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An Independent East Turkestan will be bad for Pakistan

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    Votes: 64 53.8%
  • No

    Votes: 55 46.2%

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I hope so for China and for us Muslims, this may be the only way out from Western domination.



Pakistan cannot do anything by itself. We tried to stop WOT and invasion of Afghanistan, standing completely alone, and even now we are being maligned and suffering attacks for our principled stance.

Time, however, proved that we were right and now NATO is forced to accept our initial call for negotiations as the only way to settle issues.

Nations like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Qatar, KSA, UAE, together with Pakistan, can come together to jointly lead a fact-finding mission in Xinjiang, so that no single nation will suffer the consequences if it is found that China is violating human rights of Uyghurs.

Our economic, geopolitical, and internal situation is not such at the moment that we can deal with any issues or stressors outside of our immediate territory.

Once CPEC is built and functioning, our own oil is tapped, and Gwadar is 100% ready, you can expect Pakistan to be much more bold and confident to push its Islamic vision for the world in the region.

The Fourm is a circle jerk for wannabe politicians from all types of nationalities people insult folks here herald propaganda against each other again its a opinon fourm not news org or government department our policy makers are doing the right thing 2nd China cant afford to lose allies in its periphery it needs allies for the BRI I am confident in the visit by the Turkish President things can settle down for a bit its whats needed now
 
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I think the only time this was different was during the Mughal era where India was more wealthy.

I doubt a Pakistani would say this.

Like I explained to @Dubious I prefer both my flags to be Pakistani because I love Pakistan, but his the moderator so he can do whatever floats his boat.

Please properly adjust your flags, friend.
 
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I doubt a Pakistani would say this.



Please properly adjust your flags, friend.

Cmon I expected a better response I thought you were better than that how can you tell he is not Pakistani when Indus was here we had differing views all of us don't really know who we actually are if I have not met you irl or voice chat how can I tell you are not a bot same with me lol
 
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This seems like a workable solution. Only if any of the listed nations had spines, maybe other than Turkey and Indonesia...

It is the only solution to the problem.

Chinese government seems sensible and reasonable, unlike wicked evil malicious nations like Israel, Burma, India, and Sri Lanka who are oppressing and massacring Muslims with prideful arrogance.

China should organize it themselves, and maybe even offer to have permanent observers from Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, and Malaysia in Xinjiang and working with CPC officials to learn from each other and be on the same page.

The Fourm is a circle jerk for wannabe politicians from all types of nationalities people insult folks here herald propaganda against each other again its a opinon fourm not news org or government department our policy makers are doing the right thing 2nd China cant afford to lose allies in its periphery it needs allies for the BRI I am confident in the visit by the Turkish President things can settle down for a bit its whats needed now

I hope so, Xi Jinping is a statesman and a master of geopolitics. I have confidence that ties between China and the Muslim world will be fixed again.

It is the only way to keep saboteurs from US, Israel, and India away from China’s relationships with Muslim nations.
 
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It is the only solution to the problem.

Chinese government seems sensible and reasonable, unlike wicked evil malicious nations like Israel, Burma, India, and Sri Lanka who are oppressing and massacring Muslims with prideful arrogance.

China should organize it themselves, and maybe even offer to have permanent observers from Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, and Malaysia in Xinjiang and working with CPC officials to learn from each other and be on the same page.



I hope so, Xi Jinping is a statesman and a master of geopolitics. I have confidence that ties between China and the Muslim world will be fixed again.

It is the only way to keep saboteurs from US, Israel, and India away from China’s relationships with Muslim nations.

All those Countries did send in dipomats and the ullema this year and in 2014,2010,2009 heck even prior like I said the tensions in those region is not new you are dealing with a complex ethnic relations problem that borders several key states for trade and access PRC leaders still have not learn the art of persuasion check book diplomacy is good infrastructure and investments are all good but they need better persuasion
 
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China is being nice to invite foregin media and diplomats to Xinjiang to have tour around those facilities, but don't take it for granted, China doesn't really need anyone to approve what she has to do in her own country. No Muslim governments barring from Turkey raised any issues with China and now even Turkey is reaching oliver branch to China and expresssed clear intention to improve ties with China.
 
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Young Uygur designer shows a passion for ethnic fashion
China Daily | Updated: 2019-07-02 09:26

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Mewlan Turaq, owner of a boutique in Kashgar, Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, attends to a customer as he discusses the clothing and tailoring of ethnic costumes with his mother, Aygul Khasim. [Photo/Xinhua]

A 26-year-old from the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region creates new looks based on traditional clothing styles

Editor's note: This is the sixth in a series of stories focusing on the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, looking at developments in the economy, the cultural and business sectors, and poverty alleviation measures.

