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[fisher1]

Ummah?.......Yeah, sure. So when are the Arabs and Palestinians going to condemn the indians for their atrocities against Kashmiri Muslims??????................or is the Ummah just an excuse to be Arab slaves? Non-Arab Muslims are worthless aren't they? ......

Don't think you read my post. Remove the cunt politicians and you will get a sea of Muslims who condemn India and Israel for their wrongdoings.

MBS, PM IK, Assad, these aren't the representatives of Ummah. They're driven by greed, money and couldn't give a crap if the whole Muslims population were wiped out as long as they get money for it.

Have you bothered to ask a common Palestinian or Arab what they think of Kashmir?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

At least it may humble yourself to know things always change but not according to one's liking.

yeah i know thats yr main point, and i agree in principle, however i completely reject of what yr trying to imply hiding behind this argument.

If forbidden City, the symbol of Chinese Civilization or Communist Statues around it cant be destroyed or demolished by anyone, so cant the Religious and our Muslim Civilization's Mosques too.

Because what Forbidden City and Statues and monuments of Communism are to you, Mosques are to us Muslims as well.

In Islam Mosques have same status as Forbidden City has in Chinese Civilization!

This was what i was trying to make u realize, that is why i said, its wrong to demolish them regardless of being old or new.

@nang2 do u know that Turkic people and u guys in China r basically cousins?

and even Mongols?

 

[nang2]

yeah i know thats yr main point, and i agree in principle, however i completely reject of what yr trying to imply hiding behind this argument.

If forbidden City, the symbol of Chinese Civilization or Communist Statues around it cant be destroyed or demolished by anyone, so cant the Religious and our Muslim Civilization's Mosques too.

Because what Forbidden City and Statues and monuments of Communism are to you, Mosques are to us Muslims as well.

In Islam Mosques have same status as Forbidden City has in Chinese Civilization!

This was what i was trying to make u realize, that is why i said, its wrong to demolish them regardless of being old or new.

Your rejection is because you disregard other people. You only think of yourself or your "tribe". That is where we differ. I don't agree with simple mosque demolition, nor do I agree with eager mosque building at the expense of others. You only disagree with the former and have no issue with the latter. That is where your bias is. You make no effort to understand the thoughts of the other side or simply brush them away.

@nang2 do u know that Turkic people and u guys in China r basically cousins?

and even Mongols?

Of course. It is always those people who force to get things done in their way that alienate people who should really be relatives. It is always my opinion that people should be free to do whatever they want under a common set of rules, such as no killing, no stealing, no violence, etc. Unfortunately, Chinese Communist government disagree with me.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Your rejection is because you disregard other people. You only think of yourself or your "tribe". That is where we differ. I don't agree with simple mosque demolition, nor do I agree with eager mosque building at the expense of others. You only disagree with the former and have no issue with the latter. That is where your bias is. You make no effort to understand the thoughts of the other side or simply brush them away.


Of course. It is always those people who force to get things done in their way that alienate people who should really be relatives. It is always my opinion that people should be free to do whatever they want under a common set of rules, such as no killing, no stealing, no violence, etc. Unfortunately, Chinese Communist government disagree with me.

who planted this in yr head? or maybe thats yr own observation. U r living in west, there things with Muslims r different in places like these we Muslims prefer this strategy that yr referring to.

With China, Hispanic people or Asiatic Countries thing are very different, we have always been peaceful and have always been caring for eachother, our Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, even mentioned China by name, and said a very beautiful thing, that ''Seek knowledge even if u have to go as far as China''

He mentioned China in the context of knowledge and learning. We behave this way in west, as things r very different there, in East things r different for us thats why we dont behave that way here with countries in East including China, Havnt u seen why Pakistan which has always been a Pro western Country has always had time tested and steady Excellent Relations with China? There is one thing u need to realize abt us Muslims is that we r people of Strong faith and discipline, we behave like a tribe because we r united in how we live in terms of our way of life, it doesnt mean we look at u guys anything less then us or will eat u up one day, thats the western media's state propaganda that they have been spreading since past 19 years in which they have killed Millions of Millions of our people in the name of war on terror that i was earlier talking abt, and u can see my posts in this thread i had been constantly defending China even going against my own fellow Muslims and Countrymen, that was untill u posted that dumb comment about our Mosques. We are sensitive abt these things as our Mosques have same status as that of Forbidden City has in Chinese Civilization. The love and pride and honour u have for forbidden city is same we have for our Mosques!

