs just like it is standing up for Kashmiris because bros before $$$. Or so it should be in Islam....if you get my drift.

u keep standing for those muslims who will yet again boot ur 2ss when it comes to kashmir or indian agression. infact they will award ur master modi with medals and u will still b3nd over to them.
pakistan should and must support china in every way for interest of pakistan.
trust me, the day pakistan starts to think for its own interest first will be the day when pakistan starts progressing..

IK didn't even attend the Kuala Lumpur conference that stood with Kashmir while Turkey and many other Muslim nations did....Is Pakistan thinking about it's best interest in the first place??

You should ask that question instead of asking it to me....oh and you're reported for going personal. This is a online forum, not a brawl with the neighbors kid in the gali.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

First, there are no "friendships" in international geopolitics...China isn't our "friend".....we're in a mutually beneficial economic relationship...

In my opinion, Turks & Turkey are our brothers....they have stood for us before China stood with us...China is now oppressing the Uyghurs...ever since they took over their lands...I don't want to give you a history lesson but China didn't hold Xinjiang until the past 100-200 years....before that it was independent for most of its lifetime.

Going back to the discussion, Turkey is standing up with Uyghurs just like it is standing up for Kashmiris because bros before $$$. Or so it should be in Islam....if you get my drift.



IK didn't even attend the Kuala Lumpur conference that stood with Kashmir while Turkey and many other Muslim nations did....Is Pakistan thinking about it's best interest in the first place??

You should ask that question instead of asking it to me....oh and you're reported for going personal. This is a online forum, not a brawl with the neighbors kid in the gali.

china has no economic benefits from pakistan. its economy is in the top in the world without pakistan! where as our military economy depends on chinese support. if china turns it back then the first country to destroy us will be ur ummah chumma nations!!!
ummah chumma talks money walks. if u wanna live in stone age worrying about other muslims when ur own are living under terrible condition then go ahead.

 

[Itachi]

china has no economic benefits from pakistan. its economy is in the top in the world without pakistan! where as our military economy depends on chinese support. if china turns it back then the first country to destroy us will be ur ummah chumma nations!!!
ummah chumma talks money walks. if u wanna live in stone age worrying about other muslims when ur own are living under terrible condition then go ahead.

If you had said this in front of the Prophet SAW or Hazrat Umar R.A., you would have been skinned alive.

Good thing you're living in the US.

Now go back to making $$$ while the Afghan Taliban burn $$$ like no tomorrow....since before you talk about $$$, Muslims, like you, need to get a new spine.

Did the early Muslims worry about $$$ (money in this case) when fighting the battle of Badr??

I'm not saying that we go fight the Chinese or anyone but I'm just deconstructing and bitch slapping your pathetic argument.

Oh and don't forget...China is #2 in economy because it relies on others to buy it's products...and because Pakistan helped China open itself to the West & also because the West made a lot of investments into China in it's early years.

If you act like a poodle, you get treated like one. If you act like a Lion, you get treated like one.

 

[Pax Pakistanica]

Read my post #4 right above you buddy....

We Muslims stand up for all Muslims. Try not to divide us like our leaders.

How desperate some Pakistanis can become to defend China. "BuT vIoLanCe iS hApPEnInG iN OthEr CounTrieS tOO".

Yes, but the difference here is that each and every Muslim nation has kneeled to China, whilst nations like Gambia and Turkey are speaking up about the Rohingya and Syrian crisis. Yes, not a whole lot of people can speak out about Kashmir, due to India's great influence in the geopolitical world.

The right way to defend Pakistan is to say that China has its financial grip on Pakistan, which has resulted in Pakistan's silence. Whilst we support the Uyghur Muslims, we are currently in no position to help them. Not "HuRRR DURR wHy ArEn'T OtHer NatIonS SpeAkINg Out AbOUt SyrIA anD RakHInE".

 

[Itachi]

This is too funny. How desperate some Pakistanis get to defend China. "BuT vIoLanCe iS hApPEnInG iN OthEr CounTrieS tOO".