Fashions change, but the eye for beauty never does. Mewlan Turaq has never seen Project Runway, a reality television series from the United States that focuses on fashion design, but the 26-year-old designer is weaving his own project to preserve traditional Uygur costumes.

At his boutique in the Old Town of Kashgar, Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, in China's far northwest, Mewlan sketches a dress in the sunlight flooding in through a blue window. When a customer walks in, he immediately puts down his pencil and recommends they try on the various floral headwear, dresses and boots hanging on the walls.

Mewlan's store sells and rents both traditional costumes and modern, modified pieces that feature his unique designs. He knows the ins and outs of the fabric and patterns of each piece like the back of his hand.

Since childhood, Mewlan has been obsessed with the traditional ethnic cultures of Xinjiang, which is home to a large number of ethnic groups. He developed his love of making ethnic costumes thanks to his mother Aygul Khasim, a tailor who can make both traditional and modern clothing.

With her help, Mewlan has recreated various costumes that have long enjoyed popularity in Xinjiang. Videos showcasing the costumes have even gone viral on Chinese social media, and that success has given life to his long-held dream - to become a fashion designer.

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Mewlan creates a pattern based on a traditional design.

Evolution

Mewlan has loved designing things since he was a child. But, when his father got sick, he decided to study medicine at college. In 2016, then still a college student, Mewlan joined "I'm from Xinjiang", a project by renowned Uygur photographer Kurbanjan Samat aimed at recording and promoting Xinjiang's various cultures.

Inspired by the popular 100 Years of Beauty video series by the US storytelling company Cut.com, which highlights changes in fashion trends in a country or region over time, Mewlan and his team released their own video in 2017 to look back on trends in Uygur women's fashion over the past century.

In the two-minute video, Mewlan illustrated the evolution of Uygur fashion in his hometown from the 1910s to the 2010s.

"We can see that time has left different marks on our clothes, and different cultures have blended," Mewlan said. From his perspective, the cultures of East and West have met and melded in Kashgar, an important trading post on the ancient Silk Road, and that has shown in the evolution of local fashion.

Without any professional training in fashion design or dressmaking, Mewlan asked his mother for help. To reproduce all the costumes, Mewlan and Aygul collected a wealth of historical documents and old photos, and visited many old tailors to gain inspiration.

They spent a whole week making their first costume. The cash-strapped designers had to produce a prototype using cheap fabrics before making the real piece. For a while, Mewlan took a part-time job in a restaurant simply so he could use the printer there to print out all the file photos he found online for free.

In order to find the best jewelry to go with the costumes, he visited jewelry makers shop by shop to spark his imagination. A friend in France saw one of his social media posts asking for information about old Xinjiang jewelry, and later contacted him to say they remembered seeing a pair of old earrings in a pawnshop in Paris.

"A pair of silver earrings like that usually cost 1,000 to 2,000 yuan ($146 to $292), but the pawnbroker insisted on selling them to me at a price of 4,000 yuan, not a penny less," Mewlan said. He had to spend a large part of his savings to get hold of the earrings.

The mother and son spent five months sewing dozens of costumes, which are gracefully showcased by Uygur model Mireay Memet in the video.

In another video, Mewlan recreates different century-old costumes that were popular in Xinjiang's cities and prefectures.

"I hope I can show the world the real beauty of traditional costumes," he said. "The pursuit of beauty is a natural and sincere desire of people in all countries and all ethnic groups. The world is changing. China is developing, and so is Xinjiang. A changing society is reflected in local fashion trends."
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The designer assists with a photo shoot for a customer from the Ili Kazakh autonomous prefecture in Xinjiang. [Photo/Xinhua]

Potential

The videos ignited Mewlan's passion for fashion, pushing him to become a designer after graduation. Hoping he would still become a doctor, his parents strongly opposed his decision. Aygul even refused to help him make more costumes.

But Mewlan carried on, anyway. Having noticed the business potential behind the growing number of tourists to Kashgar, he opened his boutique in October. He rents out all the costumes he and his mother made, along with the jewelry they restored, to tourists who want to experience the old city as locals. He also sells handmade floral caps and purses.

"I hope tourists will not only buy Kashgar souvenirs, but also experience the fashion and cultures of Kashgar. In this old town they can travel in time," he said.

After his grandfather visited the boutique and saw how business was booming, he helped convince Mewlan's parents that this career path was the right one.

"Now, they are all supportive of me," the young store owner said. "One of my biggest successes is bringing new breakthroughs to my mother's tailoring career."

Aygul now works full-time for her son, as the ambitious designer has taken an increasing number of orders on e-commerce platforms such as Taobao. Mewlan has also hired five poverty-stricken families in rural Kashgar to produce handmade accessories, a move that supports the government's nationwide poverty reduction drive.

Without proper training, Mewlan said his inspiration comes from the city itself. When he wanders down winding alleys, the shape of a window, the patterns of a carpet or the wooden carving of an ornament can be his muse.