Our fight is with these Jew and Christians or judochristians, we have been fighting with them on and off since Crusades 1000 years ago, Our Quran mentions them as our worst of the worst Enemies not Pagan/atheist Chinese etc....let us fight with them dont come in our way with things like in Xinjiang this will take over our focus from West into East, and it will not be good for China itself. Because its only us Muslims who r weakening them and hence giving an automatic space to China to exercise her influence and ensure her rise!

This is also the reason why we behave that way in west as u mentioned in yr comment, we dont behave like that in East or with Eastern Civilizations like China.

These Turkic people are yr cousins, im surprised that u knew abt it, but now since u do, so build good relations with them dont kill or convert them of their culture, because that culture is also related to Chinese Culture as well.

This is all i wanted to say to u and wanted u to understand. Thank You and Goodbye.

 

[nang2]

who planted this in yr head? or maybe thats yr own observation. U r living in west, there things with Muslims r different in places like these we Muslims prefer this strategy that yr referring to.

With China, Hispanic people or Asiatic Countries thing are very different, we have always been peaceful and have always been caring for eachother, our Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, even mentioned China by name, and said a very beautiful thing, that ''Seek knowledge even if u have to go as far as China''

He mentioned China in the context of knowledge and learning. We behave this way in west, as things r very different there, in East things r different for us thats why we dont behave that way here with countries in East including China, Havnt u seen why Pakistan which has always been a Pro western Country has always had time tested and steady Excellent Relations with China? There is one thing u need to realize abt us Muslims is that we r people of Strong faith and discipline, we behave like a tribe because we r united in how we live in terms of our way of life, it doesnt mean we look at u guys anything less then us or will eat u up one day, thats the western media's state propaganda that they have been spreading since past 19 years in which they have killed Millions of Millions of our people in the name of war on terror that i was earlier talking abt, and u can see my posts in this thread i had been constantly defending China even going against my own fellow Muslims and Countrymen, that was untill u posted that dumb comment about our Mosques. We are sensitive abt these things as our Mosques have same status as that of Forbidden City has in Chinese Civilization. The love and pride and honour u have for forbidden city is same we have for our Mosques!

Our fight is with these Jew and Christians or judochristians, we have been fighting with them on and off since Crusades 1000 years ago, Our Quran mentions them as our worst of the worst Enemies not Pagan/atheist Chinese etc....let us fight with them dont come in our way with things like in Xinjiang this will take over our focus from West into East, and it will not be good for China itself. Because its only us Muslims who r weakening them and hence giving an automatic space to China to exercise her influence and ensure her rise!

This is also the reason why we behave that way in west as u mentioned in yr comment, we dont behave like that in East or with Eastern Civilizations like China.

These Turkic people are yr cousins, im surprised that u knew abt it, but now since u do, so build good relations with them dont kill or convert them of their culture, because that culture is also related to Chinese Culture as well.

This is all i wanted to say to u and wanted u to understand. Thank You and Goodbye.

All I have been trying to say is to stay calm. Collect more information before making judgements. Don't let your pride and honor shorten this process. Don't let your blood rush into your head the moment you hear "mosque demolition". Spend more time on figuring out what exactly has happened. The details are often surprising.

Being sensitive is not something to be proud of, at least not for men. I understand emotion but emotion should always follow reasoning, not the other way around. If Mohammad didn't teach that, at least Moses did.

 

[fisher1]

These Turkic people are yr cousins, im surprised that u knew abt it, but now since u do, so build good relations with them dont kill or convert them of their culture, because that culture is also related to Chinese Culture as well.

Dude, make up your mind already. You wrote walls of text telling me western propaganda blah blah and all of a sudden, you're telling him to not kill or convert them? Didn't you tell me none of that thing is happening and it's all western propaganda?

China position is it's all good. There's not a single death or conversion of anyone. Everyone is happy and dancing in Xinjiang. How do you tell him to not kill or convert someone when you dismiss that crap as western propaganda?

