I get what you are saying but that completely different from what I'm saying.
I see. What are you saying bro? Sorry if I've misunderstood.
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I get what you are saying but that completely different from what I'm saying.
I've read a news story about how china goes after uighurs in egypt way before (maybe a year before) I read this dawn article bro.
I do not like dawn. In fact, I think they should be censored and shut down. But just because it is dawn, it doesn't mean what they've said is false.
That its very convenient for countries like Pakistan to take the blame for everything. First for being "different" and then not helping them get out of their own sh$t. For example look at the Kashmiris, they sidelined Pakistan and now when they are neck deep in their own sh$t, they suddenly all became Pakistanis.I see. What are you saying bro? Sorry if I've misunderstood.
Spoke to a refugee here from Pakistan. Guess where he was running from? Kashmir, Pakistan. He gave pakistan a bad name and I cursed him for that.It is a possibility. I have met some political Uyghur refugees here in The Netherlands. They don't speak fondly of China, but when I ask them the critical questions they are reluctant to answer. Many are inspired by Western propaganda against China. In fact I would not be surprised if they were imported as mouthpieces.
I am not going to defend any wrongdoing by China. However, I am not going to believe Western propaganda against China. It is too obvious that the West is playing a dirty game of maligning China for political reasons.
That its very convenient for countries like Pakistan to take the blame for everything. First for being "different" and then not helping them get out of their own sh$t. For example look at the Kashmiris, they sidelined Pakistan and now when they are neck deep in their own sh$t, they suddenly all became Pakistanis.
It is a possibility. I have met some political Uyghur refugees here in The Netherlands. They don't speak fondly of China, but when I ask them the critical questions they are reluctant to answer. Many are inspired by Western propaganda against China. In fact I would not be surprised if they were imported as mouthpieces.
I am not going to defend any wrongdoing by China. However, I am not going to believe Western propaganda against China. It is too obvious that the West is playing a dirty game of maligning China for political reasons.
@beijingwalker‘Nightmare’ as Egypt aids China detain Uighurs
AFP
August 19, 2019
CAIRO: A restaurant where Uighur students used to eat their traditional cuisine in the Egyptian capital’s Nasr City area.
CAIRO: Abdulmalik Abdulaziz, an Uighur student, was arrested and handcuffed by Egyptian police and when they removed his blindfold he was surprised to see Chinese officials questioning him in custody.
He was picked up in broad daylight with friends, and taken to a Cairo police station where Chinese officials grilled him about what he was doing in Egypt.
The three officials spoke to him in Chinese, addressing him using his Chinese name not his Uighur one.
“They never said their names or mentioned who they were exactly,” said Abdulaziz, 27, who spoke this news agency helping to uncover new details of the 2017 arrests of over 90 Uighurs from the mostly Muslim Turkic minority.
Abdulaziz, like most swept up in the three-day crackdown in the first week of July 2017, was an Islamic theology student at Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world’s most prestigious educational institution.
“Egyptian policemen said ‘the Chinese government says that you are terrorists’. But we responded that we are only Al-Azhar students,” said Abdulaziz.
China is one of Egypt’s biggest investors, pouring money into massive infrastructure projects such as the construction of a new administrative capital east of Cairo. Trade between the two countries reached a record high of $13.8 billion last year.
Just three weeks before the raid, Egypt and China signed a security memorandum focusing on “combatting terrorism”.
After a few days of questioning in Police Station 2 in Nasr City, an upmarket suburb of Cairo, Abdulaziz was sent to Tora, one of Egypt’s most notorious jails.
Released after 60 days in detention, he escaped, seeking asylum in Turkey, a hub of Uighur immigration, in October 2017.
‘Same tactics’ -
Shams Eddin Ahmed, 26, was arrested outside the Moussa Ibn Naseer mosque on 4 July, 2017 in Nasr City.
His father in Xinjiang, a region in northwest China, also disappeared that month.
Many Uighurs refer to Xinjiang as East Turkestan, including those interviewed, but for Beijing it has troubling connotations of independence and activism. “I still don’t know if he’s dead or alive,” he recounted.
Unmarked black vans pulled up as afternoon prayers ended and around five policemen arrested several Uighur worshippers.
Ahmed was also transferred to Tora, the stifling complex which houses many of Egypt’s high-profile political prisoners.