"The more I get to know about the history of the city, the beautiful stories in it, the more I come to love it," he said.

He spends most of his spare time visiting old tailors and craftsmen, and shopping at flea markets. When researching, he sticks to old books and photos, from which he has drawn the conclusion that clothes can record history and are a language through which different cultures can communicate.

"I care about the cultures, the history and the aesthetic values behind the costumes. More importantly, I would like to see how cultures blend together and what cultures these blended elements come from," he said.

Recently, he's been working on modern designs with traditional features to "promote beautiful Xinjiang cultures to more young people in a way they will like", he said, noting that mixing modern and traditional is a good way of passing on cultural heritage.

Mewlan plans to pursue fashion design studies in the future.

"I hope I can come up with more special designs for more people who would like to know about the charms of Xinjiang," he said.
 
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Seriously, you should take this with the leadership of this forum. No one should hide their IP on this forum unless they're from North Korea or some other censored place, otherwise it should ring some bells...

Many do actually for different reasons...Chinese members do coz pdf is banned in China VPN and things mask their IP

I doubt a Pakistani would say this.
There is alot of things he has said that a Pakistani wouldn't. ..

My only concern is how is he ok with not being allowed to pray 5x a day and giving the example of non camp people was totally misleading considering I am only talking about one people one situation (not the genteral Mu slims im Chona but those forced in the conew traction camp)...

Khair I don't care what he....woh janay uska RUB janay
 
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I doubt a Pakistani would say this.



Please properly adjust your flags, friend.

What did I say wrong? Go and check the historical data. China as a country controlled 60% of the world's GDP, this was only toppled when the Mughal controlled much of the Indian subcontinent. Regardless, you have proven what a hypocrite you are, and someone's class always show's when they preach on a principle and do the exact opposite. I don't need to change my flag Mr. hypocrite since the moderator agreed he had no problem with me keeping it. What a shame, I thought you were at least a decent Pakistani. Don't bother quoting me in the future.
 
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Cmon I expected a better response I thought you were better than that how can you tell he is n9t Pakistani when Indus was here we had differing views all of us don't really know who we actually are if I have not met you irl or voice chat how can I tell you are not a bot same with me lol

I have never questioned someone on their Pakistani nationality. People like @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan joined this forum in 2018. Look at my history, and find out why I joined this forum in 2013. CPEC was officially introduced in 2015. But three years before that I was trying my best to bring in Chinese investors to both KPK province and at the Federal level. Naturally, you can imagine the bureaucracy and corruption made it fail.

I will give you an example of one project. I wanted Rawalpindi to sign a sister city deal with Kunming. My Chinese friend knew the mayor quite well, and the whole purpose of the project was bringing in the local Kunming boys to invest in the city and trade goods and services between them. Why was such an idea good? While I was working in China I asked the most fundamental question. How did China revive itself economically? One such example was in Dalian. The Japanese are the biggest investors in the city since the open door policy, most of the population speak Japanese even though they are Chinese. Why was this successful? Because they signed a sister city agreement to start the foundation bringing that much-needed investment into cities like Dalian. But those cockroaches within the Govt wanted bribes and I wasn't going to entertain them. Now, I can't be bothered to do anything, except trade the financial markets with my own funds and I have been doing it successfully for years.

In regards to why I know so much about Chinese history, culture and politics were because it was a necessity in order to bridge a relationship with Chinese businesses. You have read yourself, how many Chinese members have complimented me on understanding their system. You can't get that from reading a book, you can only achieve it through experience and who you know.
 
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What did I say wrong? Go and check the historical data. China as a country controlled 60% of the world's GDP, this was only toppled when the Mughal controlled much of the Indian subcontinent. Regardless, you have proven what a hypocrite you are, and someone's class always show's when they preach on a principle and do the exact opposite. I don't need to change my flag Mr. hypocrite since the moderator agreed he had no problem with me keeping it. What a shame, I thought you were at least a decent Pakistani. Don't bother quoting me in the future.

Feel free to not talk to me. I don’t really care. Your takfir also doesn’t bother me.

No sleep lost. Assalam alaikum.
 
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Vanishing? So if I go to Xinjiang or Ningxia now I will see no Muslims? How come recently foreign Vlogs show there are so many of them?


The Vloger might be a Chinese propaganda as all of the video contain Chinese material. We dont know who is the vloger him/herself, he/she doesnt show his/her face. The video not conforming anything as it could show old video with 2019 title. But of course I still believe that many Uigyur are still on Xin Jiang street.
 
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Feel free to not talk to me. I don’t really care. Your takfir also doesn’t bother me.

No sleep lost. Assalam alaikum.
Cmon dont overt emotional here guys its a thread here differing opinions is fine but dont get mad if you disagree again not saying who is right here
 
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