I think you're just confused and extremely ignorant about it. China denies demolishing mosques and we know they're demolishing mosques FROM THE SAME SATELLITE IMAGES that we found out they built these concentration camps. How the hell do you believe in one while dismiss the other as western propaganda???

Also as someone else pointed out your hypocrisy, this is a Chinese internal matter. What they do with mosques is their own problem, what do you care about it? You've made it extremely clear that nobody is believing Western propaganda (at least not you) anymore and your focus is on the judo Christians in the West who are the real culprits.

There's so much contradictions in your posts, just make your mind and stick to that. You can't call this whole thing a western propaganda and in the next post flip like a pancake and believe in the same western propaganda and preach chinese what they're doing is wrong and then reverse the script once again and call it propaganda. Like what the?

At this point, i don't even know what you believe.

 

[Indos]

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and Indonesia publicly supported China's efforts on counterinsurgency and counter terrorism. So whatever you discussed here, doesn't matter to any OIC countries. In fact, MBS publicly supported Israel and China for counterinsurgency.

Why?
Short answer: Saudi and Israeli have common threat in the region i.e. counter Iran.
China is helping Saudi to develop long range ballistic missiles and nuclear payloads. Saudi wouldn't say a single word against counter terrorism efforts by China. Saudi themselves are facing Houthi terrorism at home.
It's a done deal. It has nothing to do with Islam or religion.
It's a need of Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. It's a need of China to export military hardware in a highly competitive market.
I personally don't care about people who strapped bomb on their body and kill children and women. Rohingya and Uyghurs must not be allowed to breed.

Indonesia doesnt support China policy in Xin Jiang

 

[Place Of Space]

Indonesia doesnt support China policy in Xin Jiang

No Indonesia, someone must make it wrong. There are Russia, Korea, Cambodia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkmenstan, Cuba, Nigeria, Oman, Kuwait, Phillipines and some other nations I forget their names. All 37 nations issue a joint letter to UN expressing the support. While 22 nations against Chinese policy in Xinjiang are from the West and North America.

 

[polanski]

Indonesia doesnt support China policy in Xin Jiang

https://thediplomat.com/2018/07/whats-next-for-china-indonesia-military-ties/

What on earth Indonesia get into trouble with China when Indonesia has major interest in military relationship. If you count bilateral trade then most Southeast Asian countries have no say on Uyghurs. African countries shut their mouth long time ago. Brazil and Argentina can't say anything or China won't buy iron ores.
Arabs won't say anything against biggest buyer of fosil fuels.
Who left USA, Australia, NZ, EU.

 

[Indos]

https://thediplomat.com/2018/07/whats-next-for-china-indonesia-military-ties/

What on earth Indonesia get into trouble with China when Indonesia has major interest in military relationship. If you count bilateral trade then most Southeast Asian countries have no say on Uyghurs. African countries shut their mouth long time ago. Brazil and Argentina can't say anything or China won't buy iron ores.
Arabs won't say anything against biggest buyer of fosil fuels.
Who left USA, Australia, NZ, EU.

I only said Indonesia government position that doesnt sign support letter on China handling on Uigyur which is sent to UN. Even Indonesia government is quite critical and has asked China about its Uigyur policy. Here is the news:

China responds to Indonesia’s question about alleged abuse of Xinjiang’s Muslims

• Dian Septiari
  The Jakarta Post
  

Bandung / Thu, December 20, 2018 / 11:35 am

Men dance in front of the Id Kah Mosque after morning prayers on June 26, 2017 during Idul Fitri in the old town of Kashgar in China's Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region. (Agence France -Presse/Johannes Esielle)

China has responded to Indonesia’s question about alleged human rights abuse against Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang, saying that Beijing guaranteed the religious freedom of all of its citizens, including the Uighurs.

A Chinese Embassy spokesman in Jakarta said in a statement on Thursday that “China is a country with multiple ethnic groups and religions".

“As prescribed in the Constitution, all Chinese citizens enjoy the freedom of religious belief,” the statement said.