“I felt so afraid when I got there. It was extremely dark... I thought to myself how will we ever get out of here?” he said.
“I was afraid that they would hand us over to the Chinese authorities,” added Ahmed.
The Uighurs were split into two groups of 45 to 50 men each and languished in large cells for weeks.
Two weeks before their release, the Uighurs and other Chinese Muslims of different ethnic ancestry, were divided into three groups, and given colour codes.
Red, green or yellow determined if they would be deported, released or further questioned.
Ahmed said Egyptian prison guards handcuffed, blindfolded and then hauled many of the group into vans heading to Cairo police stations.
During 11 days in police custody, he claims three Chinese officials questioned him specifically about his father.
“Where is he and how does he send you money?” he said.
Ahmed was in the green group, meaning he was eventually released. He fled to Istanbul in early October 2017.
Abdulweli Ayup, a Norway-based Uighur linguist who has researched the community in Egypt, confirmed hearing similar accounts from other detainees.
“It’s the same practice and tactic implemented in internment camps in China. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence,” he said, adding Chinese authorities use the same three colour codes for detained Uighurs.
‘Muslim brothers’ -
Human rights groups say more than one million Uighurs and other mostly Muslim minorities are held in a network of internment camps in China where they endure political indoctrination.
Beijing says the “vocational education centres” are necessary to counter religious extremism.
Germany-based independent researcher Adrian Zenz, who has mapped out camps in Xinjiang, said: “China’s new push to redefine human rights in terms of economic development... suits many of these nations.” “A country giving the Chinese significant leeway can in return expect significant favours,” he added, referring to the Egyptian-Chinese security cooperation.
Egypt’s interior ministry and the Chinese embassy in Cairo did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
“Those found to be overstaying contrary to the law, including Chinese citizens among other nationalities, are expelled”, said Ahmed Hafez, Egypt’s foreign ministry spokesman, when asked about the deportation of Uighurs in 2017. He did not answer questions on the 60-day detention of the group that had been picked up by police.
Darren Byler, an anthropologist at Washington University, noted “similar attempts by Chinese officials in Thailand and elsewhere” to extradite diaspora Uighurs.
“The autonomy with which Chinese authorities were permitted to act in Egypt is unprecedented,” he said.
Ayup, the linguist, explains the devastating effect of the 2017 raids that reduced a thriving community of around 6,000 people to about 50 families.
“For Uighurs it’s a nightmare that your Muslim brother would invite Chinese officials to interrogate you. They have lost their belief and have become paranoid in the diaspora,” he said.
Abdulaziz considers himself fortunate, but the fate of other Uighurs expelled by Egypt preys on his mind.
“It has been years since we heard anything about those deported and our families. We just don’t know.”
https://www.dawn.com/news/1500386/nightmare-as-egypt-aids-china-detain-uighurs#comment
You know, I read an article where the Chinese were attempting to demolish a hui Muslim mosque and you know what the hui Muslim who was being interviewed said? He said something along the lines of "we are not extremists like the Uighurs, why are they coming after us?".
Likewise, some Muslims on here think that Russia/Iran/Assad are fighting extremists in Syria and so they give their support against their fellow Muslims. And this list sort of goes on and on.
I get pretty angry when some Pakistanis on here say the same things about British Muslims. They call British Muslims extremists etc... But you know what bro? Let these people say these things. That sins on them. But we shouldn't forget our duty as Muslims. And even then, we shouldn't hold a whole ethnic group responsible for the words of some of their members. If one of these Muslim guys, on this forum, who constantly badmouth my British Muslim community as extremists, were locked up or oppressed by some kuffar nation, I would still be willing to fight for their freedom.
You actually gave good examples of the root cause of our problems. These days we Muslims don't spare a second declaring each other kafir and extremist. Everybody thinks they have a better understanding of Islam and are better Muslims than the rest.
Frankly speaking, I watched so many TRT video on youtube, and news report. Really misleading, questionable credibility.
More and more Uighurs are using TikTok to raise awareness about missing family members, who they say are detained in Chinese internment camps in East Turkistan.
they ate free to practice any religion as long as not breaking the law, especially terrorism, extremism, and separatism. such as ETIM funded by cia
Not all religion (must) have a God the old way that some said as kafir (they force and brand it) believe in nature balance. Some should honour what they believe include materialism idea, there are also salvation in any kind of teaching of peace and harmony