Yes, but the difference here is that each and every Muslim nation has kneeled to China, whilst nations like Gambia and Turkey are speaking up about the Rohingya and Syrian crisis. Yes, not a whole lot of people can speak out about Kashmir, due to India's great influence in the geopolitical world.

The right way to defend Pakistan is to say that China has its financial grip on Pakistan, which has resulted in Pakistan's silence. Whilst we support the Uyghur Muslims, we are currently in no position to help them. Not "HuRRR DURR wHy ArEn'T OtHer NatIonS SpeAkINg Out AbOUt SyrIA anD RakHInE".

Yup, me and many others have been repeating the same lines as you bro....but alas, some here consider China more holy than their own nation...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

If you had said this in front of the Prophet SAW or Hazrat Umar R.A., you would have been skinned alive.

oh really? how many people did he skin alive?

Good thing you're living in the US.

alhamdulillah

Now go back to making $$$ while the Afghan Taliban burn $$$ like no tomorrow....since before you talk about $$$, Muslims, like you, need to get a new spine.

doesnt the entire ummah need a new spine?

Did the early Muslims worry about $$$ (money in this case) when fighting the battle of Badr??

Didnt prophet mohammed PBUH retreat from mecca so his community would be strong enough to conquer mecca? So what we could learn is, be a stronger community before you can act like a lion.

I'm not saying that we go fight the Chinese or anyone but I'm just deconstructing and bitch slapping your pathetic argument.

what you are saying is utter nonsense and suicidal for interest of pakistan. what you are saying is lets sacrifise well being of 250 million pakistanis over few million muslims (who btw will be in much better condition then average pakistani in couple of years)

Oh and don't forget...China is #2 in economy because it relies on others to buy it's products...and because Pakistan helped China open itself to the West & also because the West made a lot of investments into China in it's early years.

Where did you even learn that? So Pakistan has been helping every country become developing nations like germany japan china and yet we are on the bottom tier of world nations! which idiot has been telling you these stories? You wont be any different then Indiots who live and thrive in myths!
so pakistan went to europe and said "hey guys china would like to do trade with you"
europe was like "here you go china, trillion dollars worth of industries are coming your way"
china was like "oh yah why did not i think of that before, thanks pakistan... without you we would be just backward nation"

just get out of this retarded mentality! this is nothing less then ignorance and arrogance!
hey dude, listen... without pakistan china can survive and lead the world. chinese economy did kick start with western investments but now its scientific, technological achievements are quickly catching up to western and in next decade it could easily surpass the entire world.
Pakistan need to capitalize on that! but sure if you want to eat grass for rest of your life... go ahead **** with your ummah chumma which is worthless useless right now at this stage. u dont help your chumma by jumping in the fire... you help them when you are strong enough to do so or else you will be squashed like a mosquito.

If you act like a poodle, you get treated like one. If you act like a Lion, you get treated like one.

a poodle can not roar like a lion my friend.

 

[Itachi]

oh really? how many people did he skin alive?

Traitors to Islam were always dealt with a heavy hand...

I'm sure you have read about it??

doesnt the entire ummah need a new spine?

Not really, a lot of Muslims have spoken up against all atrocities and for all Muslims...Turkey for example has spoken for Kashmiris, Palestinians & Uyghurs.....how many have Pakistanis supported and how many haven't??

A lot of you guys are still in denial mode just like when the Rohingya crisis started

Didnt prophet mohammed PBUH retreat from mecca so his community would be strong enough to conquer mecca? So what we could learn is, be a stronger community before you can act like a lion.

Ok so he did...now what does that have to do with the Muslims nation states we see today??

Do they need to retreat to Mars before they can act??

One of you has a nuke, another is busy in Syria, another is also busy in Syria (and also supporting the Uyghurs)....multiple others have raised the Uyghur issue....some of us are poodles to West (hint: they have oil)...so what else do you need to act???