The statement said that the Chinese government was facing the threat of religious extremism in Xinjiang, which is home to about 14 million Muslims. Some Xinjiang residents, it said, had struggled to find jobs because of their poor command of the nation’s official language and lack of skills.

“This has made them vulnerable to the instigation and coercion of terrorism and extremism,” it said.

“In light of the situation, Xinjiang has established professional vocational training institutions as the platform, providing courses on China’s common language, legal knowledge, vocational skills, along with de-radicalization education for citizens influenced by extremist ideas.”

Previously, the Foreign Ministry said it had summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to convey the concerns of Indonesian Muslims about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.


“The Foreign Ministry stressed that in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights, religious freedom and belief are human rights and it is the responsibility of all countries to respect it,” ministry spokesperson Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters on the sidelines of the Diplofest event on Wednesday evening.

He said Xiao Qian conveyed China’s commitment to the protection of human rights. In addition, the ambassador said it was very important for the Indonesian public to know the condition of the Uighurs in Xinjiang, an autonomous region.

“Even though it is a domestic issue, the Foreign Ministry noted the embassy’s intention to expand communication with various civil society groups in order to convey information about the condition of the Uighur community.”

The summons of the Chinese ambassador came shortly after Indonesian Islamic groups demanded an explanation on the situation in Xinjiang.

Western countries have accused China of persecuting Uighurs through its “re-education centers”, which Beijing insisted were actually vocational and training centers that combat religious extremism.

The situation in Xinjiang was highlighted during China’s third United Nations Human Rights Council’s universal periodic review last month.

Human Rights Watch says Uighur people in particular are subject to intense surveillance and are made to give DNA and biometric samples.

Muhammadiyah chairman Haedar Nashir said if the reports were true, then China had violated universal human rights and his organization was ready to mobilize humanitarian and material support for peace in Xinjiang, especially for the Uighur community.

”The Chinese government’s inaction is feared to hurt diplomatic relations between Indonesia and China, and the good relations our people have had for centuries,” Haedar said as quoted by Antara on Wednesday.

Social media messages calling on Indonesians to take to the streets to defend Uighurs have been circulating online in the last few days.

On Monday, the Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) advisory council leader and former chairman of Muhammadiyah, Din Syamsuddin, said the alleged crackdown was an outright violation of basic human rights and demanded that the Indonesian government take firm action to advocate for the Uighur people.

Responding to the MUI’s call, Vice President Jusuf Kalla said Indonesia would not interfere in China’s handling of Uighur Muslims.

“Of course we reject or [want to] prevent any human rights violations. However, we don’t want to intervene in the domestic affairs of another country,” Kalla told journalists on Monday.

The Chinese Embassy’s spokesman said that, “China and Indonesia have always supported each other on issues concerning respective major interests.

“I believe after knowing the real situation in Xinjiang, our Indonesian friends would better understand and support the Chinese government's efforts to combat terrorism and extremism and to safeguard stability and security in Xinjiang,” he said.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...about-alleged-abuse-of-xinjiangs-muslims.html

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Dude, make up your mind already. You wrote walls of text telling me western propaganda blah blah and all of a sudden, you're telling him to not kill or convert them? Didn't you tell me none of that thing is happening and it's all western propaganda?

China position is it's all good. There's not a single death or conversion of anyone. Everyone is happy and dancing in Xinjiang. How do you tell him to not kill or convert someone when you dismiss that crap as western propaganda?

I think you're just confused and extremely ignorant about it. China denies demolishing mosques and we know they're demolishing mosques FROM THE SAME SATELLITE IMAGES that we found out they built these concentration camps. How the hell do you believe in one while dismiss the other as western propaganda???

Also as someone else pointed out your hypocrisy, this is a Chinese internal matter. What they do with mosques is their own problem, what do you care about it? You've made it extremely clear that nobody is believing Western propaganda (at least not you) anymore and your focus is on the judo Christians in the West who are the real culprits.

There's so much contradictions in your posts, just make your mind and stick to that. You can't call this whole thing a western propaganda and in the next post flip like a pancake and believe in the same western propaganda and preach chinese what they're doing is wrong and then reverse the script once again and call it propaganda. Like what the?

At this point, i don't even know what you believe.

quote me when i replay to yr posts, dont quote me into things and topics i post while quoting/talking to others............im trying to make him understand a point, and he understood in the end as i wanted him to understand.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

All I have been trying to say is to stay calm. Collect more information before making judgements. Don't let your pride and honor shorten this process. Don't let your blood rush into your head the moment you hear "mosque demolition". Spend more time on figuring out what exactly has happened. The details are often surprising.

Being sensitive is not something to be proud of, at least not for men. I understand emotion but emotion should always follow reasoning, not the other way around. If Mohammad didn't teach that, at least Moses did.

im calm! have been always in this thread, but i dont think u were though.

As i said! These Turkic people are yr cousins, im surprised that u knew abt it, but now since u do, so build good relations with them dont kill or convert them of their culture, because that culture is also related to Chinese Culture as well.

Goodbye!

 

[nang2]

im calm! have been always in this thread, but i dont think u were though.

As i said! These Turkic people are yr cousins, im surprised that u knew abt it, but now since u do, so build good relations with them dont kill or convert them of their culture, because that culture is also related to Chinese Culture as well.

Goodbye!

I am surprised that you were surprised. I know Chinese history, which is filled with interaction with nomadic people, from Huns to Turks to Mongols, etc. Better yet, I actually grew up in XinJiang. I know both the kindness and stupidity of Uyghurs. When they are nice to you, they pour their hearts out. Offer you everything they have. Their purity and naivety often make them vulnerable to shrew villains who use them as pawns for their own sinister objectives.

When they are mad at you, they will cut you into pieces without giving you any chance to protest. It is an informal rule in the military that if a driver hits someone on the road in the predominately Uyghur neighborhood, RUN! You are right. Hit-and-run is not only practiced but also encouraged if the driver still wants to stay alive. Rule-of-law is not in their culture. When some dumb kids feel bored, they could sit at the curb and ask people who walk by on whether they like to have a fist fight. But the same kids also play soccer very well. The only time when I was robbed on the tip of a knife was done by Uyghur kids when I was in school.

You are right that their culture is also related to Chinese culture, but to a small degree. They don't live by the same culture rules as Chinese. For example, Chinese culture suppresses hot heads but ordinary Uyghurs are often hot heads. Chinese culture emphasizes greatly on formal education while Uyghurs don't. Their parents would let their kids roaming on the streets in the way that is unthinkable to Chinese parents, no matter how poor Chinese parents are. How much of that is attributed to Turkish culture or Islamic culture or pure poverty? I don't know.

 

[Politico]

I am surprised that you were surprised. I know Chinese history, which is filled with interaction with nomadic people, from Huns to Turks to Mongols, etc. Better yet, I actually grew up in XinJiang. I know both the kindness and stupidity of Uyghurs. When they are nice to you, they pour their hearts out. Offer you everything they have. Their purity and naivety often make them vulnerable to shrew villains who use them as pawns for their own sinister objectives. When they are mad at you, they will cut you into pieces without giving you any chance to protest. It is an informal rule in the military that if a driver hits someone on the road in the predominately Uyghur neighborhood, RUN! You are right. Hit-and-run is not only practiced but also encouraged if the driver wants to still be alive. Rule-of-law is not in their culture. When some dumb kids feel bored, they could sit at the curb and ask people who walk by on whether they like to have a fist fight. But the same kids also play soccer very well. The only time when I was robbed on the tip of a knife was done by Uyghur kids when I was in school.

So, is it fine then to place them in concentration camps and torture them since they are "barbaric" by Han standards?

 

[nang2]

So, is it fine then to place them in concentration camps and torture them since they are "barbaric" by Han standards?

If the "barbarity" is threatening the order, yes. In fact, if it were up to me, I wouldn't use concentration camps. I would use prisons. That is what law enforcement should do. Chinese government is facing the typically tough situation as any government does to face insurgency. In fact, what Uyghurs are practicing is insurgency. Those terrorists or insurgents are hiding in Uyghur communities and protected by Uyghur people. Don't tell me they are peaceful people. But Chinese government doesn't want to admit it so they choose some middle ground. Back in 1950s, Chinese army actually rolled tanks on the streets and opened fire to suppress insurgency.