Does the Mahdi need to come out and verbally tell everyone that all Muslims are brothers & sisters??

what you are saying is utter nonsense and suicidal for interest of pakistan. what you are saying is lets sacrifise well being of 250 million pakistanis over few million muslims (who btw will be in much better condition then average pakistani in couple of years)

Right...I bet that's what the Quraysh told Hazrat Muhammad SAW too....you can't do this, you can't do that...and look where we are...

If you had actually read my post, you would have noticed that I only ask for diplomatice pressure on China, not an invasion.

But of course...how can we do that since we can't bite the hand that's investing in us right??

Little do you know that China needs us more than we need it...

And that's another topic but I would look towards the SCS and the USN and how CPEC fits in...if you already don't know...

Where did you even learn that? So Pakistan has been helping every country become developing nations like germany japan china and yet we are on the bottom tier of world nations! which idiot has been telling you these stories? You wont be any different then Indiots who live and thrive in myths!
so pakistan went to europe and said "hey guys china would like to do trade with you"
europe was like "here you go china, trillion dollars worth of industries are coming your way"
china was like "oh yah why did not i think of that before, thanks pakistan... without you we would be just backward nation"

I'm not gonna explain history to you dude...go look it up...it's widely known that Pakistan mended ties between China and the US...US later on invested a lot in China....but oh well, continue living in ignorance...

ust get out of this retarded mentality! this is nothing less then ignorance and arrogance!

Right back at ya.

hey dude, listen... without pakistan china can survive and lead the world.

Are you telling me to believe that or telling yourself to believe that?

chinese economy did kick start with western investments but now its scientific, technological achievements are quickly catching up to western and in next decade it could easily surpass the entire world.

Oh...so now you believe that the Chinese economy was started with Western investments huh??

Pakistan need to capitalize on that!

Something we can agree on.

but sure if you want to eat grass for rest of your life... go ahead **** with your ummah chumma which is worthless useless right now at this stage. u dont help your chumma by jumping in the fire... you help them when you are strong enough to do so or else you will be squashed like a mosquito.

Nah bro, I eat salad when I want to....mostly I eat Chicken and Goat...

Either way, didn't Hazrat Ibrahim R.A. get thrown in the fire for believing in Allah??

So what if we get thrown in a worldly fire for what we, as Muslims, believe in??

If your Iman is weak, you don't have to speak up for other Muslims but at least don't belittle our struggle. Whether it be on the internet or physically because the first step to righting any wrongs is spreading awareness.

 

[Rasengan]

china has no economic benefits from pakistan. its economy is in the top in the world without pakistan! where as our military economy depends on chinese support. if china turns it back then the first country to destroy us will be ur ummah chumma nations!!!
ummah chumma talks money walks. if u wanna live in stone age worrying about other muslims when ur own are living under terrible condition then go ahead.

Sometimes you can't reason with certain people. We must at least be thankful they will remain as keyboard warriors while the corridor of power lies with men who have good judgment. Pakistan will always be first and the rest of the Muslim world (not people) can take a hike if it doesn't suit our interests. There is a big difference between Call of Duty and the real world.

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan will always be first and the rest of the Muslim world (not people) can take a hike if it doesn't suit our interests.

If you go the Iran route, you'll become like Iran.

Also, the Prophet SAW said that all Muslims should take care of all Muslims, not follow what their "interest" said.

This was/is the same strategy that got the Muslims to be kicked around before Salahuddin came and pushed back the Crusaders.

This time again, your asses are being kicked around from Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, India, Yemen, Palestine and much more......although the Afghan Taliban have been very victorious due to their believe in and support from Allah.

Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia & Turkey are next in line to be balkanized, which is why Pakistan tried to mend relationships and make new ones with fellow Muslim countries.

But, if you want to continue with the solo route, go on. The Army & ISI can only do so much alone since they're humans after all too.

 

[Rasengan]

If you go the Iran route, you'll become like Iran.

Also, the Prophet SAW said that all Muslims should take care of all Muslims, not follow what their "interest" said.

This was/is the same strategy that got the Muslims to be kicked around before Salahuddin came and pushed back the Crusaders.

This time again, your asses are being kicked around from Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, India, Yemen, Palestine and much more......although the Afghan Taliban have been very victorious due to their believe in and support from Allah.

Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia & Turkey are next in line to be balkanized, which is why Pakistan tried to mend relationships and make new ones with fellow Muslim countries.

But, if you want to continue with the solo route, go on. The Army & ISI can only do so much alone since they're humans after all too.

You live on planet Mars Please don't bring your Empire War tactics in this forum. Salahuddin never pushed back the Crusaders until his power was consolidated and he had the means to fight them on an equal footing. The rest of your post reminds me of Zaid Hamid and quite frankly I don't want to waste my time. Put your money where your mouth is and join ETIM.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You: Us first and them second...
Also You: We are in Need... Help us, Oh Muslims!

Them: Us First and you second...

Welcome to the new world with a new Master of Illusion...
On how the Ex-Master Plan became the Slave new-motto...

 

[Itachi]

You live on planet Mars Please don't bring your Empire War tactics in this forum. Salahuddin never pushed back the Crusaders until his power was consolidated and he had the means to fight them on an equal footing. The rest of your post reminds me of Zaid Hamid and quite frankly I don't want to waste my time. Put your money where your mouth is and join ETIM.

Here on Mars, I get the bigger picture.

You Earthlings with your constant wars & divisions...

Salahuddin never pushed back the Crusaders until his power was consolidated and he had the means to fight them on an equal footing.

Same thing I have been saying so far....if you're alone, you'll be cut down sooner or later, better ally yourself up with neighboring Muslims states.

The rest of your post reminds me of Zaid Hamid and quite frankly I don't want to waste my time. Put your money where your mouth is and join ETIM.

You skipped the part where I said that the Prophet SAW said to look after all Muslims.....if Zaid Hamid says the same thing so what??

Are you not a Muslims?? Are you a secular liberal?

And why would I join ETIM when I can spread awareness here on PDF?

The pen is mightier than the sword.....why else would China ban PDF in China?

 

[Rasengan]

Same thing I have been saying so far....if you're alone, you'll be cut down sooner or later, better ally yourself up with neighboring Muslims states.

I can imagine you wearing a tin hat and playing with your toy soldiers on the table. The real world is much different and ugly. Pakistan must consolidate its own power as the rest of the Muslim world is fragmented. Each Muslim nation will pursue their own self-interests. This naturally occurs in statecraft so you need to get with the picture. There is no unity between Muslims' so allying with neighboring states is a pipedream in the current era.
Salahuddin like Zengi had to use force to crush opposition in their land and elsewhere to consolidate their power in the Muslim world. That can't be applied in the current period without consequences. Only then when the Muslims were strong financially, military and stability did they fight the Crusaders. Tell me is the Muslim world financially stable in particular Pakistan? Do we have stability across the Muslim world? What about our military power? Do most Muslim import weapons from other countries. I don't live in a dream world because pragmatism trumps emotions.

Same thing I have been saying so far....if you're alone, you'll be cut down sooner or later, better ally yourself up with neighboring Muslims states.

You skipped the part where I said that the Prophet SAW said to look after all Muslims.....if Zaid Hamid says the same thing so what??

Are you not a Muslims?? Are you a secular liberal?

You sound just like Zaid Hamid and guess what nobody takes him seriously. I have already answered this question above. You can call me whatever you want. I told you before these snide remarks show just how childish you are. Grow a pair of balls and join ETIM. Spreading awareness in PDF means diddlysquat in the grand scheme of things or is this another one of your delusions. You never took my advice but I can't help you. If you feel so strongly about this issue then take a trip to China and then show everyone in this forum what the true reality. Sitting in America and making war plans is rather funny and useless.